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February 7, 2003 1:53:27 PM

Well, I recently purchased the A7N8X (non dlx) and everything else stayed the same. I was using the Thermaltake Volcano 7+ (got it when it first came out) and after fiddling with the settings, found out my AXP1500+ didn't like the 1668MHz I was pushing. At stock speed with SETI@Home running, the temp was floating around 50~53C. Went to local shop and plopped down $40 U.S. greenbacks for the Volcano 9 and AS3. After I got home, examined the HSF and found that the milling was atrocious and also, there was someone's fingerprint (should have lifted it incase the FBI came knockin). Well, after 2 hours of lapping (and eating dinner) got it to the "mirror" finish and installed with little difficulty. One deviation from the instructions that I did was, instead of putting the thermal sensor UNDER the cpu, I used the supplied 2-sided tape and placed it right next to the die. After everything was back in place (so I thought) I hit the power button and nearly crapped my pants. DOH! Forgot the control panel connectors. Ok, I'm not perfect and can give myself a coronary like everyone else. Anyways, Booted up, went into BIOS and checked the Hardware monitor. It was looking like it was just warming up but taking forever: 15C...16C...17C...etc. Up to 21C. Then it just hovered there. Next post...

GearJammer
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February 7, 2003 2:34:28 PM

(Doh! should've just replied to my first post for Pt II)

At first I thought the sensor was just off since the Motherboard temp was fairly higher at 28C. The RPM sensors were also acting wierd. Sometimes reading 0 and then jumping to 2300 RPM's or so.

Well, I decided to boot into WinME and check out MBM5. Showing about the same temps: MB=29~30C; CPU=23~26C at 0~15% CPU usage. *scratched head and said to self: "Nahhhh"*
D/l'd Seti CLI Client and set it up with SetiMonitor. Now temps read: MB=29~30C; CPU=28~30C.

Now let's recap:
Volcano 7+ w/AS2= 51-55C under load (seti)
Volcano 9 w/AS3 = 28~30C under load (seti)

My brain says "Great investment" yet the rest of my body is raising the 40'x45' B.S. Flag.

Oh, I've now been able to o/c the cpu 140MHz FSB w/ 11.5 Multiplier.


GearJammer
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February 7, 2003 4:02:21 PM

ermm...excuse me...i heard frm my friend dat e Volcano 7+ is around 600g(correct me if i m wrong)so isn't it way too heavy for a AMD processor?(AMD recommends not heavier than 300g)

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February 7, 2003 4:58:44 PM

They can handle that but are more vunerable when moving... if they use the 4 holes around the socket then even moving isn't a risk.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 7, 2003 5:01:28 PM

Ok... but this sounds strange. The Volcano 9 HSF should perform WORCE then the Volcano 7+. The Volacono 9 is made of aluminium and uses a 80 mm fan, while the 7+ is fully made of copper and uses a 70mm fan. Putting the 80mm fan on the Volcano 7+ will give you a super HSF.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 7, 2003 7:09:12 PM

Actually, when I bought my 7+, it was aluminium with a copper insert. The Volcano 9 is the same, but with the SmartFan II. And I'm leaving it running while I'm at work with Seti crunching numbers. Something else that helps is my room temp is around 60F/18C. I'll have to see how it performs during the summer.

GearJammer
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February 8, 2003 2:26:06 AM

ermm...wat do u mean by moving?n wats that abt 4 holes?

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February 8, 2003 9:56:57 AM

Strange... the Volcano 7+ should be full copper.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 8, 2003 9:58:31 AM

Well moving your PC with all hardware inside. If you bump into something and you have a heavy and unstable mounted HSF you have a chance that you crush your core.
The 4 holes or the 4 mounting holes beside the Socket A on most motherboards... there are a lot of HSFs like the Swiftech MCX462 and the Alpha PAL8045 that use those holes for stable mounting.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 8, 2003 10:54:02 AM

so do u recommend dat i use the Volcano 7+ for my 1700+ dat i m planning to o/c to its limit?i believe there should be instructions as to how to mount the HSF using the mounting holes?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 10:56:05 AM

so do u recommend dat i use the Volcano 7+ for my 1700+ dat i m planning to o/c to its limit?i believe there should be instructions as to how to mount the HSF using the mounting holes?
n if i decide to use the Volcano 7+,would it be advisable for me to change the fan in order for silent operation?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 8, 2003 11:00:12 AM

He's working 2 threads. On the other thread we found out he has no case fans. So any HSF isn't going to do much good with a OC.

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February 8, 2003 2:40:55 PM

Yeah, just imagine how peeved I was when I learned that the V7+ changed to an all-copper HS several months after I bought mine. Oh well, I'm happy with my NEW V9 now. 33C under load with the side case fan (from the 7+) not running.

Need to get ahold of a SFII and rig it for manual control. Right now the V9 is turning @ 4000~4100rpm's and thinking if I rig the SFII to turn @ 4300~4500, then the V9 will have a good supply of outside air. I'll just have to see how the noise level is once it's set.

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February 8, 2003 4:38:16 PM

say if i go get case fans...then wat do u say if i get volcano 7+?

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February 8, 2003 4:57:34 PM

I think with case fans you'll be fine.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 9, 2003 9:46:58 AM

First get casefans and then see if the temps are still high. The Volcano 7+ doesn't use the mounting holes around the socket, and it comes with a fan with 3 speed setting (slow, medium, fast)... in slow and medium the fan isn't very loud.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 9, 2003 10:51:18 AM

1)The Volcano 7+ is so heavy n it doesn't use the mounting holes?so it mounts like other lighter HSFs?
2)alright i m going to get case fans.where r the strategic places dat i should place case fans?wat fans should i use?(size n brand)

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 9, 2003 11:18:11 AM

1. Yes, but if you want a HSF that uses the 4 holes (if your motherboard haves them) you should go for a Swiftech MCX-462 or Alpha PAL8045.
2. 80mm is the standard size... if you want very quiet fans you can use Panaflo fans. The standard places are bottom front and upper rear of your case. If you don't mind making a hole in the side pannel then placing a fan blowing in between your memory and CPU is a very nice place.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dimms when I turn it on :eek: 
February 9, 2003 11:19:29 AM

Usually case fans go low in the front of the case because of the HDD bay. High in the rear of the case as you can get under the PSU. Look to get the best air flow across the HSF to pull out the heat.

Fans are available anywhere computer parts are sold. 80mm is the norm, but you can go bigger. Usually cheaper is louder & expensive is quieter, though not always. <A HREF="http://www.antec-inc.com/pro_cooling.html" target="_new">Here </A>is a example of some of them that are available. You see some of them have remote temp. sensors. The sensor can be located near your hot spots & it will control the fan speed as things heat up for a more quiet operation.

I'm still learning & having fun doing it!! Trouble comes with the things you forget or overlook along the way that make it not so fun!!
February 9, 2003 1:39:24 PM

can somebody explain the logic behind having a fan on the upper rear n another fan on lower front?
n wat solution should i use to clean my agp/pci cards?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 9, 2003 2:21:16 PM

you want a fan blowing in at the lower front and one blowing out at the upper rear for the simple reason that cold air sinks and hot air rises.this way you blow in the coldest air that you can because it is coming from as low as possible, and as it heats up inside the case, it rises and then you blow it out the upper rear.that is the setup i have inside my case.as a result, my case temp is never above 22c even though i have a 2400 oc'd to 2800 speeds in there.

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February 10, 2003 8:42:34 AM

icic...then wat should i use to clean my AGP/PCI cards?(get rid of dust n watever dat shouldn't be there)


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ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
February 10, 2003 1:31:40 PM

Buy a can of compressed air...nothing works better.

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February 10, 2003 2:01:30 PM

Think thats strange, I looked at my buds 1700+ temps, 30c with a stock heatsink and thermal interface! And that stays teh same after we bumped the multiplier up to an 1800...

But thats some great temps!

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February 10, 2003 10:14:52 PM

Yeah, but how loud is that stock cooler? I can barely hear mine when it's turning at 3100~3200 RPM's.

I tried an experiment: Unplug my case fan and see where the temps/RPM's go. Well, at idle it sits around 30C and spins at 3400 RPM's. Under load it goes up to 40C and spins at 5100 RPM's!! (And yes, it's loud at that speed)

Also, with the new A7N8X board, the CPU/HSF sits above the dead center of my case fan. So, air is coming from the top of my case fan and gets pushed at the bottom of my HSF. So, there is another reason I'm running so cool with air. And I've let my room warm up to 64F.

I'm really liking my new Volcano 9! Now for the next upgrade will be the CPU and I'm not going to waste my money on a Barton 3000+ if the only difference is the extra L2 cache. I'll prolly go for an XP 2400+. I just need to wait for tax return to come in.

(DOH! I need to file it first before Uncle Sam gives it to me)

GearJammer
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February 11, 2003 12:22:06 AM

Well, the stock cooler is one of those slim AMD fans, not too loud, but not silent. Now the one case fan, on the other hand, is a delta screameroff of a volcano 5 I got a while back. That puppy is loud as all hell @ 5000 rpm!
Its a small case, with poor ventilation, so what had to be done was done. Im gonna put a rheostat on it soon, so he can tune it down when watching a movie or working in acid.

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