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how do you think this world would be if we had women as our leaders? do you think we would be more civilized? less wars? more unity and peace perhaps?

there is a second part to this as well. but before i get there, i want to see what people think.

no fuckking bs guys. i want your honest thoughts about it so keep the anal sex and shitt away if you have any respect. i wouldn't care so much, but this is actually a serious thread.

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but this is actually a serious thread

We´ll se how long that lasts... :tongue:

Anyway, with women as leaders I think our world would be more 'civilized', women would probably want to put money on gardens of flowers instead of weapons for example :wink:

The best mix would probably be a 50-50 leadership, an equal amount of men and women in the top positions.

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Reply to Jake75

would you mind if you knew your leader is a woman?

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Reply to scamtrOn

No, not at all...I really don´t care how they look, behave or what sex they are as long as they do a good job.

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Reply to Jake75

Total opposite in some cases. The UK had Maggie Thatcher as Prime Minister for 12 years, and she was one of the most aggressive leaders we've had. The Argentinians must still hate her over the Falklands War.

I don't think a female leader of state would be able to affect that much of a change. You'd have to have a real u-turn in the governing parties thoughts and policies.

Does double Dutch mean twice as perfect?

Reply to RobD

see thats what i was thinking also. but after some more thinking i thought maybe its because of the influence and pressure by men. i'm not saying that she did what she did because of men, but what i'm saying is that she is the type of woman who would survive in this kind of men dominated world. think of a filtering process... a woman who wouldn't be so aggressive prolly would never make it to where she did.

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Reply to scamtrOn

You're hit the nail on the head there. It's weird, but to survive in a male dominated world, a woman would have to display more aggression than a man, just to be able to compete on equal terms. Something seems a tad fuckked up about that to me.

Does double Dutch mean twice as perfect?

Reply to RobD

i could say the same. it is fuckked... shame, that it is.

what do you think about peace and unity? how do you think that would differ?

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Reply to scamtrOn

I think if there were more women leaders then men then certainly the world would be more peaceful. Men, as a rule, when given power, seem eager to wield it, flex their political muscle. Women think differently, and would adopt a more pragmatic approach to world politics. So if there were more women leaders than men, then it would be a better world to live in, because their take on things would differ greatly to that of men.

But, like we've said, a woman has got to go to extraordinary lengths to get into power.

Does double Dutch mean twice as perfect?

Reply to RobD

Scamtron, are you not familiar with the Iron Lady? Maggie was the strongest, most pro-war (not that that's a bad thing) leader the UK has had in recent time.
Thinking that women wouln't do what has to be done would simply give validation tothe idea that they shouldn't be leaders. Canada has had one PM, and she lasted a heartbeat (just long nough for people to bring it up in silly threads like this).

Women or men, wars are about control and power, do you really think a woman would have invited Saddam to tea?
However I can tell you one thing for sure, Men all across the US would keep a 28 day calendar and learn what a cycle means if there were a female leader.

I think you may not have lived with many women if you think they aren't aggresive on their own. And if women ran any country simply by godwill and daisies, it would be conquered by a country with an agressive leader (whatever the sex). The only reason you can make silly assumptions about peace is because of the aggresive history that as lead up to a stalemate, where diplomacy is currently of higher value than raw determinism.

- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp (or internet account) ! RED GREEN :tongue: GA to SK

Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Female leaders tend to be very aggresive or over compensate. A woman who is successful in politics tends to have broken many necks getting there.

Everyone should be like the Dutch. They're perfect.

Reply to dhlucke

well no tea would be served, but it would have been done differently. i'm not even going to try to give my opinion here since i'm not a woman and also it'd be what i think. one example is; women might work better togather and get rid of sadam once they all agree on something for good.

remember i'm not taking sides. but i will post what i think would happen the other way around. so even if i agree with you, i'll look at it the other way as well. most of all i want to get feedback from people.

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Reply to scamtrOn

again, i think thats mostly because of what they have to go through to get there. now what i want you to do is tell me what you think this world would be like if women like your mom and/or sister were leaders. politics has its toll on every thing and i really shouldn't be talking about it as a religious man, but i guess its ok with the way it ties into this subject.

one thing that plays a big roll in this factor is how much you trust a womans logic. I THINK that men USE better logic than women. too bad logic is not the only thing used in politics. now honestly, do you not think there would be more unity and peace with women as our leaders?

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Reply to scamtrOn

I look at recent examples. I think Hillary Clinton for example would make a HORRIBLE leader. She's two faced, aggresive, and she was willing to do anything for power. Any normal woman would have divorced Bill Clinton for the crap he put her through yet she stuck with it so that she could get into Congress and continue her political career. There's a difference between being a leader and being a politician or power hungry fool.

I then take your average woman and put her in a stressfull situation. Everyone I know will cry and break down. Woman are very emmotional and I don't think there is a need for emmotional outbursts or reactions in world events.

Under pressure and in extreme situations a man and woman act very differently.

At the same time any leadership position will include many aids and close allies. Nobody makes a decision alone anymore unless you're a dictator.

Everyone should be like the Dutch. They're perfect.

Reply to dhlucke

thats good. in fact its getting close to the second part of this thread. i like to see more about this. you make a point that i agree with.

now here is something i really wonder how you would do... IF you had to disagree with your self (as if you are someone else), what would you say to your self? is there a reason worthy enough that you think would make a woman the right choice?

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Reply to scamtrOn

No. Women are leaders in their own homes. That's where they excel. A strong man protects them from the outside world and sees to it that they can raise the kids. Women for the most part wear the pants of the house, or at the very least tell the man which pants he can wear. Outside the home though a woman isn't a leader.

Seriously, under pressure a woman always runs to the man. I see it every single time.

Everyone should be like the Dutch. They're perfect.

Reply to dhlucke

Women work better together? Do you really think so? Have you ever seen women try to work together on competitie issue?

I'd say women are the complete opposite (in a blanket general statement kind of way). Women are VERY competitive and they even use dirtier tricks than guys. I think ou are thinking of some idealized version/vision of 'Woman'. The reality is much different. Earth Mother/Sister Moon aren't going to be any nicer when everything is REALLY at stake.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Nice to see you post sometning with a lot af meaning in it scammy, my how you have changed.
lol

It's been said before: in order to change the world you must change yourself. YOU change the world by changing the way you REACT to "exterior" events. When those emotions of greed, joulousy, fear and anger come up, YOU change the world by changing YOUR reactions to them. Yes! I'm telling you to become as a Holy man. Replace every thing with Love in your heart.

What i've said has been said throught the ages. And when this catches on, the world will change from the INSIDE out. From the grass roots to the top.

The illusion is in thinking that the world will change from the top down. Not possible.

Again, so nice to see this change in you dear Scammy!

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danny

Violets are red and roses are blue but i have nothing to say so what do i do

Reply to pike

like i said, that is also my view of this situation... well for the most part. what i really want is from some one with your view is how you would disagree with your self. i want to see what your view is coming from the other side. sure it won't be strong, but very interesting to hear.

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Reply to scamtrOn

dood... one might think you are getting carried away? i don't necessarily disagree or agree with what you say. tho i want to hear what you have to say.

like i said from my previous reply to you

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remember i'm not taking sides. but i will post what i think would happen the other way around. so even if i agree with you, i'll look at it the other way as well. most of all i want to get feedback from people.

well just let me know, but it seems that way from the excessive use of "you".

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Reply to scamtrOn

When a woman has identified herself with her body, then indeed what you say is true!

However, it need not be so.

take care

Violets are red and roses are blue but i have nothing to say so what do i do

Reply to pike

DH man, I'm not touching THAT one with a 50ft pole!

Women can make great leaders, like I said at the start I think leadership isn't chromosomal. A woman can make a good leader (Ghandi, Thatcher, [Bhutto?]), and be just as ruthless. Heck, Indira Ghandi oversaw India's nuclear age and also declared a state of emergency imprisoned her election rivals at one point, and was just as hardline on the Sihks as any male counterpart. Thatcher we have already talked about. Bhutto, well she is iffy as an aggresive force, however that may be the exact problem which led to her easy ouster. IMO.

The Biggest question is will a woman spend more time trying to prove she is the equal of a man or simply just DO the job?

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

I am, by far, the holiest one here, so you guys LISTEN to ME !!!

It has NOTHING to do with man/woman as this is dependant on the body identifications.

YOU are much MORE than your body !!!

CASE CLOSED

love
danny

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Reply to pike

yes. thats actually another part of the second part of this thread. i agree 100 percent on the "greed, joulousy, fear and anger", but of course in my own ways as i'm sure you do in your own ways.

what i'm trying to get at is world peace and unity, which shows up in parts of your reply. you know the world where you won't need different passports and such to go where you wish to on the land that was "given" to humanity. the thought of going from one country to another the way you go from state to state is so beautiful.

what we as humans have done here is set limits to some things that sould not have limits. then these limits are governed by some crazy people such as _____ *fill in the blank with whom ever you wish*. i feel that i should have the right to go any place i wish to without all the crap that comes along with it. well thats one of the only things that doesn't seem right to me anyway.

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Reply to scamtrOn

The sexes are different though. Screw all the equality crap cause when it comes down to it we're SUPPOSED to be different. I'm not supposed to be a woman and a women is not supposed to be a man.

That doesn't mean that everyone shouldn't be given the same opportunities though. Don't get me wrong.

Why should a woman need to prove herself equal to a man? Why? Money? Power? Those are both shallow reasons. If she wants to help the world then she'll have to do it by being herself, not by trying to fill a man's shoes.

The world is the way it is and nature has set us up to fill certain roles.

Everyone should be like the Dutch. They're perfect.

Reply to dhlucke

i still don't think Thatcher should be included in this as she is the creation of the influences. sure she had the talent for it, but under influence and pressure people do thing they wouldn't have otherwise. may it be influence or pressure at work here or even both, she, i think, is not "herself.

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Reply to scamtrOn

Pike, while YOU change, I'll just take advantage of you and steal your stuff, or play you off against another, so I can benifit from the fallout.
Only someone who has never had to compete for the greater things would think that simply turning the other cheek / changing oneself will work in a greater scale.

As for being 'HOLY' I think more important than getting a few women in power would be removing reliion from the equation, whihc for many would bring about the greater equality some here seem to think is needed.

Utopia, it's not just part of a Fruit Drink anymore.

- You need a licence to buy a gun, but they'll sell anyone a stamp (or internet account) ! RED GREEN :tongue: GA to SK

Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Sex exists in order to purpetuate the species, however, is THAT still an issue TODAY...NOW ???

Violets are red and roses are blue but i have nothing to say so what do i do

Reply to pike

Of course. That's the whole point of life. Nothing has changed that. We have gender roles so that we breed.

Not to bring up another bag of worms but in the animal world it's been proposed that overpopulation leads to homosexual behavior. It might be happening in our society as well. It's apparently a way to control the population.

Everyone should be like the Dutch. They're perfect.

Reply to dhlucke

Pike it is always an issue, perhaps you aren't familiar with the idea of the selfish gene. And that ALL our actions are directed at one simple thing, the survival of MY dna.

Sexes may be somewhat archaic, however it works pretty well, and A-sexual reproduction isn't fun. Most of us here would miss it!

The reality that you need to deal with is that we are the EVOLUTION of the species, not simply the extension of our desires. You environment determines whether you survive so in the strictest sense, it's top down, yeah you can focus on persoal change etc. it just needs to conform/match the environment in which you need to survive/thrive. Pacifisim while admirable in an abstarct way isn't an effective strategy for survival. It's sad but true, and for most species.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

Mahatma Gandhi said it all back then when Muslims and Hindus were tearing each other apart.

AT one time when things were getting way outta hand he said this:

"We are not ready, not yet pure enough"

What needs to be realised is what he meant by "WE". WE is ALL of us.

WE ARE NOT SEPERATE

YOU steal MY things YOU hurt BOTH of US, cause WE are ONE. That's what "being connected" is ALL about.

In reality, the most you can steal from me is my body! That OTHER part, you already have my dear friend.

I love you!

Violets are red and roses are blue but i have nothing to say so what do i do

Reply to pike

That's a sobering thought really. Well put.

Ok...I'm off to bed. Later...

Everyone should be like the Dutch. They're perfect.

Reply to dhlucke

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Only someone who has never had to compete for the greater things would think that simply turning the other cheek / changing oneself will work in a greater scale.

the day we can do that, will be the day where humans have stride to the next level. leaders are a good idea, but not the ones that crave power. a true leader is the one that would sacrifice. what we have today, are not what i would call leader. the hell with all these power hungry mongrels. they are the ones who start wars.

think about it this way; when children fight, do parents fight among them selves because of it (well the more civilized ones anyways) or do they try to creat peace... its obvious. sadam was NOT a leader nor anything that resembles leader characteristics. that also goes for the asses ruling my home land.

we need leaders that would have access to all the power in the world, but would not abuse it. its just too bad today is not that day where we have such thing. also its not getting any better.

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The reality that you need to deal with is that we are the EVOLUTION of the species, not simply the extension of our desires. You environment determines whether you survive so in the strictest sense, it's top down, yeah you can focus on persoal change etc. it just needs to conform/match the environment in which you need to survive/thrive. Pacifisim while admirable in an abstarct way isn't an effective strategy for survival. It's sad but true, and for most species.

science is great. pike also has a good point tho. being a leader is about a well balanced character. this is not only about the facts that science has brought and proven to us. this thread is about who would make the best leader. keeping that in mind, you will realize that not only the facts of our humanly characteristics is enough to be a leader. there is much more that goes into it. balance is a very important thing here.

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Reply to scamtrOn

heh would it be safe to assume you are a man of one view?... j/k

i'm still wondering what you would say, but hey i can't make you.

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Reply to scamtrOn

damn this feels like a spiritual thread already. yet i want to know what you think about the topic pike... spit it out. and see if you can leave the spiritual portion out as it usualy confuses me (remember that day on msn?).

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how do you think this world would be if we had women as our leaders? do you think we would be more civilized? less wars? more unity and peace perhaps?

Try at least a couple years of marriage. Once you've done that, you won't have to ask yourself this question any more.

And the whole "working together" thing? Freakin A, they're competitive, especially with each other. One need only pay close attention to groups of them to know that. Down and dirty mofos, too. My wife was in pageants in high school and college and told me all the dirty little stories of the behind-the-scenes stuff.

As far as the logic thing, yeah, we're definitely more logical and practical than them. Women tend to be form first, then function, while men are usually the opposite. Why do women spend so much time wearing shoes that pound their feet to a bloody pulp? (while we're usually wearing shoes and socks that are comfy and just good enough for the situation) Ooohhh, because they look so "cute"!

A whole planet full of women leaders? I might rather be dead.

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Reply to Auburn9698

as far as marriage goes, i have to say its up to the people who are married. i have seen two beautiful marriages in my life... well that were worth remembering since one was 28 years old and the other was 21 years old i think. and seen tons of bad ones. by beautiful marriage i mean healthy, not the kind that HAVE to put up with each other.

when it comes to marriage, i have seen more stupid men then women tho. men just do stupid things. as for the competitiveness, yes they are. that is also a problem.

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Reply to scamtrOn

Heh-heh, it doesn't have to be a "bad" marriage to be part of what I'm talking about. Friends and family are always telling us that we're that "perfect couple" bullcrap. That means squat. What I'm talking about is the stuff that not everybody sees. The stuff that guys who are or have been married talk about amongst themselves more than they do with guys that have never been married. Even those "two beautiful marriages" include a part of what I mean. I promise.

Assuming you get married one day, you'll see what I mean. You'll see. Oh, you'll see. MWAHAHAHA!!! :evil:

Breaking News: God expelled from Netherlands; not good enough. Details to come.
War EagleEdited by Auburn9698 on 05/09/03 08:19 AM.

Reply to Auburn9698

I'm not really old or experienced enough to express my views on your question but i just wanted to add another dimension to your question. Now you talk about a world led by women leaders.....Nature by default has chosen men to be the leader of the family so i'm trying to say...What if it was the other way round. I mean Women as the leaders from the beginning then there would be no "out classing men" scenario or the fact that they have to stand out in a Male dominated society. I'd like to see what people think would have happened in this case.
To Auburn: The last thing you said about those shoes thing and their utility. Well men also have a similar problem "EGO". Most of the men, and hopefully you'll agree, do not want to accept a fact that proves them wrong or goes against their opinion. This is as dangerous as the example you mentioned. You seem to be fine in this male dominated society because you were born and brought up in this environment. It's normal to you and everyone because we're just too used to it to care about it. The thought of A female dominated leadership is scary to you because it is different. "Different" is always hard to swallow.

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Jay Kay

Reply to jaythaman

sure they exist. in every relationship they exist. they way they are delt with is what matters. the same aplies to the topic of this thread. bad mouthing and such behavior is one of the things that ruin marriages... well to get to the point, i'd have to say the lack of respect. the two marriages i'm talking about had much respect and were much respected.

also you have to have bad times to appreciate good times. i'm sure there will be hard times through my marriage, but i will try my hardest to solve the problem like i'm having a friendly conversation.

darn it i have to go, but i'll be back

these days every one knows how small your penis is, and they are dying to help you with many many penis enlargement emails. Edited by scamtron on 05/09/03 04:27 PM.

Reply to scamtrOn

The form vs. function issue and egos are quite different issues. Sure, I agree, lots of men have the ego problem you're talking about, especially male leaders. I'd be stupid not to agree with that. However, it's my experience that women in leadership positions have pretty much the same degree of that problem.

The example I mentioned wasn't "dangerous". Or, at least, wasn't intended to be describing something dangerous. It's just impractical. Danger vs. practicality are also two very different issues.

A whole world of female leadership doesn't "scare me because it's different." It concerns me for other reasons. The only manager I haven't gotten along with was a woman. Hell, my wife has mentioned on many occasions that the only people she hasn't enjoyed working for are women, while she's worked with male bosses just fine. She says she can't stand working for women. When my father resigned as the CEO of his company and was followed by a woman, do you know who the only 2 people in that office that had a problem with that were? Two women. (I learned this through another group of women from his office, not him). That kind of stuff says something. And there's reasons for that.

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Reply to Auburn9698

I have been written up one time on a job in my entire life. This was done by a woman. She was this old snagletoothed bitch that was more than likely bitter about her position in life. However the last boss that I had was a woman and we got along fine. (I ended up dating her for 8months :smile: . When you put a woman in a position of power they will change. Much the same way women change when you marry them. Marrige puts them in a position of power as well.

When I used to work in a corporate office I noticed that very few of the woman bosses were well liked. They were hated by both the men and women alike. Most tended to have the same mean nasty streak as well. I never understood it. I remember one gal was fired because so many people in her department were requesting transfers out or quitting.

Now I've come across several decent female bosses as well. I'm just saying that there is no difference between men and women and how they will act once they lead. If women ran the world it wouldn't be all that much different. You have to think that people who desire power show certain traits. Women in leadership positions desired the power just as much as men would, what's to stop them from becoming a dictator as well. Power is intoxicating and it affects both genders.

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

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it's my experience that women in leadership positions have pretty much the same degree of that problem

Yes that's true. That's why i wanted to know what you guys think would've happened if there was no "rising out of the male shadow" scenario which most probably inculcates this ego prob in women which is not normally associated with them.

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The only manager I haven't gotten along with was a woman.

I just flew over pettytheft's post and he certainly seems to have had quite a good experience with female bosses.

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while she's worked with male bosses just fine

:evil: maybe they try extra in being nice to her. :lol: no offense meant btw

I swear to drunk I'm not God!
Jay Kay

Reply to jaythaman

ROFL i was reading my last post and it didn't make shitt sense. i fixed it. i'm so tired i feel like i'm going to pass out. sorry about the mess up anyway.

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Reply to scamtrOn

HA! None taken. :wink:

Umm, half of PT's post was positive about them. The other half was negative.

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War EagleEdited by Auburn9698 on 05/09/03 03:57 PM.

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