Tualatin 1.4GHz 512k at 150FSB?

camieabz · Nov 13, 2002

Is it possible?

I've spotted some 256MB sticks of Crucial PC-133 guarateed for PC150.

Be nice if I could add a serious S370 CPU to that.

Assume max of 512MB RAM with an Abit ST6-R for openers...AGP at 1/2 = 75MHz...Radeon DDR BTW...PCI at 37.5MHz and the CPU would run at 1575MHz.

Possible?

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Crashman · Nov 13, 2002

Easily possible if the CPU can go that high (not likely for most CPU's though).

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Unolocogringo · Nov 13, 2002

My 1.26/512 does 1583 easily@166fsb 3/2/2/7/9. after that my memory cant handle any more unless I run 3/3/3/7/9 which then kills the overclock and scores lower. Or I get memory errors.

I can boot up at 170fsb but Mad Onion sends me back to the desktop. So I'm still looking for some PC166 cas2 memory but have'nt found it yet.

You should have no problems at all at 1.6v to 1.65v at 150fsb. Might even do it at stock voltage.

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camieabz · Nov 13, 2002

I assume stock cooling is fine too?

What sort of performance do you get in relation to XPs and P4s Rick? Be curious to know if I'm wasting my cash on a CPU and memory, when I could be getting a cheap XP solution.

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Unolocogringo · Nov 13, 2002

My scores are a little above and a little below a P4 2.0gig or an Athlon 2000+. On Mad Onion I score 10299 with a G4 4200 at 285/570 at 1425mhz 150fsb memory at 2/2/2/7/9 with the 40.72 drivers.

I only have 1 256mb stick that will run at 166fsb and that is at 3/2/2/7/9. Just havent tried it with the new drivers yet.

I can also play UT2003 at 1024x768x32 with all detail settings set to max or highest setting possible.With no skips, stutters or slowdowns.

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camieabz · Nov 14, 2002

Hmmm. So I can expect a 150 (1575) to run in line with a P4 of the same CPU speed then...

Not bad for a memory/CPU upgrade. I assume an Aopen 300W PSU will handle it too. Looks like it has the same voltage and wattage spec as the 1.2GHz Celery.

I'm £175 for the tully and about £85 for the memory, £260. Or I can get an XP1700+ solution with 512MB PC2100 and a cheapo mobo...but I reckon I'll need a 350W PSU with that.

Hmmm...

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Unolocogringo · Nov 14, 2002

Yes a P3 Tualatin/512 performs a little better than a Athlon at the same speed.Plus a P3 is a simple cpu swap for you. With no need for a noisy H/F.

Many people will argue that the AMD is a cheaper route,but cheaper is not always better. Especially if you have to buy a new powersupply,memory,motherboard,H/F. And then the hassle of a complete OS reinstall. And software reinstall.

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camieabz · Nov 14, 2002

Sold!!!

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jclw · Nov 15, 2002

A bunch of people over at overclockers.com run their PIII-S chips in the 1700-1800 range so I think 1575 (150FSB) would be a walk in the park.

My Celeron-1200 tB1 (made 29th week of 2002, Malaysia) runs @1700 (142FSB) at 1.70 Vcore on a TUSL2-C with an old junky heatsink from a Tbird-900. It'll do 1600 (133FSB) at the default 1.50 Vcore.

Rick: Re PC166: <A HREF="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=45&threadid=901621&highlight_key=y" target="_new">http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=45&threadid=901621&highlight_key=y</A>

- JW

Edited by JCLW on 11/15/02 04:43 PM.

Crashman · Nov 15, 2002

Hmmm. So I can expect a 150 (1575) to run in line with a P4 of the same CPU speed then...

NO!!! Such a configuration would be roughly equal to a P4 1.8A in performance!

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jclw · Nov 16, 2002

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- JW

Edited by JCLW on 11/16/02 10:41 PM.

tombance · Nov 16, 2002

Where did you get that price for a 1.4? At MicroDirect a p3 1.2-s is like £190. However, if a 1.4 really does perform that high, I might think about keeping my setup and upgrading my p3 750 rather than my whole setup

That would be sweet

Crashman · Nov 17, 2002

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jclw · Nov 17, 2002

errr... wow... OK...

Crashman: I'm sorry I offended you, I do respect your opinions (even if I don't agree) and recognise your point about baseline scores vs performance systems is completely valid.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever discussed Sandra baseline vs real world scores with you before.

I will delete my previous post and approach this from a different angle. I'll post my specs and benchmark scores without comparisons and invite other people to post their results.

Specs:
Celeron-1200 tB1 @1704mhz @1.80vcore
Asus TUSL2-C rev1.04
64mb PC100 CL3
ATI PCI Mach64 4mb video
5gb ATA-33 Quantum Fireball

I just downloaded Sandra 2003.1.9.26:
Arithmetic MIPS: 4655
Arithmetic MFLOPS: 2292
Multi-media int: 8992
Multi-media FP: 11291

Clibench MKIII SMP 0.7.15:
Drystone 2.1: 3805 MIPS
Whetstone: 983 MFLOPS
Eight Queens: 6238 pps
Matrix Ops: 56516 k ops
FP Ops: 13173 k ops

I'll run whatever other processor benchmarks people want, but with my 64mb of PC100 and ATI PCI video there's no point in me running game benchmarks.

Crashman: Can you post your results for your 1000EB and whatever other chips you are currently running?

Rick Criswell: Can you post results for your 1.26-S?

Can anyone else add any P4 or XP scores for comparison?

- JW

Crashman · Nov 17, 2002

Er, this could be embarising for me, but aren't you the one who actually posted a thread that their overclocked Celeron could beat Pentium 4's a couple months ago, and used Sandra baselines as proof? If not, I would be TERRIBLY sorry for mistaking you for them!

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jclw · Nov 17, 2002

I don't think it was me. I've only had this celeron (which is my first personal celeron ever) for a little over two weeks. We have celerons on i810 boards in Dell workstations at work, but they don't get much overclocking.

<A HREF="http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137751&perpage=50&pagenumber=1" target="_new">Here's a good P4 1.8A @3.5 set of scores:</A>

Specs:
Northwood 1.8A C1 @3501mhz @1.575Vcore
Abit IT7

Sandra:
Arithmetic MIPS: 6912
Arithmetic MFLOPS: 3368
Multi-media int: 14005
Multi-media FP: 17368

- JWEdited by JCLW on 11/16/02 11:19 PM.

Crashman · Nov 17, 2002

Oh, if you want me to bench my system to match, would you please send me the exact same benchmark revisions? You can PM me to make arrangements.

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Crashman · Nov 17, 2002

OMG! Let me go back and delete that post!

You're posting in a forum with class. It may be third class, but it's still class!

jclw · Nov 17, 2002

Sisoft Sandra 2003.1.9.26: <A HREF="http://www.ocaddiction.com/downloads/utilities/sisoft/sandraStd-ONU-9260.zip" target="_new">http://www.ocaddiction.com/downloads/utilities/sisoft/sandraStd-ONU-9260.zip</A> (4.93mb)

Clibench mk III smp 0.7.15 (win32 i386): <A HREF="http://glibench.sourceforge.net/pub/clibench-0.7.15.zip" target="_new">http://glibench.sourceforge.net/pub/clibench-0.7.15.zip</A> (158kb)

Note: for clibench run one thread per logical CPU. You don't have to fill in all the info when you run the tests.

- JW

Edited by JCLW on 11/16/02 11:35 PM.

Crashman · Nov 17, 2002

Crap, I can't post these lame scores, they're all lower than yours.

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Unolocogringo · Nov 17, 2002

P3 1.26@1583mhz 166fsb memory 256mb 3/2/2/7/9
Sandra results
Cpu Arithmetic

ALU 4235
WHET 2327

Cpu Multimedia

Integer 8330
F/P 10447

RAM Int. 1248
RAM F/P 1244

Clibench results
Dhrystone 2.1 3478
Whetstone 1176
Eight queens problem 5813
Matrix operations 75344
Number crunch 112980
Floating point 12000
Memory throughput 303840

I aint signing nothing!!!

camieabz · Nov 18, 2002

ahem...<A HREF="http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=19859&t=476&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=4&GrpID=7&s=pl" target="_new">Komplett</A>...and add about £7 for delivery.

LoL!

I missed the excitement. Looks like I opened a hornet's nest here. Calm down guys.

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jclw · Nov 19, 2002

No one is sending any results so I can only post differences between Rick's system and my own... and a Celery-1000 from work... and my dual PIII-800Es...

- JW

jclw · Nov 19, 2002

BTW: The chip I have (Celery-1200) is only £35 and keeps up with Rick's P3-1266-S in most tests (sorry Rick) when I run it at 1700.

[edit]
To be fair I should mention I VID pin modded my Celeron to 1.65v default.
[/edit]

- JW

Edited by JCLW on 11/19/02 03:30 PM.

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