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March 10, 2003 3:29:05 PM

1)would using a Radeon flasher n BIOs editor allow me to have o/ced speeds w/o using programs like PowerStrip n Rage3D?
2)do all Graphics cards have DDR for Gram speed?(as in 275mhz mem=550mhz mem?)
3)is it better to increase core & mem speed together or increase it individually?
4)other than volt mods,wat other hacks or mods can be done for Radeon o/cing?
5)which speed(mem speed/core speed) has a bigger impact on graphics card performance?or is it dat both are as impt?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
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March 11, 2003 7:19:33 AM

I have a Radeon LE DDR (that would be based on the early Radeon DDR card) overclocked to retail speed in BIOS, it's easy. Figure out what speed you like by using Power Strip, test that speed extensively before modifying BIOS.

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March 12, 2003 12:55:07 PM

icic...ermm....but can somebody help ans the other qns?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
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March 12, 2003 1:26:08 PM

2) Not all VICs use DDR. Many of the lower-line cards (MX cards for example) use SDR.

3) If you want the most stability, then you'll have to increase the core and memory settings individually.

4) Check the forums at rage3d. Among other things, you can soft/hard-mod various radeon 9X00 series cards for more performance.

5) Some applications require geater bandwidth, other programs require more processing power. As a general rule of thumb, both are equally important.

Call me Caine.
March 12, 2003 2:28:22 PM

so is a Radeon 8500 64mb(Org 275mhz) card DDR or SDR?n wat cooling is recommended for my card?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
a b U Graphics card
March 12, 2003 3:23:38 PM

The Radeon 8500 is DDR, it was the 7XXX series that had SDR, or at least that's my understanding.

Not sure what to recommend with the cooling, but how about a compressor solution? :cool: Freeze your card. Anywhoo, check with others here, people with experience with your card.

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a b K Overclocking
March 12, 2003 5:56:22 PM

I have a Radeon. It's DDR. It's called a "7200 Series" now. It's based on the original Radeon DDR.

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March 12, 2003 5:58:38 PM

I answered your question, I can't help it if you refuse to read.

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March 12, 2003 7:59:50 PM

Oh yeah, I realize that I was just saying that I think it was only SOME (I think it was the 7000 itself) that had SDR, I didn't really pay too much attention as my RageFury pro worked 'OK' up until the 8500, so I osrta by-passed the first radeons and 7000s.
Anywhooo, yeah I was just noting that I 'think' all 8500s were DDR, and it was some varaint of a 7xxx that was SDR.

Cheers, from the peanut Gallery!

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March 12, 2003 8:20:24 PM

Save yourself some money and get an BBA 8500LE 64 or 128 (same as 8500 just underclocked) and then run it upto 290/290+ using Radedit like I did :) . If ya can try to get 3.3ns GRAM instead of 3.6 (should be the last 2 numbers on the gram themselves ...XXXX...-3.3 or -3.6). Also I would highly recommend buying straight from ATI, also as I did.

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March 13, 2003 3:33:50 PM

arghh....my 3.6ns card can only hit 288/288.wat m i to do?
wat do u mean by buying straight from ATI?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
March 13, 2003 11:12:44 PM

You can try some serious cooling (like a house fan in side of case or ramsinks and new GPU HSF). Next would be the infamous <A HREF="http://www.xcl-clan.com/articles.php3?id=29" target="_new">pencil trick</A>, which btw didn't do anything for my OC (used isopropyl alcohol to remove pencil). Beyond that is different bioses (I use modded 7006, used radedit 0.99 to do it as any later release won't recognize it as a valid bios). If you try different bioses be sure to save your original and use the right new ones (BGA or not, 128 or 64 etc.)

To buy straight from ATI (home base in Toronto,ON) go <A HREF="http://mirror.ati.com/shopati/shop.html" target="_new">here</A> or go to their <A HREF="http://www.ati.com/" target="_new">Home Page</A> and use the link in the middle under the heading shop then shop@ATI. Might be able to find the card for a little less elsewhere because the retailer bought in HUGE quantity but you'll never get better customer service or support.

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March 14, 2003 4:47:48 PM

a stupid qn here-is higher ns better or lower ns better?(etc 3.3ns,3.6ns)
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=953--&...;do dis apply to retail radeon 8500 or LE/OEM radeon 8500?n how does doing volt mods enable better o/cing?it doesn't require adjusting Vagp at all in order for the volt mod to work?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
March 14, 2003 11:29:43 PM

Lower ns (nano seconds) is better. 1/xns*1000=rated spedd in MHz (ie. 1/3.6*1000=277.8MHz rated speed for your GRAM).

All BBA Radeon 8500 are the same except GRAM speed, voltage to the GPU and GRAM, and of course shipped clock speeds.

Not exactly sure why voltage mods work but it has something to do with increased signal strength which in turn is increased stability.

Psyko

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March 15, 2003 5:50:37 AM

so the volt mod can work even if i dun increase Vagp?

"Save yourself some money and get an BBA 8500LE 64 or 128 (same as 8500 just underclocked) and then run it upto 290/290+ using Radedit like I did :) . If ya can try to get 3.3ns GRAM instead of 3.6"--->do u mean dat LEs have 3.3ns n 3.6ns?dat would mean speeds of 303mhz n 277mhz respectively,so there r LEs whose speeds r faster than the retails?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
March 15, 2003 7:17:43 AM

Not sure if they made 8500LE 64MB with the 3.3ns GRAM or not but they did make the LE 64 which leads me to believe it would have been 3.3ns so yes. However it will still be underclocked at 250/250. But ya if it says 3.3 on the GRAM then it is rated for 300MHz. BTW some of the 9700's (not sure which ones) have 3.0ns GRAM (or 333MHz rated!!).

Psyko

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March 15, 2003 12:50:40 PM

"Not sure if they made 8500LE 64MB with the 3.3ns GRAM or not but they did make the LE 64"-->wat is e diff between 8500LE 64MB n LE 64?n so a 3.3ns 8500LE would cost the same as a normal non-3.3ns LE card?i m very confused over the prices of all these Radeon 8500(LE/retail) cards.they have such a big range dat i wonder wat r the differences betw them.juz take a look at dis http://www.hardwarezone.com/priceguide/pricelist.hwz?co...
cards with the same name can have a difference of $100-$200 so i dun even know which card to buy!!!

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
March 18, 2003 4:17:47 PM

can somebody recommend a cooling solution for a Radeon 8500's GPU?n any links dat teaches how to cut a normal stock heatsink(for cooling processors) into RAMsinks?

Athlon XP 1700+(1.47ghz)
ABIT KR7A KT266A DDR ATA 100m/b
384mb Kingston PC-2100 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 64mb(Org)
40gb ATA100 7200RPM 2mb buffer(WD400BB)
WinXP with SP1
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