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July 10, 2012 4:23:40 PM

Hello, suppose i buy a book after reading it i lend to a friend and people called it "borrowing/lending" and thus is not considered illegal but the same thing with buying original movies/videos games and sharing them with friends is considered illegal. when someone buys something, he/she becomes the owner of the commodity and have the right to do whatever they want with it. Am i right? give me your views/opinions. thanks
July 10, 2012 6:10:04 PM

But those are nothing like PIRACY -- In each of your examples above you are taking the item you purchased and giving (lending) it to someone else and during the time they are using it you do not have access to it and so are not also using it --- with Piracy you are keeping it and still using it while giving copies to others to use (closer example would be taking that book you purchased and printing a few hundred copies to give to your friends which would be considered Illegal just like Piracy is !!)
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July 10, 2012 6:26:50 PM

You can share games all you want, just uninstall them from your machine before you install them on your friends machine and it's not piracy.
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July 10, 2012 7:31:37 PM

OK, i agree with u here. I cannot use the item i purchased at the same lending it to friends. but think about it, the satisfaction from consuming the commodity either by lending or pirating is the same although not at the same time. Consider pirating a game for example, both persons get satisfied at the same time because both of them can use the game at the same time, whereas lending the game first person consumes it then pass it to the second person, but in the end the satisfaction is the same. it's just a matter of time(1st turn mine,2nd turn friend,3rd etc...) That why i see nothing wrong with piracy!!!
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July 10, 2012 8:05:51 PM

If you ran a club or set up a venue for something - would you like it if 1 person bought a ticket and then passed the same ticket out so that everyone came in on one ticket? After all they all get satisfied at the same time - why should they each buy a ticket?
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July 10, 2012 9:33:44 PM

OK, nigelren you got a good point here! but i was inquiring in a consumer point of view not as a producer. and my question is why is it considered a serious crime/illegal because people who pirate stuffs do not at all look like they are criminals. i do not agree that pirating is a crime that is punishable by laws. Besides, usually poor people pirate and the rich buy originals, so you should be happy that the poor people managed to get some premium facilities if they can't afford. I would be sad if for instance i am the only person having food and the rest starving. As a philanthropist, i would say let the poor people pirate if they can, we rich folks mind our own business and go to the retail stores to buy. we can only be happy when everyone is happy irrespective of rich or poor, paid or pirated, etc.. am i right?
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July 11, 2012 12:23:23 AM

ankysh said:
OK, nigelren you got a good point here! but i was inquiring in a consumer point of view not as a producer. and my question is why is it considered a serious crime/illegal because people who pirate stuffs do not at all look like they are criminals. i do not agree that pirating is a crime that is punishable by laws. Besides, usually poor people pirate and the rich buy originals, so you should be happy that the poor people managed to get some premium facilities if they can't afford. I would be sad if for instance i am the only person having food and the rest starving. As a philanthropist, i would say let the poor people pirate if they can, we rich folks mind our own business and go to the retail stores to buy. we can only be happy when everyone is happy irrespective of rich or poor, paid or pirated, etc.. am i right?



Hi :) 

NO you are not right....

Piracy is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE....ITS NOT ABOUT RICH AND POOR its about LEGAL and ILLEGAL...

If it wasnt punished we would have anarchy as why bother punishing anyone for anything....

And when you have anarchy.....EVERYONE GOES HUNGRY....

All the best Brett :) 
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July 11, 2012 6:47:07 AM

ankysh said:
OK, nigelren you got a good point here! but i was inquiring in a consumer point of view not as a producer. and my question is why is it considered a serious crime/illegal because people who pirate stuffs do not at all look like they are criminals. i do not agree that pirating is a crime that is punishable by laws. Besides, usually poor people pirate and the rich buy originals, so you should be happy that the poor people managed to get some premium facilities if they can't afford. I would be sad if for instance i am the only person having food and the rest starving. As a philanthropist, i would say let the poor people pirate if they can, we rich folks mind our own business and go to the retail stores to buy. we can only be happy when everyone is happy irrespective of rich or poor, paid or pirated, etc.. am i right?


I agree with you bro. Most people who pirate stuff are those who can't afford to buy it legally. So these people will NOT buy the game legally even if they cannot get the game illegally.

So when they don't buy irrespective of whether they want it or not...the company is not losing money.

I say piracy is Overrated. Do you agree with me...anyone?? What do you guys think about this??
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July 11, 2012 7:14:12 AM

ankysh said:
and my question is why is it considered a serious crime/illegal because people who pirate stuffs do not at all look like they are criminals.

This makes me laugh - so your saying because people don't wear eye patches , have parrots and talk like a pirate they can't be pirates?!

ankysh said:
Besides, usually poor people pirate and the rich buy originals, so you should be happy that the poor people managed to get some premium facilities if they can't afford.

Does that mean that you can steal things if you can't afford them? OK - I'm off to get myself a new car - after all I am unemployed and wouldn't buy one anyway, so why can't I help myself?

ankysh said:
I would be sad if for instance i am the only person having food and the rest starving. As a philanthropist, i would say let the poor people pirate if they can, we rich folks mind our own business and go to the retail stores to buy. we can only be happy when everyone is happy irrespective of rich or poor, paid or pirated, etc.. am i right?

If people can't eat then others are happy to help, when I was working I donated to charities to help the homeless and childrens charities/ But if I thought I was helping anyone play video games I doubt if I would have thought the same. Also if you have money to help the poor - then do so, I'm sure you can come to agreements with games makers to make the stuff cheaper. But what your saying is that people stop becoming responsible for there actions purely based on their financial situation which is the problem for me.
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July 11, 2012 9:40:42 AM

Basicly gaming is a privilege and not a right, so using the arguement that you cannot afford it is ridiculous after spending <$500 on PC to play it on.

And the arguement compairing it to food is just plain stupid, food and water is a vital requirement for life, compaired to playing a game which is only a plesure bonus.
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July 11, 2012 12:02:12 PM

i agree with you addzy94, that what I'm trying to say.

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I agree with you bro. Most people who pirate stuff are those who can't afford to buy it legally. So these people will NOT buy the game legally even if they cannot get the game illegally.

So when they don't buy irrespective of whether they want it or not...the company is not losing money


In the end of the day it doesn't make any difference to the company/developers. i would say that the international laws are overreacting to piracy where there are more serious issues in the world. Piracy is quite an innocent act!!!
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July 11, 2012 12:18:29 PM

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This makes me laugh - so your saying because people don't wear eye patches , have parrots and talk like a pirate they can't be pirates?!


no, i don't mean only their looks but their behavior is not like criminals, i mean to say to inflict pain,acts of terrorism,etc...!!

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Does that mean that you can steal things if you can't afford them? OK - I'm off to get myself a new car - after all I am unemployed and wouldn't buy one anyway, so why can't I help myself?


i am talking about poor people in countries where they are oppressed by heavy taxes(corrupted government) they become all broke even after buying half powerful rig. they will never buy a $50 game because maybe its half a month expenses for them. That why i am saying it does not make any difference to the company/developers. People like this will maybe buy 1 original $50 game one time only in a lifetime if they can't pirate like addzy94 said!

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July 11, 2012 12:37:09 PM

I don't find anything wrong with piracy, I guess thats because I am a cheap asian!

Jokes aside, I recently stopped pirating I guess you can say. Whenever I pirated a game, I always felt that I wasn't achieving something I wanted, and I could play any game without a consequence.

After a while, I felt pretty bored because I really, played every single game pretty much released in a year. I just downloaded a game, played for a few hours, then just left the game there.

I started purchasing games, maybe a few years ago. I have to say, its a lot harder to make a decision, and you have to think about whether or not you will be playing the game a lot, or just a little. Its a lot better for me now ever since I started purchasing games. I now choose the ones I actually want.

Enough about my rambling, I feel that piracy isn't a huge problem, the officials are really just blowing it up and making it bigger than it really is.
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July 11, 2012 12:54:32 PM

agree with u bro, piracy is not a big problem. They are making mountain out of a molehill!!!
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July 11, 2012 1:06:05 PM

IMO piracy isn't stealing, more like copying and i do my fair share of pirating, but i have principles i would never pirate of a small company such as a small indie game developer, but then you have company's like EA who are taking money left, right and center. and i only pirate games that i would not normally play or purchase, and if i decide i like the game i will buy it, because you will never have the benefits, like multiplayer or updates and support.
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July 11, 2012 1:43:53 PM

I agree that piracy as a problem is blown out of proportion by the lobbyists for rich and hungry capitalists. But with that said, it doesn't justify piracy as a legal affair, it's still breaking the law, it's still illegal practices.
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July 11, 2012 2:50:56 PM

Sorry but this thread now just seems to be filled with idiots now!

With people now claiming that they only do it because of big business and capitalists is just pure moronic, you do realise that people do work in those businesses and their not just big empty evil building with a boss at the top counting their money. Someone mentioned EA, they are not making money left, right and centre but are in fact have a massive debt and have made large redundancies due to a downturn in payment for games.

But putting the redundancies aside, it will also cripple the industry in ways that stop games being released, especially on the PC and use other business models such as pay to play which nobody wants. That same short-sightedness will probably cause those defending piracy to cry about changes and lack of PC games being released.

If you can afford the gaming PC then you can afford to pay for the games, there is no difference between stealing PC parts and the software you install on it.
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July 11, 2012 3:07:31 PM

ohh so im a moron and an idiot, i was hoping that we could have a proper discussion rather than a flame war, i support piracy and think it is a good thing, the first single i ever bought for my self had an option to download it for free. and although i can afford a PC it doesn't mean i have money for games and software, it has taken me about 3 years to afford my PC mainly due to money i inherited, and the is a massive difference between stealing PC parts and the software you install on it.
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July 11, 2012 3:55:26 PM

mercer95 said:
ohh so im a moron and an idiot


Well lets see if you answer this for yourself

mercer95 said:
and the is a massive difference between stealing PC parts and the software you install on it.


No difference realy, someone builds a PC part for you or someone writes software for you either way you are steal from them and surley by your logic about big rich business you should be stealing the PC parts realy as the likes of Intel, Asus, Samsung have been making record profits over the last few years while many game developers have been going out of business/have redundancies.
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July 11, 2012 4:26:25 PM

I find this issue very interesting.
I think at the end of the day most people would be happy if they put time and effort into making something (It matters not what this thing is) that would return them a living wage. Your bills get paid there is food on the table every thing is great.

Now Imagine the first few months go great, however sales drop off bills are not getting paid, money is tight. The reason you find out is that the first person that got hold of your product has copied it and is giving it away for free.

But hey that's OK isn't it that's just piracy.

No ? I didn't think so.


Yes there are many many problems and issues in the world that are far far more important to just about everyone.
The problem is that those with vested interests are those paying for campaign's etc for political party's so they push for rules to stop piracy because they wrongly assume its costing sales, and push to stop rules that make it harder to make money.

That's unfortunately how the world works.

I fully agree that its been blown out of all proportion.
It is however still wrong.

Mactronix :) 


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July 11, 2012 4:43:11 PM

I have "pirated" some games temporarily to try them out if I couldn't find a playable demo, but I would never say that piracy is ok or a good thing. It's stealing, but I feel like it's stealing from me if I pay 50 or 60 bucks for a game that turns out to be a terrible broken POS and then I can't return it, so I'm morally clouded on the issue. I think there is really something wrong with you if you think you are entitled to pirate games just because you can't afford them and wouldn't buy them anyways though. That shows a lack of basic respect for other peoples work and property.
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July 11, 2012 5:46:49 PM

In truth I'm surprised this thread isn't locked yet -- would point out to everyone posting that supporting Piracy or admitting to doing it - is a bannable offense on this forum so just mentioning the fact that you have done it or support it is enough to get your account banned so be careful in your wording of posts !!
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July 11, 2012 5:50:38 PM

JDFan said:
In truth I'm surprised this thread isn't locked yet -- would point out to everyone posting that supporting Piracy or admitting to doing it - is a bannable offense on this forum so just mentioning the fact that you have done it or support it is enough to get your account banned so be careful in your wording of posts !!

Well said and anyone who wants to continue advocating piracy should take note that from now on the banhammer is out and awaiting deployment.
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July 11, 2012 6:23:04 PM

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July 11, 2012 6:59:13 PM

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