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October 26, 2012 10:31:07 PM

Just a few questions. Can this gaming rig.

- Power Supply: OCZ CoreXtreme 500w PSU
- CPU: Intel Core i3 3220 3.30GHz Dual Core CPU
- Motherboard: Gigabyte H61MA-D2V Intel H61 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard
- Cooler: Stock Intel CPU Cooler
- RAM: Geil Black Dragon 8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz C11 DDR3 Dual Channel Kit
- Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 7850 1024MB
- Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit

Run the following games at max/ultra, even with AA, Vsync, ?

- World of Tanks & World of Warplanes
- Firefall
- Planetside 2
- BF3
- Arma 2 / Day Z
- Guild Wars 2
- Borderlands 2
October 26, 2012 11:07:27 PM

Hi :) 

NO for some of them like BF3 ...not enough graphics card or cpu....

All the best Brett :) 
a b 4 Gaming
October 26, 2012 11:37:29 PM

You can run them all on max but to get good FPS you will need to lower some settings. They will all run very well at good enough settings just not maxed. I am basing this on a 1080 monitor at very low res you may be able to play them all maxed.
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October 27, 2012 6:59:56 AM

K thank you guys :) 

Just found this video with less powerful graphic card and cpu, and running the game in ultra with AA disabled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuZFOrnZkrE

So ya I think I'll be able to run BF3 at ultra oh ye (Maybe....)! :D 



a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 8:14:52 AM

^

That video clearly says medium settings and look at the resolution...
a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 8:30:28 AM

Did you even read the description? It's medium as well.
October 27, 2012 8:34:04 AM

Oh haha, anyway seems like I'm off and save some more money to buy a decent rig. :) 

Thanks again.
a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 8:36:38 AM

The rig you chose is pretty good, but just don't expect to play Battlefield 3 on maximum settings, because it's a very demanding game.
a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 8:51:36 AM

Zhou said:
Should I save up few more £ and buy a HD 7870 instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFBLsDExahA


Nooooo. You'd only be stepping up a single tiny increment. Unless you're getting a full refund for your existing card, not a smart purchase. You'd really want to step up to a GTX670 for a genuinely appreciable performance boost over what you already have (since it's a pretty fast card anyway). You could hopefully get a decent second hand price for selling your current card.
October 27, 2012 8:58:37 AM

Oh okay. :) 

Can you also recommend me a CPU that wouldn't bottleneck GTX670?
October 27, 2012 9:21:56 AM

Match the below stuff with a 670 is the MINIMUM if you want to be running BF3 at ultra and it depends on you getting a decent overclock from that CPU. The total spend would be around £650 excluding Windows.


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Quad Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/26599/HDZ955FBGMBOX/CP...

Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 PCI-Express ATX Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/77029/GA-970A-DS3/Moth...

Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9 LP Vengeance Memory 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Two Module Kit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/61774/CML8GX3M2A1600C9...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Hard Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66223/ST500DM002/Hard-...

CCL Choice 22x DVD+/-RW Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/92980/CCL-DVDRW-BLK-52...

Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case
http://www.cclonline.com/product/79782/CCC-AE37BS-U02/C...

OCZ ZS Series 550W 80+ Bronze Power Supply
http://www.cclonline.com/product/60911/OCZ-ZS550W-UK/Po...

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/...

OR if you can afford it this is around £800 (excluding windows)

Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73989/BX80637I53570K/C...

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/78336/GA-Z77X-UD3H/Mot...

Palit GeForce GTX 670 Jetstream Graphics Card
http://www.cclonline.com/product/82247/NE5X670H1042-104...

OCZ ZS Series 650W Power Supply 80+ Plus Bronze
http://www.cclonline.com/product/60912/OCZ-ZS650W-UK/Po...

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.cclonline.com/product/76740/RR-212E-16PK-R1/...

Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9 LP Vengeance Memory 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Two Module Kit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/61774/CML8GX3M2A1600C9...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Hard Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66223/ST500DM002/Hard-...

CCL Choice 22x DVD+/-RW Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/92980/CCL-DVDRW-BLK-52...

Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case
http://www.cclonline.com/product/79782/CCC-AE37BS-U02/C...
October 27, 2012 9:31:30 AM

Thank you very much! I'll save up £800 and come back to this thread. :) 


Thanks again.
October 27, 2012 9:42:02 AM

The AMD build would do it you could use a new FX6300 in place of the Phenom II for a little bit more. Or If you wanted to shave off some ££ on the Intel build you could get a i5 3570 (not the k), a cheaper b75 board (as you can't overclock the non K CPU so don't need z77) and ditch the Hyper 212 cooler, that would save around £80.

I'm assuming here you are gaming at 1920X1080 resolution (1080p) and want a solid 60FPS. Also keep in mind the visual difference between BF3 ultra and BF3 high is barely anything but the difference you need to spend for ultra is +£100, if high is good enough a GTX660ti with that AMD build would be fine.
a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 10:09:03 AM

wr6133 said:
if high is good enough a GTX660ti with that AMD build would be fine.


Skip the GTX660 Ti. The performance gain is negligible. It's priced it midway between the GTX660 and GTX670, but performance is much closer to that of the GTX660 (which can be had for £60 less, check Dabs for an excellent deal).
October 27, 2012 10:56:37 AM

I agree the 660 is better bang for your buck but negligible depends what games you play.

I won't cherry pick the benches you can see them all here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=647 it all depends what you want to play at what settings in some things the difference there is worth the extra in some there is no difference

Really depends what you can budget it's arguable though that if you budget £220 for a 660ti then finding an extra £60 for a 670 is not a huge step and also I would say on a gaming machine finding the extra £50 to go from a 660 to a 660ti could be worth it if you play the titles where there is a good increase.
October 27, 2012 11:04:37 AM

Sorry I'm back again, but my friend also want to buy a graphic card, he'll be playing Borderlands 2 and World of Tanks & Planes with me, this is his current rig with no graphic card at the moment.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX LGA1155
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V

His in dilemma and don't know which one to buy between the two MSI card.

MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB £166.39

Or

MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB £180.94
a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 12:22:27 PM

It is, but then it runs on the CPU instead of the GPU. Hence the lower performance on AMD cards. The difference will be even bigger, because the tests were done with much more powerful CPU.
a b 4 Gaming
October 27, 2012 12:27:28 PM

wr6133 said:
I agree the 660 is better bang for your buck but negligible depends what games you play.

I won't cherry pick the benches you can see them all here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=647 it all depends what you want to play at what settings in some things the difference there is worth the extra in some there is no difference

Really depends what you can budget it's arguable though that if you budget £220 for a 660ti then finding an extra £60 for a 670 is not a huge step and also I would say on a gaming machine finding the extra £50 to go from a 660 to a 660ti could be worth it if you play the titles where there is a good increase.


Well 10% represents the difference between 30fps and 33fps - not really a game changer and probably not a huge deal to most gamers. I'd be interested if you find an example of 20%+ gain (I won't call it cherry-picking).

Not really a big deal either way though - you're not going to end up regretting either purchase (except if you went Ti you might regret not going the rest of the way to a 670 I suppose). Both strong performers anyway.
October 28, 2012 12:13:48 AM

Hello again, tonight my friend told me that she'll give me a new computer, with no operating systems included. She asked me to choose between the two.

Please help me choose between these two builds:

EDIT: Quick question, does all GTX 660 Ti purchase guarantee a free Borderland 2 digital steam activation code?
EDIT: Just as wr6133 advice, I would want to ask, for the AMD rig, if the Cooler and the Power Supply are enough to OC X4 955 BE to 3.6 or 3.8, maybe even to 4.0 (I wish! 0_0).

INTEL CPU

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core (£159.95)
CPU Cooler: Corsair CAFA50 61.0 CFM (£25.99)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 (£66.11)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 (£26.59)
Storage: A-Data S510 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD (£65.00)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB (£180.94)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Orange ATX Mid Tower (£26.99)
Power Supply: XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V (£49.98)

Total: £601.55

AMD CPU

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core (£59.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Vortex Plus 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing (£17.27)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ (£65.75)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 (£59.98)
Storage: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SSD (£64.99)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB (£233.59)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower (£36.72)
Power Supply: OCZ 550W ATX12V (£63.98)

Total: £602.27
a b 4 Gaming
October 28, 2012 7:46:15 AM

The first setup is kind of strange, because the motherboard doesn't allow overclocking while the CPU needs to be overclocked. Though, it is a better setup nevertheless. Are those your only options?
October 28, 2012 8:41:32 AM

Zhou said:
Hello again, tonight my friend told me that she'll give me a new computer, with no operating systems included. She asked me to choose between the two.

Please help me choose between these two builds:

EDIT: Quick question, does all GTX 660 Ti purchase guarantee a free Borderland 2 digital steam activation code?
EDIT: Just as wr6133 advice, I would want to ask, for the AMD rig, if the Cooler and the Power Supply are enough to OC X4 955 BE to 3.6 or 3.8, maybe even to 4.0 (I wish! 0_0).

INTEL CPU

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core (£159.95)
CPU Cooler: Corsair CAFA50 61.0 CFM (£25.99)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 (£66.11)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 (£26.59)
Storage: A-Data S510 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD (£65.00)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 2GB (£180.94)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Orange ATX Mid Tower (£26.99)
Power Supply: XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V (£49.98)

Total: £601.55

AMD CPU

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core (£59.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Vortex Plus 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing (£17.27)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ (£65.75)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 (£59.98)
Storage: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SSD (£64.99)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB (£233.59)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower (£36.72)
Power Supply: OCZ 550W ATX12V (£63.98)

Total: £602.27


These builds don't make sense.

The intel build.... if you dont get a z77 motherboard then just get a 3570 (not the K version) as you can't overclock it. If you then dont OC just use stock cooler, if you OC get a hyper 212 or if you want cheaper a TX-3 (both coolermaster). There is no hardrive.... you really need one for storage unless you really think you only need 128GB of storage.

The AMD. TX-3 would be a better cooler. Why 16GB RAM it is overkill drop it to 8GB, get the same PSU as the Intel build and save some £. Same harddrive issue (or lack of) and buy the same case as the Intel

As they are in the list above I would take the Intel though either build being GPU limited will game about the same in most titles. If her budget limit is £600 (a guess as they both at that figure) I would take the AMD, make the changes I said above and then with the cash saved buy a 500GB hard drive as either of those builds big problem for daily use is that you will fill that SSD up fast.

The free borderlands 2 is dependent on buying a card that is part of the offer. It will say on the products page if it takes part.
October 28, 2012 1:48:52 PM

We both apologizes, we're not really computer experts. Anyway our budget are £1300. £650 each.

As you advice, she change the build to these:


INTEL

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core £157.87
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing £26.65
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 £64.52
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 £26.59
Storage: A-Data S510 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD £65.00
Storage: Western Digital WD Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM Free
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB £233.59
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Orange ATX Mid Tower £26.99
Power Supply: XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V £49.98

Total: £651.19

AMD

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core £59.99
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing £26.65
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 £83.98
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 £26.59
Storage: OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5" SSD £64.99
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.D 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM £52.99
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB £233.59
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Orange ATX Mid Tower £26.99
Power Supply: OCZ 550W ATX12V £63.98

Total: £639.75


Also just some questions.
1. Is it possible to overclock this AMD build? Also is it possible to buy a much cheaper motherboard that can overclock 955 BE?
2. I have a Windows Vista and Windows 7 32-bit. Can I upgrade it to Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, the £25 digital one from here, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/buy?
3. Does the MSI 660 Ti from Scans.co.uk comes with a Borderland 2 coupon?

Thank you for your time, and sorry for the trouble. :) 
October 28, 2012 2:13:52 PM

Windows - Depends are your current versions full retail?

Yes you can overclock that AMD build

The Intel motherboard read this http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/10/msi_z77ag41_l... reviews really dont get worse. I would take this for a fiver more http://www.cclonline.com/product/81539/GA-Z77-DS3H/Moth...

Get the XFX PSU for both builds it is better than the OCZ and a tenner less.

A 3rd option would be to make the Intel build X2 but only 1 with an SSD to stay in budget, it's a newer stronger CPU. SSD is not essential one could always be added later, all it does is make your OS and games load up faster.

October 28, 2012 2:18:09 PM

Also not sure on borderlands, email and ask them they have not labeled which cards do
a b 4 Gaming
October 28, 2012 6:12:32 PM

I5 3570K with a motherboard that can overclock and a Radeon 7950 £620 http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/lIpw there is only the stock cooler and no SSD included though.
October 28, 2012 6:39:43 PM

I emailed the store already just waiting for them to reply. Also I think my windows keys are retails and not just for one motherboard use.

Sorry but what do you mean by make the Intel build X2?

Also thanks simon12, we might decide to buy SSD later. :) 
October 28, 2012 6:57:09 PM

BF and Arma - no.
October 28, 2012 7:08:10 PM

Zhou said:
I emailed the store already just waiting for them to reply. Also I think my windows keys are retails and not just for one motherboard use.

Sorry but what do you mean by make the Intel build X2?

Also thanks simon12, we might decide to buy SSD later. :) 


I assumed you were planning to make 1 of each build. I would make both as the Intel build just drop the SSD on 1 of them and get a HDD to stay in budget
October 30, 2012 12:09:56 AM

Hello, back again. Me and my friend are considering changing the AMD rig to this, so please tell us what you think?

We also decide to increase the PSU to 650w since we want to overclock the Phenom II 965 BE to 4.0, because they say it will bottleneck the HD 7950 OC and also because we've read something about capacitor aging over time.

AMD

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core £71.95
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing £26.65
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 £83.98
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 £26.59
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM £52.98
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB £215.98
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Orange ATX Mid Tower £26.99
Power Supply: XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V £49.98
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer £11.96

Total: £567.06

OR

Video Card: MSI R7950 Twin Frozr 3GD5/OC £259.99
Power Supply: XFX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V £67.28

Total: £628.37

OR

Video Card: MSI GTX 660 Ti Power Edition 2GB GDDR5 £252.00

OPTIONAL

Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-K6800 £10.84
Mouse: Gigabyte GM-M6800 Wired Optical £8.99

Total: £586.89 or £648.20

Some questions again (Sorry.):

1. Should I buy the HD 7950, and keep the XFX 550 Power Supply?
2. Which 660 Ti is much better, MSI or Zotac? A £260.04 Zotac GTX 660 Ti include a free Borderland 2 steam coupon.
3. Can you please give me a link to a tutorial of how to overclock a Phenom II X4 965 BE to 3.8 or 4.0? Because we were told not to mess with the voltage but some say we need to change it.


Thank you,
October 30, 2012 1:19:52 AM

can i get this around brisbane
October 30, 2012 1:34:22 AM

Please don't hijack my thread, and I don't know, these are from UK stores. :) 
October 30, 2012 1:38:22 AM

ya i dident mean to do that everything just went weird on my pc and may of coppyed that soz
a b 4 Gaming
October 30, 2012 5:23:38 AM

1. Yes, buying HD 7950 with 550W is a good idea. You don't really need 650 watt unit.
2. I personally think it's MSI.
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