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Yo,

So, I'm thinking of getting a new car. Got a good price on it. An '81 Oldsmobile Cutlass.

However, this is no ordinary Cutty. The previous owner did some crazy stuff with it. He took out the stock 355 and dropped in a 454. He re-did the exhaust (mainly put chrome tips on, not much performance gain there), tuned the engine, revamped the suspension, and everything.

All told, he tells me this thing puts out about 400hp/500ft-lb. If I buy it, he says he'll tune the distributor and get me another 50 each way (he says any more and he can't handle the car!).

I'm gonna get a list from him about the work he's done on it, but what I want to know from you hot-rodders out there is what more should I do with it? Dude tells me I could force out another 300hp if I try, with a new exhaust and larger intake. What do you guys suggest? NOS? Super/turbo (it's carbeurated, so I don't know how well that would work, though I do love the sound of a good stage 4 turbo powering up, that shrill whistling sound just screams balls to me! Maybe I should find out how much a nice twin would cost instead of going that crazy!) Plus I'm going to put a pair of 12"s in the trunk, either Boston, maybe JBL, JL-Audio, or that big honking 18" 10,000-watt kicker (I'd have to go dual-alternator to power the thing, I would imagine.)

The price? $9500 Cdn. So, for you American's, that's like $6000.

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Break out the wallet, you're going to be putting some gas in that Hog, why don't you consider something with better gas mileage, all your party money will go into the gas tank.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Wait a minute, this guy tells you he "re-did the exhaust" (chrome tips, which <i>isn't</i> "re-doing the exhaust" ), and then tells you that you can get another 300hp "with a new exhaust and a larger intake"? Doesn't make sense. I don't see that adding 300, anyway. Maybe you should get a more experienced mechanic to look at this thing with you.

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Reply to Auburn9698

By re-did, I mean that he just replaced the stock with something with a little more flow, but he didn't go over-board. It was more for show than anything. And by adding 300hp, I mean the total engine mods can get it out of the car, not just the exhaust

As far as performance goes, I can assure you this thing is a Viper-killer. He gets 0-60 in under 5 seconds (he never tested it), and I took a drive with him and I believe him. Felt like I was being thrown out the back window.

Ryan, waddya mean something with better gas mileage? Are you pushing rice rockets on me? YOU BETTER NOT BE! I'm buying this thing with full knowledge that I'll be paying twice as much for gas as I am now, probably a good deal more, but I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to put all these shitty 5.0 'stangs in my neighbourhood to shame, especially since this is the first car I've ever really owned.

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Reply to umheint0

He never tested it, but he just <i>knows</i> his 60 times are under 5? He's gotta check it to know that. I hope it does it in WAY under 5, because lots of Vipers a few years old do it in mid-4s, and the new ones do it in <font color=red>under</font color=red> 4.

Sure, you could add 300 to it, but it's going to take more than one or two little things. Then there's the question of why the guy's trying to sell you on the additional 300 ponies when he supposedly "can't handle it" with only a <i>few</i> more.

I'm not just trying to be negative, but it does sound like this guy's trying to feed you a little BS.

I gotta agree with the mileage thing. Anybody interested in cars like this doesn't give a rat's ass about gas mileage or any crappy ricer BS.

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Reply to Auburn9698

dude, thats gonna be one nice f#cking car... and about the NOS, I dunno - though its a hell of a performance boost (when u need it), its mighty strenuous on the engine (btw, modified cam?), but the Turbo is a definite YES. I mean, that whirring sound, I love it... man, there's some guy around the corner from me who owns a Toyota MR2 in yellow with the most GORGEOUS intake mod I've ever seen, I mean absolutely nuts (a scoop about 18" wide and about 9" high) on either side, just behind the doors.... WOW.. anyways, he's got twin turbo, and the sound that thing makes... damn !! ! ! i can hear him coming from a good distance away, and when he races this modified VW Golf (some other guy around here owns a rally modified golf) its fvckin sick... wow i love cars :smile:
back to yours - definitely go turbo... also, check-out what kind of gas line he's got goin on, you might want to think about dual lines (unless its already there)... also, disc brakes ? ummm, with regards to the torque - any frame modifications, i mean i can imagine that thing twists and pulls left right and center, and a couple of crossbars would do wonders..
and last but not least - the paint job... whats it look like so-far ?

Also, where u located dude - i'm in montreal, and i'd love to see the car if yur not too far

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Reply to error_911

He knows he can do mid-4s because he races vipers and beats them (maybe not 1/4 mile, but off the line, like light-to-light, and a little longer, at least up to 60), so I know the car can do it.

The extra ponies aren't about the car not handling it, it's about his own limitations. HE can't handle the car with any more. He doesn't WANT any more. I suppose that's one of the reasons he's getting rid of it. Not because it's crap (I drove it, it's not), but because the car might be too much for him.

Frankly, about the extra 300 ponies, I don't care. I'd like to put the turbo in just because it sounds sweet and would be nice to have under the hood, and it's nice to know that the engine can handle more. Really whatever the turbo gives me is fine. If I get any more power, I'll have to get wider tires anyway on the thing, because the tires he has now spin out fairly readily, but they do give enoug traction to take almost anything.

If I do get the car, I'll test it and let you know what I pull. It'll take some practice, but there's a track out here in the Great White North I can visit and see what my times are.

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Reply to umheint0

Yeah, I knew that's what you meant about him not being able to handle it, not the car. That's why I said "he" instead of "the car".

But hey, it's your money. Knock yourself out.

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Reply to Auburn9698

I might do the NOS, just because I can say I have it, maybe use it once in a while for show, because it's fun to say NOs ;-)

About the fuel line, I can probably put in a second myself, and if not I'll just get the guy to show me how. For brakes, I'm almost positive they are disk. We did 0-60-0 in the space of like 150 yards or so. Basically the length of two Wal-Marts (tells you where we did it, huh.) It was nice. I'm going to be asking him for a spec sheet to compare with what I know and other ppl I know, know.

For frame twisting, it doesn't have a lot. Don't forget this is a Cutlass. The thing feels like a truck, handles like a vette, and rides like a caddy. It's one huge honking piece of metal - dude told me body molded to frame, not just mounted - so I might not need any bracing. If I feel it twist worse than a pretzel, I'll put a couple bars in.

The paint job? Previous owner stripped it down to bare metal and painted it midnight black, four coats all told if I recall. Absolutely immaculate. He had the job appraised at $3500, so it was a real good job. Plus with the dark tinted windows, the only hint of color on the car is the crome exhausts and the hubcaps.

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So your trying to tell me that this

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one huge honking piece of metal


can outrun a viper....


Im gonna have to pull out the bullshit card on that one.

<A HREF="http://autos.en.msn.ca/Vip/Heraud/Dodge/Viper/2003S.asp" target="_new"> msn's report = 0-100 in 4.2 </A>

<A HREF="http://dodge.jbroadtests.com/Viper/2003/index3.php" target="_new"> another link 0-60 in 4 sec. flat </A>

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/SPEEDDMN16/rt10.html" target="_new"> yet another link 0-60 in 4 sec flat </A>

and you want me to believe that, that cutlass with only 400 hp can beat a machine(500 hp) DESIGNED to race and be faster.

I think the guy who selling it to ya is giving ya alittle bullshit. Granted I do believe that it is fast (with a 454 come on, not an idiot) but I dont believe he races Dodge Vipers and wins.

Just my opinion though... could be wrong.

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Reply to mrface

He could be. I haven't seen him race a viper before. It could be that the other driver just sucks too, since these tests you have here are done by pros. But I am inclined to believe what this guys says. When and if I get the car, I'm going to get it dyno tuned to clean up all the timings and such and see what power it actually puts out, and then I'll take it to the track and see what kind of times I record, then I'll be back and let you all know.

Don't forget that those are '03 vipers and are srt's and the ones in my neck of the woods are lucky to be rt's (we're po, so very very po up hiah). I didn't say it could beat ALL vipers, but it very well could beat some.

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying what could be happening. I'll just have to find out for myself.

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Reply to umheint0
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Yeah your right. I wasnt trying to burst your bubble just give you a little incite before you buy. The other drivers could have been crap too but I guess if you like it and know how to drive it more power to ya.

Good luck with everything.

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That Cutlass has gotta way, what, 5000+ pounds? With 400hp, there is no way that it can truly beat a 500hp 3300 pound Viper.

If it were 5000 pounds, with 400hp that car would be a little slower than an early 90's Turbo Toyora MR2 (at about 2000 pounds and 200+ hp). Pretty fast, but not super.

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Reply to ksoth

As I said earlier, I haven't tested it's performance for myself. When I do, I'll let you all know what it can, and can't, do.

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Reply to umheint0

Heh-heh, I can just imagine a Cutlass that would <i>actually</i> weigh 5000 lbs. That's a Bentley!

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Reply to Auburn9698

Even the EARLY '92 Vipers were barely 5+ second 0-60 cars. So unless they are poorley maintained or driven by tools, there's little chance. N20 might help, but seriously I think it will more likely just melt your engine and DEFINITELY reduce it's life. At least with a cutlass engines are cheap, but not disposable.

If this is your primary car I hope you don't drive a long way to work.

Have him Dyno it somewhere as a condition of sale if you can. Sounds too good to be true, but also sounds like a bit of fun if it is.

Still give me a nice Triumph Daytona or Any TVR. Viper-eaters! But then again they cost a little more than $6,000. Althought the Daytona isn't MUCH more.

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TVR Cerberra? DEFINITELY!!!

In any case, the N2O was just a passing thought. I really want the turbo, twin if possible, because I just love the sound. Imagine the low growl of a 454 with the hint of a whistle from the turbo. Reminds me of an F-14 powering up....

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damn that sounds nice..... mind-you, for the paint, I'm a fan of the wild 60's and 70's colours - you know, greens and reds and baby blues... car i've been trying to find (used, for re-building) is a 1970-72 barracuda in candy-apple green, with plum purple trim, heheheheheh
anyways, would love to see some pics - try and get some !! !!

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Reply to error_911

I wonder how the Ducati 748 with Akrapovic exhaust I'm lookin at right now would fare :)

Oh, if you want cheap speed, get a hayabusa + turbo. $15000 for a 9 second machine.

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Reply to silverpig

I I get the car I'm going to borrow my friend's digital camera and make a massive homepage with nothing but pics pics pics. I'm estimating 50.

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Reply to umheint0

Where in Canada are you?

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Reply to silverpig

Winnipeg. Nothing but hicks and rednecks here.

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...and black flies :)

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Reply to silverpig

A Cutlass should weigh around 3700-4200 with all that extra stuff onboard. Mine weighed 4100 after upgrades...

A few years back (In my heyday...) I had an 82 Cutlass. I tweaked it, cut the hood up, and put tunnel rams in with a 6-pack edelbrock carb set. I yanked the 454 out of an '81 vette, rebuilt it, and tossed it into the cutlass! $9,000 (this was late 80's...) and several more upgrades later, you shoulda heard that thing suck air! WOO HOO!!

Anyhow, I dyno'd it, and with 600hp and 535 ft/lbs of torque, 4.8 0-60, 10.4 quarter (rear end was geared too low...), I had a street rod that nobody in town could match...until I rolled it like a fool.

Even a guy with an '87 5.0 Stang with the hyped 302 couldn't match me! Boy, I was king of the hill....

With newer technology, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to match, or beat an older Viper. If you can't beat it, it would at least be a good race!



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Reply to Groveling_Wyrm

hehe, you don't know much about cars do you? Olds is my specialty.

He says it has a 454, which is a Chevy engine. Fine there, hope it has at least a TH350 in it, better yet a TH400. And then if you REALLY ARE going to push a lot of torque out of it, the stock 10-bolt rear with crumble.

The main thing that tips me off is the "turbo" thing. You wouldn't want 1 turbo on this type of engine, you'd want at least 2. First reason is that it's a V8, it has 2 heads, you would have to find a place to join the 2 headers to feed it into one turbo, and then...single exhaust? Haha!

This isn't a heavy car, it should weigh just under 2 ton. The frame is OK, but not THAT sturdy, unless he "boxed the rails". And the body is secured to that frame with BOLTS. Get under it and see for yourself!

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good :) you better post ! !

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Hey Crashman is the sh<font color=blue>i</font color=blue>t. He knows computers, cars, and who knows .... meaning of life???

I'll ask him later

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Oh, but I do know cars, just not domestics. I'm more into the late model European scene. I'd get a bimmer or Porsche, but they're a little out of my price range :(

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Reply to umheint0

I'm also a welder, machinist, etc, etc, etc.

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Reply to Crashman

a machinist!!! I would expect that from wingding but not you. who would ahve thought you'd like pain so much.
















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I'm also trained as a body man.

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I did the math, and the max acceleration on that car, with 400 horsepower at 4100 pounds, is 0-60mph in 4.5 seconds.

Now that is max theoretical acceleration, so the actual acceleration you would get would be slower, as it doesn't take into account many factors. For instance, the max theoretical acceleration of a Corvette is 0-60 in about 3.3 seconds, but in reality it does it in about 4.2 seconds. So, the real number for your car would be more like 5.2 - 5.5 seconds. So, you'd be running about 12.5 - 13.0 second quarter miles, which is good. So, that car would be about as fast as one of the new Nissan 350z's.

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Reply to ksoth

Again, as I've said before, this car have never been tuned, so it could already be at 500hp. This is completely estimated, but for the fact that it beats every single stinking 5.0 in my city, I think it's got some balls.

And I've given up on the turbo, though I would love the sound. People are telling me it would lag like a fat man in a marathon. So, I'll have to go supercharger. I'm going to try for 750hp. That will be fly......


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so ....

Whats the meaning of life???


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I'd tell you, but it involves two things you wouldn't understand, sex and literature.

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lol.. good one


i know about this literature....but what is this sex thing you are talking about????

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Reply to mrface

So, no one has any more ideas about what to do to this thing? Or are you still waiting for some power ratings? I told you, I'll get them when I get them. No sooner.

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