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December 27, 2011 3:13:01 AM

Hello,
Do you think it would be foolish to go from PC to apple system. I have never owned an Apple laptop but want to upgrade. I am going to be studying so will need to be able to do word processing etc. Am i making ti hard for myself coverting to apple system? Can i still have Windows Word etc excel?

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December 27, 2011 4:40:04 AM

you can get a much better pc for the same price as an apple cuz macbooks are way overpriced. you should stick with PCs. if you are only doing word processing and other simple tasks, you can buy a decent pc for half the price of a macbook.
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December 27, 2011 4:55:54 AM

yes you can still install windows, word, excel etc on a mac. But then that defies the point of getting a mac. People only get macs to use software particular to a MAC. If your just using excel, word etc, then there is no point getting a MAC, your just wasting money. Some people get a MAC because they think they are better somehow, but theyre not, theyre just more expensive and more limited by MAC OS. They are less secure and just as/more prone to viruses, despite what moronic salespeople will tell you, I have had my fair share of experience with this. Macs are only for people in the graphic arts industry/music industry due to the software available, and even then similar alternatives exist for windows PC's too. So basically, unless there is some software that you MUST have a mac to use, that you want to use, then stay away from macs and save your money.
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December 27, 2011 5:25:06 AM

Why change the way familar way you operate for something that doesn't exactly yield benefit? If Windows gets everything you want done why change?

Personally I use applications that can be run on Windows, Mac and Linux. I'm not tied or compelled to use any one more. Just the cheapest one ;) .
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December 27, 2011 8:15:08 PM

amdfangirl said:
Why change the way familiar way you operate for something that doesn't exactly yield benefit? If Windows gets everything you want done why change?

Personally I use applications that can be run on Windows, Mac and Linux. I'm not tied or compelled to use any one more. Just the cheapest one ;) .


+1. "If Windows gets everything you want done why change?" - that is the first question I ask everyone who wants to get Linux or Mac OS in my town. Answers differ in content - "viruses" (as if!), "I hate Bill Gates" (rofl), "Mac is so much better" (iFlame), "Ubuntu is free" (so was pre-installed Win7 that came with your laptop), "I want to learn/experience new things!" (go read about Windows Registry, then) - but are all equally stupid. Windows gets the job done for 95% of the users, period. They don't need a PXE boot/install server in a VM or an exclusive application available only on Mac OS such as Final Cut Pro or whatever is the software that Mac fanboys consider great and unique. They just want to "check their mail and Facebook, watch movies, do Office". Well, rejoice, since if you're only going to do these things, you will NEVER get a virus and Windows provides you with all the tools for these tasks, and if you're not happy with the default tools, there're free open-source or closed-source alternatives.

So stay away from Mac unless you've got a REAL reason to buy one (developing for iOS, for example). Value your money.
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December 27, 2011 8:27:59 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
yes you can still install windows, word, excel etc on a mac.


I know I'm cherry picking this quote here... but I think it's hilarious... I bet you that microsoft makes more money off macs sales than they do off generic PC sales... every single person I know who has a mac uses either parallels or boot camp and runs WINDOWS!!! lol.... and they pay for full retail copy of windows... while people who use PCs get OEM copies at a significant discount... cracks me up everytime I hear about someone "gaming" on their mac.... : :pt1cable: 
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December 27, 2011 11:30:37 PM

amk-aka-Phantom said:
+1. "If Windows gets everything you want done why change?" - that is the first question I ask everyone who wants to get Linux or Mac OS in my town. Answers differ in content - "viruses" (as if!), "I hate Bill Gates" (rofl), "Mac is so much better" (iFlame), "Ubuntu is free" (so was pre-installed Win7 that came with your laptop), "I want to learn/experience new things!" (go read about Windows Registry, then) - but are all equally stupid. Windows gets the job done for 95% of the users, period. They don't need a PXE boot/install server in a VM or an exclusive application available only on Mac OS such as Final Cut Pro or whatever is the software that Mac fanboys consider great and unique. They just want to "check their mail and Facebook, watch movies, do Office". Well, rejoice, since if you're only going to do these things, you will NEVER get a virus and Windows provides you with all the tools for these tasks, and if you're not happy with the default tools, there're free open-source or closed-source alternatives.

So stay away from Mac unless you've got a REAL reason to buy one (developing for iOS, for example). Value your money.


There are real reasons such as familiarity of interface/OS exclusive applications. But it is hard to fit OS specfic feature that no other OS has and basic function cannot be duplicated.

I use Linux because I idle at 124MiB RAM usage ;) .
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December 28, 2011 1:45:36 AM

amdfangirl said:
There are real reasons such as familiarity of interface/OS exclusive applications. But it is hard to fit OS specific feature that no other OS has and basic function cannot be duplicated.

I use Linux because I idle at 124MiB RAM usage ;) .


According to your signature, RAM shouldn't be an issues for you...

I tried both Mint and Ubuntu 11.04 on my netbook, and both took quite a bit of resources. In fact, Windows XP is way faster than either of them (dual boot on an Eee PC 900 - barely any space, lol), especially on boot. XP boot = 15-25 seconds; Linux boot = 1 minute minimum, 30 seconds to fully log in.

Mint pissed me off due to its extremely screwed up repositories - removed OpenSSH server, couldn't get it back because default repositories don't even have it, had to add Debian ones... I liked the look a lot, but since I couldn't work (and neither could the touchpad clicks, for some reason), I reverted to 11.04 and don't regret it. I customized pretty much everything to make sure that ugly purple doesn't pop up anywhere... :) 

But that's me. I have a PXE install server at work (which makes any installation really damn fast!) and I know what I'm doing; average user has no time at all to mess with these things. There's a difference between customizing your Windows to suit your needs and trying out different distros to see which one suits you better.

As for OS-specific function, even that stupid Mac dock exists for both Windows and Linux... I do not understand why people prefer it to traditional taskbar, it's an abysmal experience - not being able to see what you have open, but it exists.
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December 28, 2011 2:11:38 AM

I prefer LXDE because I need the lightweight speed. I find I have trouble finding a Windows XP license this day and age. Also, you dual-booted and I'm assuming you used Mint4Win/ whatever the Ubuntu one is called.

The Windows 7 they force onto my s10e runs like a hog. Whoever thought it was a good idea to give my s10e Windows 7 and Adobe CS5.5 then a ton of tracking software that reinstalls itself if you change the OS (except for Linux).
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December 28, 2011 3:21:16 AM

amdfangirl said:
I prefer LXDE because I need the lightweight speed. I find I have trouble finding a Windows XP license this day and age. Also, you dual-booted and I'm assuming you used Mint4Win/ whatever the Ubuntu one is called.

The Windows 7 they force onto my s10e runs like a hog. Whoever thought it was a good idea to give my s10e Windows 7 and Adobe CS5.5 then a ton of tracking software that reinstalls itself if you change the OS (except for Linux).


I used Mint Rolling, it has LXDE and it's not anymore lightweight than, say, Gnome. Want lightweight, use XFCE - that's what I set for the diskless clients by default :) 

I had WinXP pre-installed on my EeePC and it's the only XP computer I have left. I would use Win7 there, but 900 MHz isn't powerful enough, I think.

Apparently, your Win7 is overloaded with a ton of bloatware... I understand that this thing has an Atom and Atoms are horrible, but it should still run a bit better. Actually, I'm not so sure - I know your s10e is locked down by your mean government, but can you at least boot form a LiveUSB? :)  Check the speed in a non-bloated OS.
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December 28, 2011 7:10:56 AM

brialona said:
you can get a much better pc for the same price as an apple cuz macbooks are way overpriced. you should stick with PCs. if you are only doing word processing and other simple tasks, you can buy a decent pc for half the price of a macbook.
You get what you pay for in life remember that.
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December 28, 2011 7:25:10 AM

musical marv said:
You get what you pay for in life remember that.


With two exceptions: pirated software and Apple products :) 

Tell me this: my friend got his G73Jh for $1500 and believes that he got what he paid for. What are you getting with a $1500 Mac, though? :lol:  Not restarting that argument, since the comparisons are all over Tom's, but I request that you quit ignoring the obvious; it doesn't suit your age.

I like the resolution on the iPod Touch, though, the fonts are really nice. I was comparing it to the Galaxy Mini that I'm test-driving right now, and of course, the Touch was far superior. Controls are a pain in the ass, though... When compared to SGS2, the fonts were the same. Certain things about Apple are really nice, but you can get them elsewhere.
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December 28, 2011 2:26:11 PM



It's nice, and very unusual, to see that posters in this thread have stuck to the facts and not been taken over by zealots and believers on either side. I use XP and will continue to do so 'til the mast minute, I have PCLinuxOS on a laptop, Windows 8 in Beta on another, an ancient Suse 9 on my server and a Mac Powerbook that came in for a repair which was never paid for, so I kept it.

All the above work well enough in themselves but I would never have paid for the old Powerbook while Windows laptops are under £350.

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December 28, 2011 2:27:22 PM

musical marv said:
You get what you pay for in life remember that.


You do get what you pay for. The apple brand is what you get for your hard earned cash.

It's like Kardashian clothes. Made in the same sweatshops, but with good marketing.
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December 28, 2011 4:11:17 PM

Stick with PC, get a ultrabook is macbook looks is what appeals to you.
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December 29, 2011 11:05:52 AM

amdfangirl said:
You do get what you pay for. The apple brand is what you get for your hard earned cash.

It's like Kardashian clothes. Made in the same sweatshops, but with good marketing.
So is Nike and Adidas made with child labor.Buy Made In The U.S.A.
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December 29, 2011 12:13:06 PM

I think amdfangirl would rather buy made in Australia.

By the way, I also want to buy made in America product (Well, I don't want to buy all things American, but I have a vintage Sheaffer fountain pen and I broke it. I was hoping to buy a new one to replace it since the work table looks rather plain without one for decoration. Guess what?! No longer made in USA). Looks like you can only buy weapons made in USA now days, with all the F-35 purchase.

@nellien

I suggest you to make sure the software you are using now have OSX version before changing to Mac, especially work program (I can confirm your chance for OSX support of scientific software is slim), so make sure the software you need to complete your study can run on OSX.

About getting used to OSX, if you use it long enough, you will get used to it.

Sure you can run Window on Mac hardware or make a hackintosh, but if you only need one or the other, why pay more or go through all of the effort to make a hackintosh (I take it you are the type of computer user who prefers easy and budget smart computing).
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December 29, 2011 12:36:02 PM

To the OP, it heavily depends on your usage and money, of course. Also, the answer is very obvious for which is the most bang for the buck. ;) 
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December 29, 2011 12:38:14 PM

amdfangirl said:
You do get what you pay for. The apple brand is what you get for your hard earned cash.

It's like Kardashian clothes. Made in the same sweatshops, but with good marketing.

+1
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December 29, 2011 3:09:07 PM

Pyree said:
I think amdfangirl would rather buy made in Australia.

By the way, I also want to buy made in America product (Well, I don't want to buy all things American, but I have a vintage Sheaffer fountain pen and I broke it. I was hoping to buy a new one to replace it since the work table looks rather plain without one for decoration. Guess what?! No longer made in USA). Looks like you can only buy weapons made in USA now days, with all the F-35 purchase.



Sure you can run Window on Mac hardware or make a hackintosh, but if you only need one or the other, why pay more or go through all of the effort to make a hackintosh (I take it you are the type of computer user who prefers easy and budget smart computing).

I would rather not buy Made in Australia for anything except fresh produce (more strict food safety laws). When the Bonds underwear factory closed it was an example of how globalisation was streamlining the way we buy products. We couldn't compete with overseas underwear companies on quality or price. It wasn't like Bonds Australia had some miracolous technology to make super underwear.

Why buy Australian made? It gave me little benefit and was subsidised by our government. The price carried a massive premium.

I would idealy like to see Australia move onto a service/information based economy. Why earn money as a underwear maker when you can be a doctor, computer server technician or teacher? I can replace a person working on an assembly line. All they do is the same action a million times. There is no requirement for a PhD. or even high school education. It's not valuable. You can easily be replaced by anyone and everyone. That's why manufacuring makes no sense for Australians.

Pyree said:
I suggest you to make sure the software you are using now have OSX version before changing to Mac, especially work program (I can confirm your chance for OSX support of scientific software is slim), so make sure the software you need to complete your study can run on OSX.

About getting used to OSX, if you use it long enough, you will get used to it.


CERN and Fermilabs make a distribution of Linux called 'Scientific Linux'. It is more prevailent to find scientific applications for Linux and Macs than for Windows. 'Scientific Linux' has many CERN and Fermilabs applications that you can install at your will.

NASA: http://fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov/ssc/data/analysis/software/
CERN/FERMI: http://www.scientificlinux.org/
So yes, Mac OS X/Scientific Linux if you like NASA and Scientific Linux in general.

(Mind you Scientific Linux is free). In an effort to reduce costs, most scientific applications are being ported to Scientific Linux.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080117021610/http://www.na...

An article from 2007 showing them changing to RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) it was what their super computers used at the time, since then they have reverse-engineered RHEL (Scientific Linux).

http://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/genera...
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December 29, 2011 3:58:45 PM

I would not buy an Apple PC in order to run Windows and/or primarily Windows stuff. And I would not want to buy an Apple PC because of the learning curve to get up to speed with using the different OS.

If you want the fancier and prettier hardware, if the cost is not that important to you, if you don't mind taking the time to learn how to use it, if it will do what you want to do, the choice is yours. There are a lot of pros and cons to weigh and only you can make the decision for you. Most people would admit that it is not cost effective. If you do research on the net you find that Apple hardware is not as reliable or foolproof as people want you to believe.

I currently own and use 2 Windows desktop computers, 2 Windows laptop computers, 1 Mac desktop computer, 1 iphone, 1 ipad. IMO a Windows computer is easier to use and more flexible than an Apple computer, and at least the ones that I own are all about equal in reliability.
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December 29, 2011 8:13:23 PM

I disagree. A country should always have a portion of its industry remain. It is a strategic asset. What we need the most is not industry that sales mass volume of product to earn money, but high tech industry. Weapon is one of them, so is auto mobile, scientific instruments, drugs, robotics and industrial machines, spacecraft, etc. I know the manufacturing of these product require highly qualified workers so not everyone can work as a skilled labourer there. However, it diversify the skills of workers within a country. Then the country should also have some industry that sells mass volume (although the country can't compete). Even for low tech industry, not everyone will be stuck as a labourer forever. Some portion of the worker can become management staff. A workplace is not only a place for productivity, but also for training and for discovering people with potential.

Also, how many Ph.D, doctor and teacher do you need? And not everyone can be one of them. Then what happen to the rest of the population? Do we just put them on social benefit? What would be the socio-economic consequences? Furthermore, if the entire population is working on such job, the wage will be low and the people will migrate to another country to find jobs anyway- we loose skilled people that Australia spend time and money to train.


The program I installed to control instruments like microscopes, laser profiler, and various sensors and statistic analysis and modelling/model projection program only have software and driver supported in Window and to some extent Linux (where I am, it is all Window based for convenient). It is a safer bet to go for a non Mac hardware for undergrad. If you are in other level of study (honour and above) you share resource with the people you work with and you can ask your supervise for a Mac if you need one, so it is not a problem to not have a Mac anyway.
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December 29, 2011 9:36:37 PM

I couldn't resist this thread....

I am not an Apple "Fanboy", but you have to at least respect what they have accomplished.

For me, the question gets down to whether or not you "buy" into the Apple ecosystem. From iPOD, to iPhone, to Computer (laptop or desktop), to iPad - all of their products work together seamlessly (loosely tied together by iTunes). This should be expected of a closed, proprietary hardware / software environment, and they pull it off quite well.

The true cost of Apple is not just the initial cost of the system, but the upgrade costs as well. From 2001 until now, Apple has released 7 OS upgrades from Puma all the way to Lion. Each of these upgrades costing money, and in addition, older systems using PowerPC chips can't upgrade beyond Leopard since Apple went to Intel chips at that time. Windows, on the other hand, in the same time frame has only had 2 OS upgrades requiring a purchase (XP-Vista-Win 7). This discussion is solely related to PC's and not servers.

I understand that all of the things done on an Apple system can be done on non-Apple based systems, but not always with the same ease of use especially when it comes to cross device functionality (networking, streaming video, etc.). For example, when Apple releases a new version of iOS, all phones get it, as opposed to the extremely fragmented world of Android devices.

Let's face it, Windows systems are much cheaper, but they require regular maintenance to function (just look at your registry), whereas Apple just assumes you will throw out the hardware and buy new when you want to upgrade (-:

(Still building PC's and loving it!!)

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December 29, 2011 10:49:01 PM

Pyree said:
I disagree. A country should always have a portion of its industry remain. It is a strategic asset. What we need the most is not industry that sales mass volume of product to earn money, but high tech industry. Weapon is one of them, so is auto mobile, scientific instruments, drugs, robotics and industrial machines, spacecraft, etc. I know the manufacturing of these product require highly qualified workers so not everyone can work as a skilled labourer there. However, it diversify the skills of workers within a country. Then the country should also have some industry that sells mass volume (although the country can't compete). Even for low tech industry, not everyone will be stuck as a labourer forever. Some portion of the worker can become management staff. A workplace is not only a place for productivity, but also for training and for discovering people with potential.

Also, how many Ph.D, doctor and teacher do you need? And not everyone can be one of them. Then what happen to the rest of the population? Do we just put them on social benefit? What would be the socio-economic consequences? Furthermore, if the entire population is working on such job, the wage will be low and the people will migrate to another country to find jobs anyway- we loose skilled people that Australia spend time and money to train.


I'm saying that we should be transitioning to a services-based economy (tertiary+ economy) where value-adding production (secondary) and resource extraction (primary) are not the basis of the economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-sector_hypothesis

So people advance in terms of living standards.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/30277/icts-industry-and-t...

Now I just need to stop correcting everyone every single time... :)  Let's continue with the topic.

Pyree said:

The program I installed to control instruments like microscopes, laser profiler, and various sensors and statistic analysis and modelling/model projection program only have software and driver supported in Window and to some extent Linux (where I am, it is all Window based for convenient). It is a safer bet to go for a non Mac hardware for undergrad. If you are in other level of study (honour and above) you share resource with the people you work with and you can ask your supervise for a Mac if you need one, so it is not a problem to not have a Mac anyway.


Most universities will provide computers. I think the OP will be fine not buying one until he knows what they want him to buy.
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December 30, 2011 12:39:22 AM

acerace said:
To the OP, it heavily depends on your usage and money, of course. Also, the answer is very obvious for which is the most bang for the buck. ;) 
The OS in Mac is not very hard to learn at all.
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December 30, 2011 12:42:13 AM

jessterman21 said:
+1
It is pathetic using these sweatshops also incidentally in the U.S. for making these products for mainly for the rich to buy and soak off not caring about these people at all.
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December 30, 2011 1:16:25 AM

Her first comment was impeccably true. The second, about the sweatshops, was just clever. Deserves a +1 in my book.
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January 2, 2012 2:11:42 AM

amdfangirl said:
I'm saying that we should be transitioning to a services-based economy (tertiary+ economy) where value-adding production (secondary) and resource extraction (primary) are not the basis of the economy.


Don't even need to read further. + infinity. :) 
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January 2, 2012 3:26:44 AM

amdfangirl said:
I'm saying that we should be transitioning to a services-based economy (tertiary+ economy) where value-adding production (secondary) and resource extraction (primary) are not the basis of the economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-sector_hypothesis

So people advance in terms of living standards.

I have never fully agreed with the idea that move to a mostly service economy is a good idea. After all, restaurant employees are "service" workers.

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January 3, 2012 12:32:44 AM

jsc said:
I have never fully agreed with the idea that movely to a mostly service economy is a good idea. After all, restaurant employees are "service" workers.
Do you know SF has the highest paid starting salary in the country at $10.25 per hour.Other states should start to do the same and cities.
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January 3, 2012 12:48:21 AM

To the OP:

Since all I do is heavy word processing (average about 1,000 words a day), I would never go to Apple. Mainly because a $400 HP will do it about the same as a $1,000 Mac. So, why pay more for a flashy UNIX OS when they both will end up running Word anyway, and do the job the same?
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January 3, 2012 1:40:28 AM

My 20 year old son uses both ..... from a capital investment or enthusiast standpoint, the PC is hard to beat. However from a cost of ownership standpoint, the Apple's pretty much stand alone ****if**** "time is money" applies. It almost always works, and if it doesn't work they replace it. He built a PC ($2500k build w/ IPS Monitor for his Photo Editing) ,but since he picked up the MacBook Pro, he does all his schoolwork on the Mac.

My son has reinstalled Windows on his 22 month old box 4 times to date ..... we endured 20 separate tech support calls and 5 RMA's with EVGA over a GFX card that wouldn't run advertised factory OC speeds. If you have ever spent time on the phone with Tech Support cause ya PC don't work, ya have experienced the "blame the other guy" dance .... the MoBo guy blames the GFX guy and the GFX guy blames the PSU guy and the wheel goes round and round. If ya time is worth even $10 an hour, over a 3 year ownership period, with all the PC tweaking, drivers hassles, etc....... the Apple price premium can easily disappear. Of course, if your time has no monetary value, then that advantage disappears.

For me, as an AutoCAD user, I'm chained to the PC ..... then again, I don't really mind personally as I enjoy the tinkering....but for those who don't, I can't dismiss the fact that nuisance free computer ownership is attractive to a lot of people and I don't fell the need to denigrate them for that choice.
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January 3, 2012 1:42:07 AM

And I spent a whole day trying to convince Apple I had extended warranty.
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January 4, 2012 8:02:47 PM

If you want to switch to Mac just to do the same things you did well with a PC then it probably means you have been listening to too much Apple propaganda. It's understandable if you want to do something on a Mac that you normally cannot do with a PC like development for Apple exclusive products but the basic word processing doesn't need a thousand dollar machine when there are cheaper alternatives.

Every OS has it's own niche in the market, and while Windows and OS X share some of those niches, I personally think Windows does better at the basics of those niches.
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January 7, 2012 11:29:39 PM

Unless you're developing for Apple, you don't need a Mac anything. The only difference between a Mac and Windows computer is the OS... Apple uses the exact same hardware everyone else does... so really there is nothing special about them. Of course, there are a lot of people out there that will find the need to justify the exorbitant amount of money they paid for their Mac by telling you how "superior" it is to Windows.

If viruses are that big of a concern to you, then you're visiting the wrong types of sites or getting way too loose in your downloading / attachment opening habits. I never get viruses on my three Windows machines because I know not to click "Yes" on every damn prompt that pops up. If you can't be bothered to read what you're agreeing to, you deserve every bit of malware you get.
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January 10, 2012 2:58:36 AM

Zoron said:
Unless you're developing for Apple, you don't need a Mac anything. The only difference between a Mac and Windows computer is the OS... Apple uses the exact same hardware everyone else does... so really there is nothing special about them. Of course, there are a lot of people out there that will find the need to justify the exorbitant amount of money they paid for their Mac by telling you how "superior" it is to Windows.

If viruses are that big of a concern to you, then you're visiting the wrong types of sites or getting way too loose in your downloading / attachment opening habits. I never get viruses on my three Windows machines because I know not to click "Yes" on every damn prompt that pops up. If you can't be bothered to read what you're agreeing to, you deserve every bit of malware you get.
Curious why you always on the Apple site if you hate the product so much?
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January 10, 2012 11:58:24 AM

i think it's mac's quintessential goal to be snobbish. it's part of their marketing ploy. several time, my friends brought their macs for repair and they were turned away. they don't like old macs hanging around.

but they still stick with mac
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January 11, 2012 1:21:15 AM

megtyler said:
i think it's mac's quintessential goal to be snobbish. it's part of their marketing ploy. several time, my friends brought their macs for repair and they were turned away. they don't like old macs hanging around.

but they still stick with mac
It depends where you live this would happen.Mac owners are not snobbish or there stores.
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January 11, 2012 8:00:43 AM

If anything noobish Linux users are the snobbiest... trying to gain moral high ground with FOSS, then installing Adobe Flash player.

Oh wait, that's me :p 
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January 12, 2012 1:28:17 AM

amdfangirl said:
If anything noobish Linux users are the snobbiest... trying to gain moral high ground with FOSS, then installing Adobe Flash player.

Oh wait, that's me :p 
What OS do you really use in your mac? thanks
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January 12, 2012 2:37:35 AM

I used to have Mac OS X Snow Leopard, sold the computer, financial problems. The computers I use are gov't/school and work issue.

I remember back then, the Macbook was the ironically the cheapest 13" laptop that had 6 hours battery life. Mac OS X works great on Macs, never got the same amount of battery life on Windows and back then Linux was plain incompatible.

Seriously, who uses anything else on a Mac? :p 

2008




There's my Macbook 2,1 with my shared desktop. Macbook ran OS X 10.4 and desktop ran Windows XP/Fedora. Notice that the desktop uses an Apple keyboard... I did and still love those.

I also had a Mac Pro G3 with the preddy case and single-click only mouse and an Apple II (of some sort) back in the day.
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January 13, 2012 12:44:44 AM

amdfangirl said:
I used to have Mac OS X Snow Leopard, sold the computer, financial problems. The computers I use are gov't/school and work issue.

I remember back then, the Macbook was the ironically the cheapest 13" laptop that had 6 hours battery life. Mac OS X works great on Macs, never got the same amount of battery life on Windows and back then Linux was plain incompatible.

Seriously, who uses anything else on a Mac? :p 

2008
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3130/2417942437_f2115d3d27.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2332/2487784328_b023c1dcb2.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3281/2480694956_d0728daba8_b.jpg

There's my Macbook 2,1 with my shared desktop. Macbook ran OS X 10.4 and desktop ran Windows XP/Fedora. Notice that the desktop uses an Apple keyboard... I did and still love those.

I also had a Mac Pro G3 with the preddy case and single-click only mouse and an Apple II (of some sort) back in the day.
Thanks for uploading the pictures of your gear. Impressive indeed.
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January 14, 2012 6:22:04 PM

The answer is simple, Marv... I just love pissing people like you off. People that need to spend twice the amount of money on a computer than they actually have to and then crow about how superior their choice is... when in reality it isn't. If Macs really were worth their price, I'd have no problem with them... but this "Apple tax" is ridiculous.

Hardware-wise there is absolutely nothing to set them apart... same motherboards, processors and RAM found in much cheaper Windows-based PCs; even manufactured by the same manufacturers. If you're going to tell me that slapping an Apple logo on an Intel motherboard magically makes it worth twice the price or that it costs that much, I'm going to tell you to quit blowing smoke up my ass.

Software-wise, MacOS is pretty... I'll give it that. It works well and isn't currently targeted by malware authors nearly as much as Windows. The trade-off, of course, is that there are a lot more apps available on the Windows side of things. Of course, you'll try to brag about how your Mac PC can run Windows (it better, it is a Wintel machine at it's core), but then what is the point of buying a Mac to primarily run Windows? You've then paid your "Apple tax" for absolutely nothing.

I'd love to buy a Macbook. I just can't justify that damn "Apple tax". When I can buy twice the hardware for half the price, it just doesn't make sense. Apple deserves to have limited market share... they price themselves into a niche market. I can't see how their manufacturing costs are that much different than anyone else's... so tell me Marv, what makes an Apple computer worth so much more money? Nothing you've stated and nothing you will ever state will make me believe that the "Apple tax" is worth it.
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January 14, 2012 10:40:02 PM

^ Well said my friend. Well said indeed.
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January 14, 2012 11:14:36 PM

oh no not again...
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January 14, 2012 11:56:19 PM

I wonder what Apple would charge someone if they had built this?



Because I paid less that $1000 and the I7-2600k cpu does 4.2ghz 24/7 with a H100 tucked inside of a Corsair Carbide 400R with a 470GTX with 2x4gb DDR3-1600 GSkills.
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January 15, 2012 12:10:42 AM

@kg4icg, I think it'll cost a house. :lol: 
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January 15, 2012 12:11:19 AM

Zoron said:
The answer is simple, Marv... I just love pissing people like you off. People that need to spend twice the amount of money on a computer than they actually have to and then crow about how superior their choice is... when in reality it isn't. If Macs really were worth their price, I'd have no problem with them... but this "Apple tax" is ridiculous.

Hardware-wise there is absolutely nothing to set them apart... same motherboards, processors and RAM found in much cheaper Windows-based PCs; even manufactured by the same manufacturers. If you're going to tell me that slapping an Apple logo on an Intel motherboard magically makes it worth twice the price or that it costs that much, I'm going to tell you to quit blowing smoke up my ass.

Software-wise, MacOS is pretty... I'll give it that. It works well and isn't currently targeted by malware authors nearly as much as Windows. The trade-off, of course, is that there are a lot more apps available on the Windows side of things. Of course, you'll try to brag about how your Mac PC can run Windows (it better, it is a Wintel machine at it's core), but then what is the point of buying a Mac to primarily run Windows? You've then paid your "Apple tax" for absolutely nothing.

I'd love to buy a Macbook. I just can't justify that damn "Apple tax". When I can buy twice the hardware for half the price, it just doesn't make sense. Apple deserves to have limited market share... they price themselves into a niche market. I can't see how their manufacturing costs are that much different than anyone else's... so tell me Marv, what makes an Apple computer worth so much more money? Nothing you've stated and nothing you will ever state will make me believe that the "Apple tax" is worth it.
Simply you are cheap!
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January 15, 2012 12:12:37 AM

kg4icg said:
I wonder what Apple would charge someone if they had built this?

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Because I paid less that $1000 and the I7-2600k cpu does 4.2ghz 24/7 with a H100 tucked inside of a Corsair Carbide 400R with a 470GTX with 2x4gb DDR3-1600 GSkills.
What is your resale value on this if you want to sell it? Zero homemade with no customer service backing it up.
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January 15, 2012 12:17:25 AM

I don't think a non Apple brand PC is cheap. In fact, they can be many times more expensive than Apple brand. Non Apple brand PC is just so much more flexible in configuration (from $300 office build, to $8000 extreme) and in the price range they are competing with Apple brand PC, the are better in performance per dollar.

I will buy it. I know enough to maintain it myself.

A non Apple brand PC and Apple brand PC differ by philosophy on what is the best computer. Choose what you believe in.
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