a stroke of genious

I was thinking last night and I came across an idea. The basic model for computers is based off the human brain, which is the fastest computer in existance. If we had the perfect machine, with every component as fast as it could go the bottlenecks of the design would be apparent. The slowest things to be accessed are the hard drive and memory. How will this be fixed? Just like in the human brain the memory is all stored right where it is processed, in patterns of neural connections. The answer is to enlarge the cpu cache! So simple yet so hard to achieve with todays manufacturing proceses. Think about it tho, we already have compact flash cards up to 4gb and those chips are tiny! SD cards up to 1gb are due out anytime and they are the size of freaking stamps! Soon we may be installing windows onto our cpus, mark my words! Of course this will not happen for quite some time thanks to the nature of capitolism, so many companies would lose money if we didn't need hard drives anymore. And the cpu caches would have to be flash ram so that the data could survive a reset... Ten years is my prediction! BTW this idea is now patent pending any use of it without my explicit consent is forbidden!

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You're going to store your OS on your CPU, huh? Interesting.......

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Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.


I have it memorized

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

I've heard it, something about being a particle of God...

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

Yep, done that plenty of times hehe. get all poetic only to find the next morning it makes no sense and the grammar alone will give u an F

Hilbert space is a big place.

*Splash of water* Welcome back to 2003 AD

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it would be difficult hell impossible to do NOW but I'm not talking about now. a die of 3 sq meters? I think not. As I said flash ram would have to be used so that the data survived a reset. The only reason I posted this was because I was drunk of tiredness. I was just stating where I thought we would be in a few years is all.

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

take me with youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! *throws a wrench into the time machine*
Damn, svol came and got all technical on our asses lol.

Hilbert space is a big place.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by flamethrower205 on 05/04/03 10:27 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

I patented it back before the dinosaurs I out tricked you all ahaha

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

There's a number of problems with that.

Cache is like a desk drawer. The stuff you use a lot is kept there. Ram is like a filing cabinet next to your desk, and the HD is the library. Now, if you could fit the entire library in your desk drawer, sure you could get stuff faster than going to the library, but it'd still take way longer to search through a million books in your drawer than to pull 1 out of 2 pieces of paper from it.

The way of the future IMO is MRAM (magnetic ram). It retains it's info even after a reboot, so you can load up on 5 gigs of the stuff, load your OS onto it, and just run everything from there.

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How does the Human brain store data was the question I asked when I read the first post? With electrical impulses. Each memory = electrical impulses. correct? Well lets put that into perspctive. NO hardware (ie. Hard drive of any kind) Correct? Well I was thinking maybe in the future we will start building computers more like the human brain. IE. A hard drive will not necessarily be a drive any more but merely a MASS of electricity. Think of it, Instead of opening your case and finding a hard drive but opening your case and seeing just a ball of electrical energy. Hmm? I guess that gets rid of all those damned cracked plates and crashes huh?


If im wrong well then Im wrong.

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Well actually Human Brain /nervous system uses electrical impulses to send/recieve nervous signals not for storing them. How infortmation is stored in the human brain in the memory cells is still unknown and highly debatable.

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Actually, there are other technologies which will be replacing the "transistor".

The problem with current transistor technology is that we are now limited by the size of the atom - it's too big! Just like when you run your processor you get electron migration (because that extra bit of juice gives the electrons enough boost to jump to another atom), hard drives and ram are also limited. If I recall correctly, the best current technology has done is get about 800 atoms to polarize to create one bit of data on a hard drive's surface. Any fewer, and the atoms cannot retain their orientation and the memory becomes volatile (not good for a hard drive). With ram, the data pathways are becoming so narrow that the magnetic fields the generate are interfering with neighbouring pathways. Also not good.

I've done some research in the past, and there are two primary roads that can be taken. The first, which has been around for quite some time, is holographic technology. It uses two or more intersecting lazer beams in a crystalline medium to change the reflective properties at the intersection, and change that small area to a data "signature", not just one bit. The advantages are not only truly 3d-recording surfaces, or multiple bit-patterns at the same point in space, based on which lazers changed the point, but that this technology is EMP-proof (which is why it's been used for the military for quite some time now). But, all this is only the storage of the data. The technology to be using light to actually do the computer processing in true parallel is starting. What it means is that your computer will no longer be a big box of transistors, but just a ball of light (well, not literally).

The other is using bio-mechanical engineering. There is research for various applications here. Nano technology (see: Star Trek [Borg], seriously, it's the same idea!), for one, is emerging very swiftly. The other is to make computers that run on the exact same interface as the human body - using chemical interaction to transmit data throughout the system. I've spoken with the Dean of Electrical and Computer Engineering at my university (University of Manitoba), and he says he's been working on this, among other things. He's also been working on error correction (he's up to 40% loss-recovery, ie: lose 40% of data and successfully recover it through ECC, same idea that CDs and DVDs work on, which is why you can scratch them and they usually still work, until you gouge the crap out of it).

So, go search in google and read up on it. Right now I'm too lazy to do it for you ;-)

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I wonder if it ever gets profitable... cache memory always have been very expensive to create and is only increasing very slowly during years. In 2000 the default was mostly 256 KB (although the first P3 has 512KB), now we're slowly moving towards 1 MB end 2003, beginning 2004.

And if cache speed stays increasing with CPU speed then the heat problem will always remain.

Unless we find a total new way of memory... like magnetic RAM or quantum computing. But I think you're right that the HD is going to be replaced with something else (probably without moving parts) somewhere in the future.

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I have caused a time rift that has destroyed its existence permanently, at all times! Ahahahahaha, bow down to my powa!

Hilbert space is a big place.

but then you must deal with the issues of temporal paradox. If you destroyed its existance forever then how would you have been able to destroy its existance? It wouldn't have existed! SO a seperate dimenion would have to open with an alternate time line to compensate otherwise we'd be stuck in an infinate time loop.

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

and in the end it was just a hoax and there was no real time machine. You will die from cancer because of that quantum computer at the ripe old age of 12 and 1/2.

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

DAMN!!! I just had me a stroke of genius! Instead of using super powerful magnets for quantum computers, just hook them up to some shrooms!



Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.

HELL YA! where is this? I gotta try it!

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

I can hook u up, $100 a shot.

Hilbert space is a big place.

Point being you can give a little here and take a little there to get certain things, but as of now I can't send you an IM across the galaxy instantaneously...

Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.

the reason modern cache is so expensive is that it must be able to run at the same speed as the cpu core, that takes an incredible amount of work.

Treat your body like a $600 car. God didn't intend it to last so use it. Run it into the ground!

Exactly... otherwise cache will have a small bottleneck. So if you want to fully integrate memory into the CPU without bottlenecks you need to put it at symilair speed... which will always cost very much money. But ofcourse you can also use Level 3 Cache.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dims when I turn it on

I don't know if I'll live long enough to see quantum computers, but my grandkids will. Providing of course that the whole world doesn't go tits up before then.

I'm predicting the use of optics (light) as a storage meduim/RAM/Hard Drive within 10 years. They've been working on it since the eighties, we already have optical switches, and it's not a huge jump from a laser reading a CDRom to a laser reading a crystaline structure. The advantages are huge. A 3D substrate, immunity to EMI and virtual immunity to heat, plus concievably a read/write head that's only as large as a few wavelenghts of light. You could carry all the published works of mankind in the palm of your hand. You could carry the entire internet around in your pocket.

But IBM has been doing some wicked things with quantum physics. They've already teleported a molecule across a room. Here's a good laymans introduction <A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/teleport981022.html" target="_new">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/teleport981022.html</A>. The article is from 1999, there's been some advances since then, including the teleportation of physical objects. Here's an article from 2000 on IBM's first quantum computer: <A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/ibm000815.html" target="_new">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/ibm000815.html</A>

What really scares me is the scenerio that it is only a quantum computer that could posses the complexity powerful enough to become self aware. It is possible that all quantum computers can be linked up together, in effect making all computers the same computer (that quantum thing again). This would be great for distributed computing, but hellish when you consider that a computer virus could simultaniously infect all computers.

Once things start getting this complex it's only a matter of time before this supercomputer becomes self aware. Then it's concievabe that quantum computers could supplant humans as the dominant life form within picoseconds. Imagine finding out that God really does exist, and that he's a monkey/housefly/single celled bacteria? What would your reaction be?

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