How to solve the worlds water crisis

The other alternative is to stop using water.

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dnot use water, shower with pop

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then u could drink it too


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Could turn up in his favor.....he makes a monthly payment of $300 for insurance (random number here) and they decide to charge -$2000.

All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.

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2 days later: *gets arrested by Con Ed*

All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.

How much water you use in a bath would depend on how fat you were, If someone weighed 300 pounds they might only use 3 litres of water.

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Ummm, OK. Water is rare? Fresh water is rare? Let me think. There have been X amout of gallons of water on this Earth 5,000 years ago. How many of you expect me to believe that there is less water now than then? And considering that the world is what, 80%(?) water, that we are in need of it? Excuse me, does it rain where guys are? Because rain tends to soak into the ground, whereapon it is filtered, and becomes drinkable.

If you guys are sucking all the water from the ground too fast, start pooring heavy quantities of water (any kind, salt water, sewer water, river water, city water) on the ground at an elevation higher than where you want the water, and it will be filtered into the water layer. All of that will simulate massive quantities of rain. So you tell me it isn't a government conspiracy or something that is going on there. There will always be water, we will never run out.

I guess it is nice to live in Alaska, where everybody could turn on all water outlets and never 'run out' of water.

On a new note, what is with all these people who are screaming about the O-ZONE layer, so they make us not use CFC's? That is complete hogwash and anybody with any sense knows it. ONE volcano blast puts more CFC's into the air than the entire human civilization has in its entire existance. Lets see, I have personally SEEN 4 volcano eruptions (living in Alaska has its perks, along with Earthquakes). So what is the reasoning behind that? All those commie greenies out there who screw bunnies and eat leaves. They should all be sent to antarctica, where they will die of skin cancer and/or freeze to death without there petroleum heaters.

Oh, speaking of greenies, I saw a Ford Expedition (gas hog) last week with a green peace sticker on it. I thought that was hilarious.

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There are a LOT MORE PEOPLE on Earth today, as well as a LOT MORE POLLUTION.

As far as the ozone layer, you're right. I've argued that on here many times. The changes in the ozone layer and the so called greenhouse effect are probably a natural phenomenon. We should still research it though just to make sure we don't screw up. The ozone layer is very very very thin and if you ruin it you kill all life on this planet.

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Yes... but the percentage of DRINKABLE water is about 0.003% IIRC. Have you ever tried drinking salt water.

And don't forget the water resources aren't equally spread over the Earts surface.

It is a fact that within 50-100 years there will be major water crisises all over the globe... and there already are water crisises at this moment.

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The amount of drinkable water is actually very small. The earth's surface is about 80% water. 75% is salt water. 5% is locked up in ice (Greenland, Antarctica, etc) or the atmosphere (clouds, etc) or deep underground. Of the rest of the surface water some of it is too polluted to drink.

To reclaim the water from underground you dig wells. Unfortunately people are removing water from underground much faster that it can be replaced. So they dig deeper wells. Then all of that water that is being removed has to be replaced by something, so the ground caves in (slumps). Roads/houses/property are destroyed when the ground slumps. Slumps are actually not all that uncommon in parts of Florida.

Then there's rivers and lakes. Very easy to get water from those. Unfortunately unless you're near the source they have a tendency to become polluted the further downstream you go, at least the rivers near human habitation do. And of course this doesn't help people living in LA, Arizona, New Mexico, Hong Kong, Mongolia, etc where there is very little surface water. Plus this source is oversubscribed now anyway. Has anyone here seen the Rio Grande where it enters the ocean? Some years it doesn't even get that far. Some years it trickles in. And this used to be a rather large river.

Then there's salt water. Unfortunately you can't just take salt water and dump it on a mountain and let nature filter the salt. For one thing salt is dissolved and thus can't be filtered. For another thing if you did this with any polluted water then it would only be a matter of time before the "natural" filter became saturated and the contaminants started moving down into the water supply. Unless you have a way to remove/replace the filter eventually the contaminant will be washed downstream as well. Plus it would then contaminate all the soil between it and the water's final resting place, rendering the land unlivable and unfarmable.

And since salt is dissolved in the water it can't be filtered anyway. The only way to get the salt out of the water is to remove the water from the salt. In other words boil the salt water and condense the steam back into fresh water, leaving the salt behind. Unfortunately that is a very expensive process. It would cost about $2.50 a gallon to make water this way, and that's before adding on the cost of pumping it to your house. The only places that do this are places like Kuwait where the heat source (oil) is practically free and there is no other water source.

There's no feasible way to remove water from the clouds. It's even more expensive than boiling the salt water.

Ice in Greenland, etc would actually be pretty easy to ship to a warmer climate and melt into fresh water. There are a few problems though. For one thing this ice is replaced only very slowly. Then we're back to the same problem as groundwater, where demand will exceed supply and the source will become depleted. Plus as water is removed from Greenland and melted, it will go back into the ocean. Since this is in effect new water (it was locked up in ice before this) the ocean's water level will rise.

I expect to see Alaskan glacial ice being used to provide water to LA in the near future. The only real thing holding it back is finding a way to move the icebergs quickly and cheaply enough to get it to LA. They're experimenting right now with an electric engine that uses the temperature difference between the ice and the ocean water to generate electricity. It's still too slow right now though, plus icebergs have a tendency to roll, and aren't all that easy to steer.

Now add into his the fact that water also crosses over borders as well. Does Israel care about the quality or quantity of water that crosses into Palestine? Does Russia care about China's water? North Korea's about South Korea's? For example Turkey has dammed or polluted the sources of the Tigris river to the point where Iraq is getting less than half the water it used to, and it's so polluted by the time it enters Iraq that it's undrinkable. Turkey doesn't care about the pollution, cause it's carried out of their country by the river. They also don't care that the dams which provide electricity and irrigation to their people are causing hardship in another country. Israel relies on a reservoir it created by damming the only river that flows into Jordan. It relies on the reservoir for electricity and water supply for it's increasing population. Israel at this point would be unable to undo their reliance on this reservoir. Jordan on the other hand has seen it's only water supply dwindle to a trickle. To replace this water it's can't get from the river it's increasingly relying on groundwater. Since the river isn't replacing the groundwater it being used up far faster than it can be replaced.

Information sources: National Geographic from last year and Newsweek from the mid ninties.

Anyway this was supposed to be a humorous thread.

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Cool post.

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Good response Svol, and a heck of a lot shorter than one I would have given.

There's been study after study that all support the fact that the hole in the ozone layer is primarily man made. Does nature play a part? Yes, but not nearly to the extent of CFC's and a few other man made chemicals.

Volcano's produce very few chemicals which could impact the ozone layer (primarily Nitrogen compounds and HCl). Now the greenhouse effect on the other hand can be impacted by volcano's.

The greenhouse effect and the ozone hole are 2 entirely different phenomenon. They are completely unrelated. What causes one does not cause the other.

Ozone depletion is caused primarily by CFC's (chlorofluorocarbons) and to a lesser extent certain nitrogen and chlorine/fluorine compounds. CFC's were widely used in refrigerants (air conditioners, freezer, fridges, etc) and also as a propellant in spray cans. Volcano’s don’t release much of these. There is some HCl produced, but HCl doesn’t stay airborne for very long (about a year), and only rarely gets high enough to affect the ozone layer. CFC’s on the other hand can stay airborne for 20 years. That’s why the ozone hole hasn’t been reduced much, despite the near total reduction of CFC use since the late 80/early 90’s. The CFC’s released in the late 1980’s are still around and still affecting the ozone layer.

The greenhouse effect is caused primarily by CO2 (carbon dioxide) and to a lesser extent methane (CH4).

Your right that the greenhouse effect can be affected by volcanoes. But volcanoes produce about 110 million tonnes of CO2 a year. Fossil fuel burning produces 6 BILLION tonnes per year. PLUS Volcano’s release ash etc, which acts to block out the sun and lower global temperatures, admittedly for the short term only.

Here’s a good, short source: <A HREF="http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/climate_effects.html" target="_new">http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/climate_effects.html</A>



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haha thats so stupid that its funny

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You must be getting your information from environmental idiots. The first two paragraphs sound reasonable, then it goes into lies and deception. This is a method often used by extremist groups.

I buy water at Wal-Mart for $0.58 a gallon. I can get three kinds for that price: Filtered, Reverse Osmosis, and Distilled.

Now your source claims it cost $2.50 to boil water and capture the steam. So how do you explain the fact that Wal-Mart sells distilled water for $0.58? Do you know what the word distilled means?

There are a lot of water desalinization plants all over the world. Some countries like Isreal depend on them!

It took my many years to find a new old stock (warehoused), illegal high flow shower head! And when I found it, I was told it was OK to steal it because they weren't allowed to use or sell it! Now I take glorious showers, showers that penetrate my hair right down to the scalp!

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lol
but u hog the shower for twice as long!

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haha glorious showers. but i hear yah, those low water shower heads suck ass man. i prefer the ones with huge water holes

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OK, off to making Ozone:

I can make O-zone right now if I wish. I take an aircraft magneto, spin it fast, and O-Zone (along with sparks) is the by product. O-Zone is actually pretty smelly, I don't care for it that much. But if you don't believe that magnetos can make O-Zone, then explain why they have to spend so much time figuring out how to keep it from corroding the aluminum? O3 does that, it corrodes things nnicely.

So my challenge to anybody out there, is to create a really big magneto, spin it, and make billions and billions of O3 molecuels.

now if we take that to the correct altitude, could we then re-create the O-Zone layer?

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Well it is a fact that it is still not profitable to do this... and how do you want to heat so much water?

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I know that it can be created by magnetism... a lot of electrical components make ozon.

But the problem is that it can't get above in the atmosphere without breaking into O2 again. So you would have to use a plain to create it there... but if that was possible then it would be done right away.

The ozon-layer has a very fragile balance between O3 and O2:
2 O3 -><- (arrow back and forward) 3 O2. This can be written as O3^2/02^3=K where K is constant.

Now if you bring more O3 into the ozon-layer it would simple break into O2 for a large part to keep K constant till a new balance is there. Now if we still continue to blow out CFC while doing this we will disrupt the balance and make all work we did undone.

To put it short: the ozon-layer is still to complex for us to repair.

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Whoops, forget my sources. Most of the ozone stuff came from <A HREF="http://nwww.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/intro/" target="_new">http://nwww.faqs.org/faqs/ozone-depletion/intro/</A>. The water stuff came from my memory of a National Geographic article and a school project I did back in highschool. It's possible that I "misremembered" the $2.50 a gallon figure, but either way it's still more expensive to desalinate than to just filter water.

Hey, did you know that ozone is used in some water treatment plants to purify the water?

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I trust the water has been distilled when they say it's been distilled, but you don't have to use heat to boil it! You can also boil it by applying a vacuum. In fact they did that in my science class, the water evaporates very quickly that way!

Also, using heat to boil water and coming up with such an outrageous price is ludicrous because it assumes you "waste" that heat, like the moonshiners did. A more modern process would be to use a water-to-water intercooler of several stages where the cold intake water cools the condensor, thereby allowing the water that enters the boiler to be at near boiling temperatures BEFORE fuel is used to creat more heat! In this arrangement, you are only using the heat to bridge the transition stage from liquid to gas...but the energy recaptured from the cooling steam also gives off a lot of energy in the transition back!

So using vacuum could do water for nickels a gallon, using water-to-water heat transfer to recapture most of the heat would allow you to do it for penies a gallon!

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Did anyone see that Seinfeld where Jerry searches for the illegal, high flow showerhead?

I've tried drinking salt water but it made my weiner shrivel up.

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You can get pure water from salt water, but none of the methods are efficient

boiling - needs LOTS of power
Solar evaporation in a greenhouse - better as it uses the suns rays, but very slow.
electrolysis - ditto with the power consumption, but is used to good effect on navy vessels and submarines.
filtration - hard to filter out NaCl, plus the filter cloggs up pretty quick.
Na -> Ca replacment - you need lots of calcium, plus you end up with very hard water.
Osmotic filtration - need very high water pressures pushing water through osmotic membranes.



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I meant Ca to Na convertions... ofcourse.

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Save the ozone...ban baked beans!!!

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