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Anonymous
October 28, 2004 6:55:02 PM

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I work for a small academic library. We have 28 student workstations running
Windows 2000 and 5 staff workstations running XP. All the student
workstations are set up to print on one of two HP LaserJet printers, and the
staff workstations may print to either one of those or to an office printer.

The situation is that we are in the process of adding vending software to
the student computers but that won't be available until at least next
semester. We want to set up some kind of interim control over the printers so
that we may pause/unpause document printing for jobs going to the two student
printers.

As I understand it, we need to set up permissions for each of the staff
computers to allow us to control the print manager for the other
workstations. However, when I try to follow the instructions for doing this,
there is no "Security" tab in the Properties box for the printers.

Is this an issue for our IT guy, or is there another way to go about this?

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Anonymous
October 28, 2004 8:04:16 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax (More info?)

If the printers are set up as "Local Printers" on all of the workstations,
there's not much you can do because there is no central point to manage.

If the printers are set up as "Network Printers", then you can manage the
print queue ("printer") on whatever computer "hosts" the printer.

When you say Windows XP, do you mean XP Home or XP Professional? XP Home
has very simplistic security and administration which may be why you don't
see the Security tab.

A bit more information about the printer/computer configuration would be
useful. If the printers are "Network Printers", what OS is running on the
computer that has the printer(s) installed as "Local Printers" and is
sharing them for the workstations to use?

Are any of the workstations "Members" of a Windows Domain (XP Home can not
be a domain member, but can use Domain resources - e.g. printers).


--
Bruce Sanderson MVP

It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.


"mpiper" <mpiper@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CE09CDB0-E88A-4688-9EDD-8E76639FB8CA@microsoft.com...
>I work for a small academic library. We have 28 student workstations
>running
> Windows 2000 and 5 staff workstations running XP. All the student
> workstations are set up to print on one of two HP LaserJet printers, and
> the
> staff workstations may print to either one of those or to an office
> printer.
>
> The situation is that we are in the process of adding vending software to
> the student computers but that won't be available until at least next
> semester. We want to set up some kind of interim control over the printers
> so
> that we may pause/unpause document printing for jobs going to the two
> student
> printers.
>
> As I understand it, we need to set up permissions for each of the staff
> computers to allow us to control the print manager for the other
> workstations. However, when I try to follow the instructions for doing
> this,
> there is no "Security" tab in the Properties box for the printers.
>
> Is this an issue for our IT guy, or is there another way to go about this?
Anonymous
October 28, 2004 8:53:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax (More info?)

Unfortunately, they ARE set up as local printers. I would guess then that we
would need to set up a network then in order to do this?

A further question is that the only accounts in the library that have the
necessary permissions to create a network belong to myself and two other
librarians. The workstation we would need to use to control the print manager
is used by all staff and so has an account with very few privileges that is
used on it. Would we be able to set up a network using a different account
(i.e., mine) and then grant the needed permissions to the other account in
order to allow it to control the print manager?

(does any of that make any sense??)

The staff machines are all running XP Professional.

Thanks
Michael



"Bruce Sanderson" wrote:

> If the printers are set up as "Local Printers" on all of the workstations,
> there's not much you can do because there is no central point to manage.
>
> If the printers are set up as "Network Printers", then you can manage the
> print queue ("printer") on whatever computer "hosts" the printer.
>
> When you say Windows XP, do you mean XP Home or XP Professional? XP Home
> has very simplistic security and administration which may be why you don't
> see the Security tab.
>
> A bit more information about the printer/computer configuration would be
> useful. If the printers are "Network Printers", what OS is running on the
> computer that has the printer(s) installed as "Local Printers" and is
> sharing them for the workstations to use?
>
> Are any of the workstations "Members" of a Windows Domain (XP Home can not
> be a domain member, but can use Domain resources - e.g. printers).
>
>
> --
> Bruce Sanderson MVP
>
> It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.
>
>
> "mpiper" <mpiper@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CE09CDB0-E88A-4688-9EDD-8E76639FB8CA@microsoft.com...
> >I work for a small academic library. We have 28 student workstations
> >running
> > Windows 2000 and 5 staff workstations running XP. All the student
> > workstations are set up to print on one of two HP LaserJet printers, and
> > the
> > staff workstations may print to either one of those or to an office
> > printer.
> >
> > The situation is that we are in the process of adding vending software to
> > the student computers but that won't be available until at least next
> > semester. We want to set up some kind of interim control over the printers
> > so
> > that we may pause/unpause document printing for jobs going to the two
> > student
> > printers.
> >
> > As I understand it, we need to set up permissions for each of the staff
> > computers to allow us to control the print manager for the other
> > workstations. However, when I try to follow the instructions for doing
> > this,
> > there is no "Security" tab in the Properties box for the printers.
> >
> > Is this an issue for our IT guy, or is there another way to go about this?
>
>
>
Anonymous
November 3, 2004 1:46:04 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax (More info?)

Perhaps we have a terminological confusion that is interfering with
communication and understanding. See
http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/Glossary.htm for some definition of terms
that might help with communication, particularly "Printer" and "Printer
Port".

You mention something called "print manager". Neither Windows 2000 nor
Windows XP have a tool called that, so what do you mean by "print manager"?

Each computer manages/controls the printers that are Local to it, for
example, via the Printers and Faxes folder (on XP, Start, Printers and
Faxes).

You also talk about "creating a network". Well, if you have two printers
and some 30 odd computers can print to them, you already have a network.

On the workstations open the Printers (Windows 2000) or the Printers and
Faxes folder (Windows XP) - (NOT the properties of a printer, but the folder
that has all the printers listed in it):

1. in the Printers (and Faxes) folder, is the printer name something like
"PrinterName on ServerName" - if so, the printer is almost certainly a
"Network Printer" not a "Local Printer"
2. with the Printers (and Faxes) folder open, click File, Server Properties
and select the Ports tab
is there a entry that actually has one of the printers associated with
it?
a. If no, then most likely the printer is a Network Printer
b. If yes, what does it say under "Description" for the port that has the
printer associated with it?

Now, to be able to centrally manage the printers, they must be Local
Printers on exactly one computer and Network Printers on all the others.
However, if all of your computers are Windows 2000 Professional or Windows
XP, you have a problem because neither of these systems will allow more than
10 concurrent connections. With over 30 computers wanting to connect to a
"shared" (network) printer, that won't work. You would need to have Windows
2000 or Windows 2003 server on a computer to be able to support over 30
client computers.

In Windows 2000 and XP, permissions, rights and privileges are assigned to
"users" not to "computers".

On the Windows XP Professional computers:
1. open Windows Explorer
2. click Tools, Folder Options
3. select the View tab
4. scroll to the bottom of the list in Advanced Settings
5. click "Use simple file sharing (Recommended)" to remove the check mark
6. click OK

Now there should be a Security tab in a printer's Properties. However, the
Security settings only affect the computer on which the printer is "Local".
If the printers really are defined as "Local Printers" (e.g. on Standard
TCP/IP ports on every workstation), there is no way to centrally manage
them, network or not.

Are these computers members of a Windows Domain? To find the answer to this
question:
1. right click on My Computer and select Properties
2. select the Computer Name tab
3. click Change
4. if the Domain radio button is selected, the computer is a member of a
domain; if the Workgroup radio button is selected, the computer is NOT a
member of a domain

Perhaps you should consult your "IT guy" to understand a bit more about your
infrastructure there.

--
Bruce Sanderson MVP

It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.


"mpiper" <mpiper@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:79FB5D8F-E99B-4051-B8EE-81BD1754DC32@microsoft.com...
> Unfortunately, they ARE set up as local printers. I would guess then that
> we
> would need to set up a network then in order to do this?
>
> A further question is that the only accounts in the library that have the
> necessary permissions to create a network belong to myself and two other
> librarians. The workstation we would need to use to control the print
> manager
> is used by all staff and so has an account with very few privileges that
> is
> used on it. Would we be able to set up a network using a different account
> (i.e., mine) and then grant the needed permissions to the other account in
> order to allow it to control the print manager?
>
> (does any of that make any sense??)
>
> The staff machines are all running XP Professional.
>
> Thanks
> Michael
>
>
>
> "Bruce Sanderson" wrote:
>
>> If the printers are set up as "Local Printers" on all of the
>> workstations,
>> there's not much you can do because there is no central point to manage.
>>
>> If the printers are set up as "Network Printers", then you can manage the
>> print queue ("printer") on whatever computer "hosts" the printer.
>>
>> When you say Windows XP, do you mean XP Home or XP Professional? XP Home
>> has very simplistic security and administration which may be why you
>> don't
>> see the Security tab.
>>
>> A bit more information about the printer/computer configuration would be
>> useful. If the printers are "Network Printers", what OS is running on
>> the
>> computer that has the printer(s) installed as "Local Printers" and is
>> sharing them for the workstations to use?
>>
>> Are any of the workstations "Members" of a Windows Domain (XP Home can
>> not
>> be a domain member, but can use Domain resources - e.g. printers).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Sanderson MVP
>>
>> It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.
>>
>>
>> "mpiper" <mpiper@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CE09CDB0-E88A-4688-9EDD-8E76639FB8CA@microsoft.com...
>> >I work for a small academic library. We have 28 student workstations
>> >running
>> > Windows 2000 and 5 staff workstations running XP. All the student
>> > workstations are set up to print on one of two HP LaserJet printers,
>> > and
>> > the
>> > staff workstations may print to either one of those or to an office
>> > printer.
>> >
>> > The situation is that we are in the process of adding vending software
>> > to
>> > the student computers but that won't be available until at least next
>> > semester. We want to set up some kind of interim control over the
>> > printers
>> > so
>> > that we may pause/unpause document printing for jobs going to the two
>> > student
>> > printers.
>> >
>> > As I understand it, we need to set up permissions for each of the staff
>> > computers to allow us to control the print manager for the other
>> > workstations. However, when I try to follow the instructions for doing
>> > this,
>> > there is no "Security" tab in the Properties box for the printers.
>> >
>> > Is this an issue for our IT guy, or is there another way to go about
>> > this?
>>
>>
>>
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