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Hello people,
I'm new here and sorta new at community boards.
My name is dean, and i'm a computer junkie. The time has come for me to build my own computer, and I don't know where to begin. Any suggestions?
I am working with a Pentium 11/ 300MH machine that I had built locally. I would like to upgrade one component at a time.
Any help out there? Thanks ...
deanpnw@msn.com

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Hi Dean,

What are you wanting to use the new computer for? I've noticed that you have a PII 300Mhz system and said you want to upgrade things one at a time. It's going to be costly to upgrade your system. You're probably better off building a new one. First things first is that we need to find out what you want to do on the new system. From that we can tell how much power you need. More than likely you'll have to upgrade the motherboard, processor and possibly ram all at the same time. If you want we can recommend some decent motherboards that can support your memory and the newer DDR memory or we can recommend some good options for the new stuff. Also if you can give us a price range we can usually find you a reputable dealer to buy inexpensive equipment from.

Je bent de meest onverschillige hasj dealende hoer die ik ooit heb ontmoet.

Reply to Yahiko81

Thanks for the speedy reply ......
I use my computer for doing graphics work. Corel Draw/Photopaint and Adobe Photoshop. The file sizes can get quite large and rendering things (filters), can really tax my machine.
I agree about upgrading the mobo and chipset. Is that where I start? What about a case? my current mid-tower is lacking. I only have a 200 watt power supply and I need ports in front. USB2.0, PS/2, firewire, etc.
I will probably go with an AMD 2200+ chipset, because that's what I can afford.
Plus, I just installed a lITE-ON 52x24x52 CDRW.
There, does that help ...
Oh yea, i'm on a very limited budget, so if I could keep this around $1000 or so, it would help.
Thanks again ...

Reply to deanpnw

Here is a system that I just built for someone:

11-129-122 CASE ANTEC|Sever Tower SLK3700AMB 1 $73.99
13-123-194 MB nFORCE2 EP-8RGA+ EPOX RTL 1 $139.00
19-103-379 CPU AMD|2500/333 ATHLON XP BARTON R 1 $133.00
20-145-416 (2) DDRAM 512MB 32MX8 PC-3200C2 COR% $214.00
21-103-202 FD 1.44MB|SAMSUNG SFD321B/LEB% 1 $7.00 $7.00
22-144-122 HD 80GB|WD 7200RPM 8MB WD800JB% 1 $94.00
23-109-105 KB MS|NATURAL KEYBOARD ELITE PS2% 1 $17.00
24-002-037 MNTR NEC|19" CRT FE991SB-BK RTL 1 $253.00
26-129-001 MOUSE|DSNR SCROLL PSII RTL 1 $0.01
27-106-184 CDRW 52x24x52|LITE ON LTR52246S RET 1 $47.00
27-131-113 DVD|LITE ON 16X XJ-HD166S/165H RET 1 $33.00
36-116-130 CAMBRIDGE SOUND WRKS SW320 RET 1 $36.00

Subtotal $1,047.00
Tax $0.00
Shipping and Handling charge $44.99
Amount Paid $1,091.99

I would recommend something similar to this if you can afford $1000. These prices were from <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com" target="_new">newegg</A>, which is a pretty reputable dealer. You said you already purchased a burner, if you used your same monitor, FDD, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and burner you could take off about $350 or so off of this price. The motherboard has built in video (which is fine because they won't be gaming) This system also overclocks very well. But if you are going to be using your computer in a work environment I wouldn't recommend it. These are just some suggestions to give you an idea.


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If you want you can also increase performance by getting a motherboard that supports serial ATA and a serial ATA hard drive.
Je bent de meest onverschillige hasj dealende hoer die ik ooit heb ontmoet.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Yahiko81 on 05/09/03 05:34 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to Yahiko81

For mobo, MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR or MSI K7N2-L would be a better choice.

AXP 2400+ is very cheap now. You can save some money here

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

That sounds like a nice system that you built. Do you do that for a living? Cool job!
I have some more questions for you, if you don't mind.
#1. Why a server case?
#2. What do these numbers mean?

11-129-122
13-123-194
19-103-379
20-145-416
21-103-202
22-144-122
23-109-105
24-002-037
26-129-001
27-106-184
27-131-113
36-116-130 ?
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#3. Where the heck did you find the Lite-on cdrw for $47.00? I just bought mine locally(after searching the internet, including newegg) for $59.00

Yahiko81, thanks for helping me out. This is a real learning experience for me.
One more thing. Can I buy a motherboard with integrated video and sound, that I can turn off when I install a video and sound cards?

Reply to deanpnw

Thanks for the suggestions my friend. I will check them out.
Is an AXP 2400+ the same as an AMD 2400+?

Reply to deanpnw

If this will be strictly 2D work and not any 3d, go for a Matrox G550.

Hilbert space is a big place.

Reply to Flamethrower205

At this point, all of my work has been 2D, but I wouldn't want to limit my options.
I'm thinking about a TI4200 type video card.What do you think?

Reply to deanpnw

AXP 2400+ is Athlon XP 2400+

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Yahiko doesn't seem to be answering right now, so I'll try to field your questions:

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I have some more questions for you, if you don't mind.
#1. Why a server case?


Cause it's good and big and easy to move around in. Antec makes great cases and great power supplies as well, all at a respectable price.

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#2. What do these numbers mean?

11-129-122
13-123-194
etc


They're probably just the part numbers from the store where he ordered them. He probably just copied and pasted from his order sheet.

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#3. Where the heck did you find the Lite-on cdrw for $47.00? I just bought mine locally(after searching the internet, including newegg) for $59.00


If you check pricewatch.com you can find them starting at $46.00. Also don't forget the power of mail-in rebates.

And now for my recommendations:

1) First off you're better off asking this question in one of the hardware forums, probably the motherboard or CPU section.

2) Here's my choices: You'll need a motherboard (mobo), CPU and RAM right away. You'll also likely need a new case or at least a new power supply (PSU). If you chose to you can recycle your mouse, keyboard, floppy and CDR indefinatly, and if you need to you can recycle your hard drive and graphics card (vid card) for a little while longer.

MOBO:
Definatly an nforce2 chipset. They're the fastest on the market right now and they're even compatible with the next generation of 400 MHz Athlons. You'll also want the MCP-T southbridge as it has the wicked onboard sound that's as good or better than an SB Audigy.

Recommendations: Asus A7N8X Deluxe on sale now at newegg for $131. If you want to go cheeper then get the Epox 8RDA+ also on sale at Newegg for $92. The epox board has no SATA or RAID, otherwise is the same as the Asus board.

RAM:
You'll need 2 sticks to take full advantage of the nforce2 mobo. Minimum specs should be pc2700 cas 2.5. You'd be better off and more futurproof with PC3200 cas 2, preferably matched pairs. The minimum you should consider is 512 Megs (256Megs x2).

Recommendations: 2x Corsair XMS 512MB PC-3200C2 With Heat Spreader ($109 each, $218 total) or 2x Crucial 256MB PC 2700 ($37 each, $74 total). All prices are newegg.

You may be better off buying your RAM local, as it is sometimes hard to get matched pairs that will work together right out of the box. You may have to exchange/upgrade and that's usually better off done localy. Just ask them upfront what the return/exchange policy is and wether they gaurentee matched pairs.

Usually you'll be okay if you buy 2 brand name sticks (Crucial, Micron, Corsair, some Samsung, some Kingston).

CPU:
Right now the "sweet spot" seems to be around an XP 2200+ ($82 at Newegg). I highly recommend getting the Retail instead of OEM unless your planning on overclocking. You get a longer warrenty and a good heatsink and fan (HSF) with retail.

CASE/PSU:
You're probably better off getting a case locally, as shipping costs for cases are usually quite high. Most generic cases now-a-days are pretty good, but the power supplies can be atrocious. An absolute bare minimum is a 300 watt PSU from a good manufacturer. I would recommend at least a 350 watt, especially if you're gettng a generic PSU. Also make sure that you're getting at least 1 rear case fan. More would be better so long as they're quiet.

I recommend Antec as a good, inexpensive case manufacturer that is common as dirt and can be found just about anywhere. I'm a big fan of the Antec SX1040. With a 400 Watt PSU it comes to $90 plus $18 shipping ($108 total) from Newegg. Now you see what I ment about shipping charges. Cheeper but still very nice would be the Antec SLK3700AMB with 350 Watt PSU at $69 plus $15 shipping ($84 total). You can probably find something generic locally for as little as $20, but I warn you again to watch that power suply.

Just about everyone agrees that Enermax and Antec make the best PSU's. Generic PSU's can be underpowered, noisey, and more prone to failure.

OTHER:
eventually you're going to want to replace your vid card and hard drive.

Your best bet for a vid card would be an ATI 8500/9000 pro/9100/9200 pro. They all perform about the same. They're great for 2D work and also respectible for 3D gaming. They start at around $70.

Above that is the Geforce Ti 4200. They're slightly worse for 2D but better for 3D, and cost around $120. Above that is the Radeon 9500 pro/9600 pro. 2D is as good as the other Radeons but the 3D is great, and they cost over $150. Above that is the Radeon 9700/9800. Again 2D is the same as the other Radeons but 3D is the best money can buy. And the money is quite alot at $250 or greater.

If you don't care about 3D at all than get a Matrox G450 or G550 card. They suck at 3D but are the best at 2D. They cost more than the Radeon 9000 though, $84 or $95 at Newegg.

Finally, Hard drives. Get as big as you can afford (80 or 120 GB usually). Must be 7200 RPM's. Right now SATA has no advantage over IDE other than the size of the wires. Typically the models with 2 meg cache have a 1 year warrenty and the models with the 8 meg cache have a 3 year warrenty, though there's not a heck of alot of performance difference between the 2. You can also RAID multiple hard drives to increase performance/reliability.

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knowan ...
thanks for all your info.
As I am currently unemployed, money is my main problem at the moment. So let me ask you this; if you could only buy one componet, which one would be first? Humor me, I'm an old man who came late to the computer party. lol

Reply to deanpnw

Sorry it took me so long to reply.

#1 I like large cases, more airflow, more room to work with, and more room for additions.

#2 Those numbers are just Newegg's part numbers. If you did a search on their site and put those in for the search criteria it'd take you directly to that item.

#3 :) I found it at newegg, PC prices fluxuate daily.

Yes, you can disable onboard sound, video, and LAN if you'd like. If money is tight and you can only afford to replace one item I'd suggest waiting a little bit. If you can't wait then it makes it a little bit more difficult.

Je bent de meest onverschillige hasj dealende hoer die ik ooit heb ontmoet.

Reply to Yahiko81

Well, like it's been stated many times you can't just put an Athlon or P4 CPU into your existing motherboard. Likewise you can't simply put your existing CPU into a modern motherboard. They're not pin compatible, the sockets are different. Likewise all modern mobo's accept only DDR ram, while you are using SDRam. Once again it's not pin compatible.

So you would have to replace your mobo, CPU and RAM all at the same time.

That would be my choice. With limited funds I would get the Epox mobo, the Athlon 2200+ and one stick of the Corsair DDR. Total cost $211. You won't get to take full advantage of the mobo with only one stick of RAM, but it'll still work great and you can always pick up another stick when you get more funds. Then I would hope and pray that my current power supply would hold up under all this.

I would also hope and pray that I have an actual video card in my current PC and not "onboard" graphics. If I did have onboard graphics then I would switch to the Biostar M7NCG mobo. For an additional $12 it includes an onboard GF4MX video card. Performance would take a real hit until I added that second stick of RAM or got a new video card, but it would still be better that what I currently have.

If I really did have to pick just one thing then I would look at the fact that this PC is to be used mostly for graphics work and not gaming and I would get a new hard drive. The 80 gig, 2meg cache 7200 RPM Western Digital WD800BB costs $84 at newegg and should give you lots of storage capacity.

Another option would be to PM Crashman. (see "send private message" on the left menu bar). I would tell him exactly what motherboard I have, or at least what chipset I have and he would be able to tell me what the best CPU is that I can put on my existing mobo. He's our local expert on fixing up and recycling older computers. At the very least if you did upgrade your mobo, CPU and ram he would be willing to take the old one off your hands.

Third option, though I like this one least of all, is to get the ECS K7S5A mobo and a new CPU. The ECS will accept SDRam, and so far as I know is the most modern board which does.

I don't like this option as much as the others. The K7S5A is not a great performer, it's very fickle about having a good power supply, and it wont accept even the current latest generation of Athlon CPU's (the Barton), much less the newer ones coming out soon. It also doesn't have onboard graphics so you may be forced to get a new vid card if you currently have onboard graphics. On the other hand it is cheep, $52 at newegg.

Oh and with truely limited funds, forget what I said about those Antec cases and just get the $20 generic case with a 300 Watt generic PSU from your local PC shop . It's not great but it'll work, and surprisingly it's usually cheeper to get a new case with PSU than it would be to get just a generic PSU on its own.

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