Meet your meat. Please read

i have a couple of links that i wanted to share with you guys. a friend of mine showed them to me a little while ago, and ive been holding back tears sinse then


for these, select your player and speed and then hit watch:

<A HREF="http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=Turkey-farms" target="_new"> 3 minutes approx. first one..</A>

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Damn...I had turkey for lunch, not to mention chicken for dinner.

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Hmm, saw the description of the second and passed.

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Your sense of humor sucks.

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theres no humor intended , dont know why u think i was implying it.

im showing you guys so you can see what happens to these animals, because it disgusts me. i feel like puking.

theres other videos at <A HREF="http://www.goveg.com/r-video.html" target="_new">this link</A> if you wanna watch them all. i feel so tired all of a sudden

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I figured you meant it to be funny. I of course know you didn't after watching them but wanted to mess with you a bit. The tears running generally refers to humor you know ;0

Look, slaugterhouses are brutal places. Knee deep in blood and guts. The beating thing is horrible. But PETA is insane. There are plenty of places that sell free range meat and I get all my lamb for example from my own family where I know it's been treated good. There's no way I'm giving up my meat. As a matter of fact I'm gonna go eat some steak right now.

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Please, for the love of god PLEASE stop!

I barely stood more than 1 minute of the second!



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yeah, live in ignorant blind bliss. turn your head. what you dont see doesnt exist.

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Ah come on Phial, I did not mean it to be ignorant.

I know very well of all this, am conscious.
I know there's not much I can do as a human alone, but being conscious about it is the best thing I can do, both for myself and people around me.

I guess you're a vegetarian. But you have to see that the non-veggies aren't ignorant, if that's how you see it.
I just don't know what to say man. I am sensitive, these things hurt me and hit me. Pain is pain, I feel it whether it be an animal or human.

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If I could see the Matrix, I'd tell you I am only seeing 0s inside your head! <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 06/06/03 09:48 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

sorry .......LOL~!!!


sheesh.... i dont know why but i always relpy harsh to you. ill try my best not to, sorry man =/

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Dude... Nature has carnivores. Regardless of whether or not people eat meat, you'd still have many more millions of animals getting painfully killed and eaten by other animals.

Cows do not feel just like us. You are crazy if you think so, and should seek counseling. People raise cows to kill and eat them, and that is their sole purpose. They would not be around to feel bored if that was not their point on this planet.

Now I in no way support animal cruelty. What those farmers did in that pig video was cruel and should not have been done. But, PETA only puts that video out for its shock value. Even if there was no cruelty like that on any of the farms, PETA would still peddle their agenda. They are a bunch of low-life wackos who should be kicked in the nuts. Humans undergo more suffering than animals on farms, why isn't PETA attempting to stop that?

Hey, here's some food for thought. Did you know that every year MILLIONS of field animals, including rabbits, pheasants, skunks, snakes, etc. are CHEWED UP and DISMEMBERED in soy and grain combines. So basically, while meat-eaters eat meat knowing they are eating animals raised to die, the food you eat has the blood of innocent wildlife in it. Does that make you happy? Tell that to all your vegan friends and see how they feel about their diet then.

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seems so barbaric to me. were not animals living on instincts anymore. i dont know.. it just comes down to thinking about it in the right way.

i showed a friend last nite the video of the pig being beaten on the head with a pipewrench and he laughed. he said that he had to do it all the time when he lived on a farm. said that he killed pigs all the time and has crushed skulls. he is desensitized to the killing and laughs at what i think.......

i know that a pig feels just as much pain as we feel. seeing it still alive after a large man has SMASHEd it on the top of the head wiht a 4 foot metal pipe repeatedly makes me sick to imagine the pain its in. its beyond torture. this is common in making the meat we eat



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Well...we used to raise rabbits for meat. I tried severl different ways of killing them, but I never got comfortable doing it. Tried the pipe, tried wringing the neck, tried shooting the head with a .22....they still screamed. My dad would make me kill them, then he skinned and dressed them, and I would clean up the inards. The only thing that ever bothered me was the little severed rabbit heads. They stare....However, I would forget all about that when it came time to BBQ.

Shirley McClain "...and then I saw a bright light..I think I was in heaven. It turns out, that everyone there is Dutch...even God..."

thats what irks me about people nowadays. not just about this but things in general. everyones so oblivious to what goes on... were so blind. my fat fukcing roomate will chomp down on her macdonalds 2 times a day yet has 4 pets. she goes "aweeeeeeeeeeee" when thers a dead rabit on the side of the road yet she gluttons herself on those burgers.

same with people starving around the world. we see those Unicef connmercials and cry at the pictures of the starving children with swollen stomaches and 10 minutes later we order a 25dollar pizza. 25 dollars could feed 10 of those kids for a week.

we see teh soldiers over in iraq and we are glad they are there.. but we forget that innocent people are being killed, losing thier homes and loved ones. im not saying im against what is going on, in fact lets not talk too much about the war because thats a different topic.. im just using it as an example to show our obliviousness

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Hey!!! I take offense to what you just said. Teryaki is not the only marinade!!!

Shirley McClain "...and then I saw a bright light..I think I was in heaven. It turns out, that everyone there is Dutch...even God..."

humans are made to eat meat and vegitables. its even in the bible, ive never seen a healthy vegan, they are all scrawny ass pussys.

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Oh, I've seen plenty of that. Must have missed a couple episodes on AP or DC, though. Had to have been juveniles. I think the comparison to lions isn't quite right, though, since they can't make the same kind of decisions we can.

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Why not? A lion is king of his domain. If he chose to he would never have to kill. He could just scavenge. Lions are excellent scavangers and it makes up a part of their diet.

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I'm just being the devil's advocate

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Notice how they always first attack on the neck.

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Well they first bring the animal down. The reason these lions were eating it from the back is because they all were hanging on there trying to bring it down. Only one was going for the neck and I don't think he was too bright.

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I eat meat, I don't deny it.

However, what I am truly against, is pain and suffering rather than instant kill. That is uncalled for. Just as humans deserve to die quickly than in suffering, animals should. I can't state how painful I feel when I see their faces as they suffer, those deers or pigs. Whatever the being on earth, the least dignity it has to have, is the one of not suffering, but dying quickly.

I don't know if Phial accepts quick deaths as it should really be, or not, but to me, I would go against any person who likes to hurt animals for more than a few instants and then make them die by suffering over time. But I won't go agains one who kills them in a shot, since that's the only way anyways to get the meat, unless you like a long-term farm that waits till they die naturally!

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Which I totally agree with you. Vegans IMO just aren't right.

Hmm, care to describe in a few lines or less about the cat thingy?
I mention few lines or less, because I don't wanna hear anymore long torture tellings...

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It's known that IF the developed world used ALL it's arable land for crops instead of meat. There will be enough food to feed the WHOLE world. Instead, we harp on about free choices. Allowing human greed and selfishness prevail...

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I was a vegetarian for 5 years (lacto-ovo, not vegan). I weighed 240 lbs at 6'1". I wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a scrawny, smelly person. As a matter of fact I was less smelly when I was a vegetarian.

I had and still have vegetarian friends. None of them are scrawny and smelly. Okay, one is but she has other non-dietary reasons for it.

Loins hunt in packs. In documentaries I've frequently seen one lion holding its prey by the neck/face and suffocating it while at the same time the other loins were digging in. It was still kicking while it was being eviscerated and eaten alive.

Wolves are worse though. Lions have massive jaw muscles and will try to go for the neck to either break the spine or suffocate the animal. Wolves have comparatively weak jaw muscles and will instead slash their prey's flanks and run it to the ground until it drops from lack of blood, then eat it alive when it doesn't have the strength to resist anymore. Lions go for the quick kill. Wolves drag it out.

And who here hasn't seen a cat play with it's prey? I've seen cats break the spine of a mouse and then play with it while the mouse tried to crawl away using just it's front legs. I've seen a cat jump on a bird, bite it's wings to break them, then let the bird go so that it can chase it again and again. In most cases the cat's didn't even eat the animals they were playing with. I've seen documentaries of killer whales scooping up a baby seal and then throwing it into the air and smashing it with their tail, then throwing it into the air again and continuing to play catch with it until it died and they lost interest.

And if everybody suddenly went vegan, what would happen to all the cows, pigs and chickens? Does anybody really think that they would have a better time of it if they were released into the wild? Do you think they would enjoy being hunted by wolves and lions? Do predators somehow kill more humanly than people? Don't forget that cows et al have been breed for millennia to be domesticated animals. Thus they don't have many of the natural defenses that wild animals have evolved.

Still it would be nice to treat our captive domestic animals more humanly though. I don't agree with factory farms. You can't treat animals as just resources or numbers on a profit sheet. You can't call the people who work on in these places farmers. They are employees. They get their wages whether the animals live or die. In other words they have no vested interest in the animals and thus no reason to treat them humanly. The people who you see torturing the animals in those videos are probably just people who hate their jobs but can't get a better one. The only difference between you and them is that they have animals to take it out on. How many people here treat their work PC with the same respect that they treat their home PC? Do you do stuff at work such as eat over the keyboard or install programs without first scanning for vuruses that you wouldn't dream of doing to your own PC? Those who work from home or run their own business are excluded from this question.

But because these animals are treated so inhumanly their meat can be sold for $.10 less a pound. Because they can sell so low real farmers are either forced to adapt these same tactics or else are run out of business by the food conglomerates.

So until everybody is willing to pay $.10 more a pound for their meat this will continue. That's progress for you baby.

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