eq2 rumoured changes to combat on test?

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:24:26 GMT, Shadow <na@na.na> wrote:

>Can anyone give me the url ? I have been looking through the posts trying to find anythin specific but i must be missing
>it, either that or the guy in the crafting channel was pulling my leg.

General rule of thumb: If someone says there are changes on test and
you can't find any official test server patch notes to back it
up....someone's bullshitting you.

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Wulfbones wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:24:26 GMT, Shadow <na@na.na> wrote:
>
>>Can anyone give me the url ? I have been looking through the posts trying to find anythin specific but i must be missing
>>it, either that or the guy in the crafting channel was pulling my leg.
>
>
> A couple of months ago they moved some of the combat changes to test
> but they were backed out. None of the combat changes are on the test
> server at this time.
>
This is good, as I read they were making yellows much tougher, but when i do the solo splitpaw instance, it just seems
to be hordes of grouped yellow mobs.

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>> Can anyone give me the url ? I have been looking through the
>> posts trying to find anythin specific but i must be missing
>> it, either that or the guy in the crafting channel was pulling my leg.

>The first three stages of the combat update were on Test a couple
>months ago. The effect was that combat got _A LOT_ harder. They had
>to pull the changes down until they got finished revamping the player's
>spells/combat arts to balance out the changes.

What's the point? You get hit harder but you hit harder back? If
everything just scales up then its no net gain.

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dagon@dagon.net (Mark Rafn) wrote in
news:6rslo2-60d.ln1@hydra.dagon.net:

>>>The first three stages of the combat update were on Test a couple
>>>months ago. The effect was that combat got _A LOT_ harder. They had
>>>to pull the changes down until they got finished revamping the
>>>player's spells/combat arts to balance out the changes.
>
> BombayMix <bombaymix@altavista.co.uk> wrote:
>>What's the point? You get hit harder but you hit harder back? If
>>everything just scales up then its no net gain.
>
> The point is that not everything scales at the same rate. I don't
> think hit points changed, so scaling up damage overall is going to
> make for shorter fights. And since they've changed how stats affect
> things, it's going to scale differently for different classes and
> different individuals, changing the balance of the game.
>
> Unfortunately, Sony doesn't believe in sharing the overall design
> goals, or what problems they think they're addressing with any given
> change, so it's impossible to guess what they're actually trying to
> do. And they don't (historically, at least) understand how the actual
> complex system of the game actually works for a lot of players, so
> it's impossible for them to guess either.
>
> (Despite this, they somehow manage to make games that have a lot of
> fun available in them.)
>

Which is probably the most amazing thing of all.

I suspect that they probably do have a better understanding of these
things in EQ2 than in EQ1, but, I could be completely mistaken.

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BombayMix wrote:
> >> Can anyone give me the url ? I have been looking through the
> >> posts trying to find anythin specific but i must be missing
> >> it, either that or the guy in the crafting channel was pulling my leg.
>
> >The first three stages of the combat update were on Test a couple
> >months ago. The effect was that combat got _A LOT_ harder. They had
> >to pull the changes down until they got finished revamping the player's
> >spells/combat arts to balance out the changes.
>
> What's the point? You get hit harder but you hit harder back? If
> everything just scales up then its no net gain.

They hit harder because the INT and STR bonuses went into combat for
the mobs only. As a result, the mobs got harder (both melee and caster
wise), but the players didn't scale with them, because their side
wasn't done yet. To add on to that, the AGL and WIS portions weren't
completed yet, so the mobs got a ton tougher without the resists to
counter it.

It isn't that they hit harder and you hit harder. It is that stats and
the 'quality' (if I can use that word in this case) of spells are
actually going to make a difference now. By quality, I mean there will
be a visible progression and a desire to upgrade your spells. No more
of this Master spell adds +1AGL over an Adept 1 version. There will be
no more power increase while effectiveness decreases. There will be a
reason for mages (all mages) to worry about their INT instead of just
for a power pool. Everybody is going to worry about their WIS instead
of just healers (suddenly, that +21wis Combine Ceremonial Coif is
starting to look pretty damn good).

It is most definately not a zero-net gain change. The end effect is
that stats are going to be meaningful (whether I agree with them or
not), group mobs will actually NEED a group, encounters will be more
challenging, and that yellow con isn't going to keel over as easy as a
blue mob.