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ron888   10-20-2009 at 07:29:12 AM

Hi
i have window 7 test version installed
however When i tried to install Act of war: Direct action, it didn't work
and since i have herd how the game does not like more than 3 GB of rams i change the MSconfig settings and set a limit on the memory from the Advance options

after i restarted my computer
it crashed...
and i am unable to undo the msconfig changes, because i am unable to access msconfig

i have tried to boot into safemode and load msconfig, however it says i do not have the privileged to access msconfig...
i have tried the automatic repair in window 7... and it didn't work

anyother ways to undo it?

i have a lot of accessments in the C: drive which i have not backed up

any help would be appreciated
thanks
ron

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roonj   10-20-2009 at 07:54:36 AM
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System restore ?

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ron888   10-20-2009 at 08:25:00 AM
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Tried it, dosen't work
seems it only restore changes that was made by programs

 

and i didn't do a system image back up...

 

mistake in my previous post:

 

Safe Mode crashes, seem i was loading in to the recovery mode(from the recovery CD)

 

so i only have access to recovery mode command prompt which does not have privilege access to MSconfig

 

any ways to change the values directly? i mean msconfig only changes .ini files
if i know the correct .ini file to look for, i might be able to change the value directly

 

or can i do a replacement on the msconfig?

 

really not having a good day...


Message edited by ron888 on 10-20-2009 at 08:26:43 AM
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jobz000   10-20-2009 at 09:27:45 AM
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You should have several restore points in System Restore. Have you tried restoring to an even earlier restore point, one which was saved before you made the changes via msconfig.

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ron888   10-20-2009 at 12:11:44 PM
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yes, i have tried to restore to older restore points, same problem occurs

i don't think that value get backed up... and can be restored
i guess the only way is to reinstall the OS...


Message edited by ron888 on 10-20-2009 at 12:12:35 PM
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jonnyberthiaume   10-20-2009 at 03:21:35 PM
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Don't know if this will work, but try to run DOS cmd as administrator (right click on DOS cmd in accessories and choose "Run as administrator" ). Then launch msconfig from the new DOS cmd that appeared and you should have the administrator rights. If it doesn't then you can't do anything or maybe you did something wrong in the process.


Message edited by jonnyberthiaume on 10-20-2009 at 03:23:34 PM
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OneHumongousLoser   10-20-2009 at 03:25:14 PM
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The game install probably works but you have to do it different for Win7 applications that are older (and some that are not even that old, i found out). I had this problem with several games, and finally figured it out.

when installing, dont use auto run that boots from the installation disk. close auto run, open the installation disk in folder and find the 'setup' application.

Win7 has a compatability mode. You have to install the game with the compatability mode method.

Right click on the 'setup' application, then use the compatability mode to install.

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jonnyberthiaume   10-20-2009 at 03:54:43 PM
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I don't think you need to go that as far as running compatibility mode on the setup of the game as OneHumongousLoser suggest.

You should be able to install all games normally then you use the compatibility mode on the game's exe when you run it.

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OneHumongousLoser   10-20-2009 at 03:59:28 PM
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you will know quick if you can install or not. you cant install them to begin with, you get an error message and game wont install at all. So you have to use the compatability mode to install them. After that, never an issue.

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jonnyberthiaume   10-20-2009 at 07:27:26 PM
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OneHumongousLoser wrote :

you will know quick if you can install or not. you cant install them to begin with, you get an error message and game wont install at all. So you have to use the compatability mode to install them. After that, never an issue.



That rings a bell, you might be right for that one. Just don't forget to adjust compatibility for the game's exe after the install, the setup compatibility option won't do much for you when you'll be running the game.

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OneHumongousLoser   10-20-2009 at 08:37:43 PM
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I had the problem with several games, and just installed per above and dont have problems (not yet anyway haha), and they supposedly run forever in that 'mode'. How do you adjust for compatability with games exe after install?

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jonnyberthiaume   10-20-2009 at 09:11:14 PM
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OneHumongousLoser wrote :

I had the problem with several games, and just installed per above and dont have problems (not yet anyway haha), and they supposedly run forever in that 'mode'. How do you adjust for compatability with games exe after install?



Same as with setup, just go to Program Files and right click on the game's exe. Select "Properties" and there should be a tab "compatibility".

You might be right for the setup, maybe the game's exe retain the setup compatibility mode, I never tried it, so I couldn't vouch it doesn't work. But just to be on the safe side, I would verify it after installing a game that way.


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ron888   10-20-2009 at 10:47:24 PM
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Don't know if this will work, but try to run DOS cmd as administrator (right click on DOS cmd in accessories and choose "Run as administrator" ). Then launch msconfig from the new DOS cmd that appeared and you should have the administrator rights. If it doesn't then you can't do anything or maybe you did something wrong in the process.



i do not have anything to right click to, the command prompt is loaded from the recovery CD, hence it is running in external mode, hence no admin rights

all the recovery stuff is done on x: drive(emulated by the recovery CD)
My OS would not boot correctly, blue screen of death after the window logo sign
that includes Safe Mode

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The game install probably works but you have to do it different for Win7 applications that are older (and some that are not even that old, i found out). I had this problem with several games, and finally figured it out.

when installing, dont use auto run that boots from the installation disk. close auto run, open the installation disk in folder and find the 'setup' application.

Win7 has a compatability mode. You have to install the game with the compatability mode method.

Right click on the 'setup' application, then use the compatability mode to install.



I had tried to run it in compatibility mode, and it didn't work, i am using x64bit OS and 12 GB of ram


Message edited by ron888 on 10-20-2009 at 10:49:26 PM
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jonnyberthiaume   10-20-2009 at 11:21:55 PM
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You mentionned you booted in safemode in your first post. It shouldn't log you into a DOS cmd, it should give you access to your desktop.

From there, you should be able to go in the menu and right click on DOS cmd to choose "Run as administrator".

Might be totaly mistaken about the whole safemode, but if my memories serves me right...

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kamel5547   10-20-2009 at 11:33:19 PM
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My guess is that the changes are in one of three locations: System.ini, Win.ini,Boot.ini

You can try and see if you see the change and switch it back to the default setting.

This article discusses troubleshooting for XP, I figure it is probably similar.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560

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kamel5547   10-20-2009 at 11:35:36 PM
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Specifically msconfig probably makes the change discussed here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms791501.aspx

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thuan   10-21-2009 at 05:07:38 AM
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Vista and Windows 7 does not use Boot.ini file anymore but it uses BCD. So to modify it you need to use the bcdedit program. If you need to disable the 3gb user mode RAM then take a look at this http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/qaID.asp?tip=5551 . I hope the command works in recovery console, if not I don't know :D as I haven't screwed my computer up enough for that and I'm actually a unix admin.

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ron888   10-21-2009 at 12:20:25 PM
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Thanks everyone for their effort

By booting into the repair disc's recovery mode
i was able to load bcdedit.exe

however i was not able to delete the IncreaseUserVa value just as stated in the http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/qaID.asp?tip=5551 forum

but i have used the bcdedit command /set and set the value to 1024

this value was valid, and i was able to boot into windows

this is taking a while, as 1 GB of ram for window7 is not enough (still loading as i am typing this)

Special thanks @thuan and @kamel5547
the msdn website taught me alot on bcdedit functions and the CAD forum showed the actually way to do it

@thuan: well i guess you can be a win admin too now

Ronald


Message edited by ron888 on 10-21-2009 at 12:24:41 PM
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ron888   10-21-2009 at 12:23:11 PM
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Found out what i did wrong

i have typed 3000000000 in to the MSconfig
since the units is in MBs it should have been 3072

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