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RE:Need help on o/cing a Athlon 1700+

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February 1, 2003 1:32:24 PM

hi pple...i need advice on o/cing my pretty new 1700+ @1.47ghz...wats e very 1st ting i should do?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
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40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
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February 1, 2003 2:46:47 PM

This guide will teach you everything about AMD OC'ing: <A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=..." target="_new">AMD OC Guide</A>

If you got the Athlon XP1700+ with T-bred core (rectangular insrtead of square) your multiplier will already be unlocked.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 2, 2003 1:25:10 PM

how do i find out wat core my processor uses?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
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February 2, 2003 1:41:16 PM

The easiest way is to take a look at the CPU core on the CPU and see if it is square (which means that it is a Palomino) or rectangular (which means that it is a T-bred).
You can also check what the default voltage is for your CPU... if it is 1.75V it is a Palomino, if it is 1.5V it is a T-bred.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 2, 2003 1:54:55 PM

ok thanx man...btw have u seen THG's 3rd video on e water cooling system?if u have...can u tell me how i can get it?(i live in S'pore)

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 2, 2003 2:14:07 PM

Yes, I've seen the 3rd video about the Innovatek watercooling kit (also named Klax in The Netherlands). I don't know if they have any resellers in Singapore, and their site doesn't have a list of them... however you can contact them at info@innovatek.de to ask for nearby resellers.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 2, 2003 2:38:05 PM

ok thanx...i have emailed them already...i want to know another thing...say i buy e cooling kit now n use it on my current computer...n a few yrs later i buy a new computer n i want to use e same cooling kit i bought on it...would e same cooling kit still be compatible with whatever new computer system that i purchase?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 2, 2003 3:36:01 PM

Well the radiator, pump tubes would... but the CPU waterblock is made to fit on a specific socket. It will probably work on future CPUs but you will need a different mounting system for it, which can be bought or made by yourself.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 2, 2003 3:55:44 PM

hmnn...icic...btw can i use the 2nd THG video to help me unlock my 1700+?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 2, 2003 4:00:59 PM

Well if it is a T-bred CPU you wont need to unlock it because those CPUs come factory unlocked.
But if it is a Palomino CPU you can follow the instructions in the second video to learn how to unlock it.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 2, 2003 4:58:11 PM

icic...do u have any idea how to use PowerStrip to o/c my graphics card?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 3, 2003 2:27:52 PM

Sorry, I don't know anything about Radeon overclocking... but I'm sure you can find the answer in the Overclocking - 3D Chips section.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 3, 2003 3:07:46 PM

yeah thanx...i will take a look there...but i have a few more queries...
1)does heatsink=CPU fan?
2)where is e chassis fan located?
3)wat r e different fans inside a casing n wat do they cool?
4)wat fan would u recommend for my AMD Athlon XP 1700+ that i m abt to o/c?(not too noisy n inexpensive)
5)wat thermal paste should i buy?
6)y was i able to change e multipliers of my CPU through BIOS even though i haven unlocked it?(Palomino core)

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 3, 2003 4:08:26 PM

1. Well the CPU fan is only the fan of the CPU heatsink... but if you mean the CPU fan header on the motherboard then yes.
2. The chassisfan doesn't come with all cases... with chassis fan they just mean case fan.
3. Well you got the following fans, but they are not always present in every system:
CPU fan, northbridge fan (cools motherboard northbridge), videocard fan, powersupply fan (fan(s) inside your powersupply), casefan (for air circulation inside your case and blowing hot air out of it), HD fan (cools harddrive).
4. Well I don't know a very cheap and good performing heatsink, but the best ones are the Volcano 7(+), Swiftech MCX-462 and Alpha PAL8045. The volcano comes with a fan with 3 different speed setting, and you can choose a quiet fan for the Swiftech or Alpha heatsink. Tom's review of Socket A fans might also help choosing a inexpensive but good and quiet fan.
5. Well if you want the best you should buy Arctic Silver 2 or 3... but be sure that you only use a very thin layer of it on your CPU.
6. You shouldn't be able to change the multiplier of your CPU inside the BIOS or with jumpers if you have a locked Palomino.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 4, 2003 2:30:11 AM

Quote:
6. You shouldn't be able to change the multiplier of your CPU inside the BIOS or with jumpers if you have a locked Palomino

I can change mine as well A7S333 XP1800+, however it won't make post at anything other than default (11.5 for mine) :(  until you unlock it.

:eek:  <b>Who needs heatsinks and fans, I have an igloo</b> :eek: 
February 4, 2003 9:00:22 AM

i m a liitle confused...wat does e heatsink cool?n u mean there is a seperate fan to be fixed onto e heatsink?would the heatsinks n thermal paste u mentioned be available in s'pore?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 4, 2003 3:24:39 PM

The heatsink + fan for the CPU (or HSF which means HeatSink Fan) consists out of a heatsink and a fan on it. This can be called, CPU-cooler, CPU-fan or CPU heatsink for short.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 5, 2003 10:26:53 AM

thank u...so how is thermal paste used n how would it benefit me if i use it?wat is e difference between Arctic Silver II n Arctic Silver III?(the price gap is quite big)
also...wat is Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive (Part A + Part B) used for?lastly...where can i find e review for socket A fans in THG?(used 'search' but couldn't find it)

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 5, 2003 6:28:20 PM

For cpu coolers, you could go on the THG home page...or even easier, go here <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030113/index.html" target="_new">http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030113/index.html&lt;/A>
Arctic silver 2 or 3 help with the heat transfer between your cpu and hsf. 3 is supposed to be better than 2, but I don't know by how much.
Thermal adhesive is a thermal compound that can be used to glue or stick things together.

"Hey!! Who's that hiding behind the bush??!...Well Wingding of course!"
February 6, 2003 2:32:04 AM

any guidelines for applying thermal paste?(any pics of how to do it?)
my current HSF is fixed very tightly to my CPU n i dare not use too much force on it...anybody can tell me how to remove it?(it is hooked to e top n bottom of e CPU)
wats e optimal temp for my CPU n system?(hardware doctor can only measure these two)n wats e max these 2 temps should go up to?


Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 7, 2003 1:31:35 AM

ahhh...dats a pretty interesting website....thanx...wat abt the temps?wat r e optimal n max temps of CPU n System?n does higher RPM of cpu fan mean better cooling?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 7, 2003 6:10:53 AM

Yes, higher fan RPM's means better cooling on the HSF. Optimum temps. Well it varies. I get worried if I get over 50c. Others around here have ran @ 65c. If your in the 40's to 50's you should be fine. I'm running 36c idle & 42c under load.

Temps are sometimes hard to get a handle on. Most MOBO temp. probes don't read temps right. MotherBoard Monitor is supposed to be more accurate. I've never gotten MBM to run right for me though. It must be some way I'm not assigning the probes right with it.

Feel the heat sink on the CPU after it's been under load. If it feels warm to the touch, but not hot, It's fine. If it's hot enough that you pull your hand back from it real fast, look at all sources for cooling I.E. case fans, HSF & case air flow. If it actually burns your hand it's to dam hot.

Hope that answers your question.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 7, 2003 3:49:42 PM

The temps u mentioned r for CPU or System?i use Winbond's Hardware Doctor(provided with the mobo) n it only shows CPU temp n System temp.my system temp has nvr gone beyond 40 degree celsius,but as for my CPU temp...idle @ 50,n load @ 53-55.is this abnormal?my CPU fan averages 7000RPM(a hell lot of noise)so could it be that it is inefficent, thus causing my CPU to go up to 50s?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 7, 2003 4:26:49 PM

That would be my guess. The CPU temp. seems high to me, but I'd get Motherboard Monitor & check the temp's. It's supposed to be accurate. You're HSF may not be mounted correctly & that would cause the high temps.

Is it hot to the touch? If it's not hot to the touch & your stable, I wouldn't worry about it. I've seen on board monitors be off 20c to 30c. Get the MBM & check it.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 7, 2003 4:45:38 PM

well...i have MBM...but i have absolutely no idea how to configure it properly! when i click 'dashboard' i can only see the values for core voltages n my CPU speed.there r Sensors 1 2 n 3,Fan 1 2 n 3 but they r all shown as 0.how can i make MBM show e temps n RPMs?n 1 more very IMPT qn, is it advisable to remove a side panel of my CPU casing for better cooling?(it makes a difference of 5 degree celsius)i have heard frm friends dat dust will collect over time n cause overheating probs if i leave it exposed.so now i m stuck in between,can somebody offer advice on this?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 7, 2003 5:08:14 PM

Well I mentioned that I haven't had any luck configuring MBM either. I said it was accurate, but didn't say I know how to run it.

I wouldn't take the side off your case. I did that for awhile myself & found that the CPU & Vid Card fans loaded up with dust, thus creating more heat.

Are you afraid to take the side off the case & feel the HSF? That is what I'd do the minute I thought anything was over heating.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 8, 2003 2:30:43 AM

nope i do not have case fans.is it really necessary?i m not prepared to discard my currrent casing n buy a new casing with case fans unless it is absolutely necessary.

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 2:35:04 AM

glad to know dat i m not e only one having probs with MBM...anybody care to teach the both of us?

r u saying dat i should touch it while my computer is running or after i juz switched it off?n which part should i touch?(the fan or wat?)

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 9:52:34 AM

Well I recommend you buy atleast one 80mm fan (no need to buy an entire new case) and install it somewhere in the upper rear of your case blowing the hot air out... that should decrease your temps. You seem to have high case temps... and you can buy whatever cpu cooler you want, but with high case temps they wont cool your CPU further down.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 8, 2003 10:21:49 AM

You can touch it running or not. Touch the HS itself & not the fan.

If you have no case fans, that's the answer. You do need them for sure. I have 4 of them running in my rig. 4 80 mm. fans on Smart fan arrangement. That way they speed up & slow down as needed, Antec TruePower PSU's are the only ones I know that work that way. It's still a way quiet rig & I've never heard the fans spin up.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 8, 2003 10:31:38 AM

does dat mean i have to drill holes on my casing to install case fans?(my casing has no holes for case fans)

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 10:37:18 AM

wat is Smart fan arrangement?how do u make ur fans speed up or slow down as needed?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 10:45:35 AM

I'd get a new case & PSU. I'd recommend the Antec 1080 AMG. It has a 430 w TruePower PSU & comes with 3 80 mm. fans that you can run as I said before.

If your going to drill & cut holes in your case I'd be very, very careful. If the metal shavings fall on the MOBO, slots or anything it could short out the whole machine causing all kinds of damage. If it were me, I only mod the case empty, no MOBO, no nothing inside.

I have 2 fans on the rear (well 3 really with the PSU fan) a fan in the front of the case in front of the HDD bay & one on the side door blowing in for the vid & pci cards.

The other thing is it needs to be neat inside the case so as not to disrupt the air flow. If you have the wires & cables hanging all over, it will still not cool as well as it should either.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 8, 2003 10:51:05 AM

It's built into the Antec TruePower PSU. you can read about it yourself <A HREF="http://www.antec-inc.com/pro_en_perfPlusAmg.html" target="_new"> Here </A>.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 8, 2003 4:26:40 PM

i have seen the website...i know it has 2 fans built into the PSU...but y do u say dat it comes with 3 fans?also...izzit true dat e Antec TruePower PSU can control e fan speed of any fans connected to it?

i have visited the website but it says nothing abt Smart fan arrangement...care to explain?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 4:47:50 PM

It comes with 2 fans in the PSU & 2 fans in the case. You have to look at the TruePower Supply on that same page to see how it controls the fans,

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 9, 2003 3:53:54 AM

well...theres 1 thing i really can't understand...it says dat Antec New Low Noise Technology controls the fans within the PSU n fans connected to it with its temp sensor inside the PSU.'The power supply fans run at the lowest speed appropriate to load and conditions, controlled by an advanced temperature response system.'i mean wats the point?
i attach my case fans to the PSU,then it adjusts the RPMs according to the temp in the PSU.then wat for i install case fans?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 9, 2003 9:29:19 AM

You don't need that case if you don't want it. What you do need is ventilation in the case. How do you expect heat to get out of a case with no fans? That's how an oven works, heat with no way to get out. It cooks things doesn't it?

Modern computers all use case fans to exhaust heat that burns up components, I.E. 1 fan exhausting heat out of the back of the case is a bare minimum. But in order for cool air to be pulled into the case you need at least a hole about the same size n the front of the case to let the rear fan pull in cool air.

So if you don't want to equip your system with at least the minimum cooling, you'll be unstable & burning up Parts. That's completely up to you. However you asked what was wrong & I told you. Now it's up to you to live with it or do something about it. No HSF is going to cool down your machine the way your running it. If you do nothing I'd under clock that machine to let as little heat build up & I wouldn't leave it on over 2 hours & than shut it down & let it cool down.

It makes no difference to me. My machine will run 24/7 without a bit of problem & yours won't. I don't know what else to tell you! Sorry!

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 9, 2003 1:25:02 PM

hmnn...wat abt cooling memory?(on memory dimms n GRAM)
r ramsinks better or heat spreaders better?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 9, 2003 1:54:10 PM

I've never had to use them, but i don't OC. I've got enough CPU & vid card that I don't feel I need to.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 9, 2003 4:34:50 PM

Cooling RAM is often useless... but in some cases where the RAM (or GRAM) runs very hot you can get some additional MHz increasements with RAM cooling.
RAMsinks are always used with GRAM because they have much space, heat spreaders are almost always used for system RAM as the sticks often sit close to eachother.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 10, 2003 8:36:19 AM

which one(ramsinks/heat spreaders) contain fans?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 10, 2003 8:55:21 AM

Man, I give up on this one. Between this thread & <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new"> this</A> thread. you've double talked for several days on nothing. I can't figure out if you actually want help or just being a complete pain in the ass. Cya

If it ain't broke, take it apart & see why not!
February 10, 2003 9:40:46 AM

as the saying goes...empty vessels make the most
noise--> rcpilot :)  if u ain't going to help,the least u can do is keep quiet n not stop pple frm getting help.


Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 10, 2003 9:53:26 AM

OooooooooooKaaaaaaa!!!!!!

If it ain't broke, take it apart & see why not!
February 10, 2003 10:18:21 AM

Thank you.as far as i m concerned,i m juz trying to find out more abt dirfferent cooling options before i really start o/cing :) 

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 10, 2003 3:42:43 PM

None of them... well unless you take Thermaltake's heatspreader with fan where the fan is absolute useless.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
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