US Soldiers Sodomize Children

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If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
intended.

The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:

AP - Children held by the U.S. Army at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison included one
boy who appeared to be only about 8 years old, the former commander of the
prison told investigators, according to a transcript.

"He looked like he was eight years old. He told me he was almost 12," Brig.
Gen. Janis Karpinski told officials investigating prisoner abuse at Abu
Ghraib. "He told me his brother was there with him, but he really wanted to
see his mother, could he please call his mother. He was crying." .

.. The transcript released Thursday is the first government document
indicating that a child no older than 11 was held prisoner at Abu Ghraib.

Military officials have said that no juvenile prisoners were subject to the
abuses captured in photographs from Abu Ghraib. However, some of the men
shown being stripped naked and humiliated had been accused of raping a
14-year-old prisoner.

The documents released Thursday offer rare details about the children the
U.S. military has held in Iraq. Karpinski said the Army began holding women
and children in a high-security cellblock at Abu Ghraib in the summer of
2003 because the facility was better than lockups in Baghdad where they had
been held.

The documents also include statements from six witnesses who said three
interrogators and a civilian interpreter at Abu Ghraib got drunk one night
and took a 17-year-old female prisoner from her cell. The four men forced
the girl to expose her breasts and kissed her, the reports said. The
witnesses - whose names were blacked out of the documents given to the
ACLU - said those responsible were not punished.

Another soldier said in January 2004, troops poured water and smeared mud on
the detained 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general and "broke" the general by
forcing him to watch his son shiver in the cold.

The rape and abuse of children in Abu Gharib first broke in the Western
media on August 1st, but was not taken up by the US media with the exception
of Mike Malloy who devoted a whole show to it after we sent him this story:

The Sunday Herald - It was early last October that Kasim Mehaddi Hilas says
he witnessed the rape of a boy prisoner aged about 15 in the notorious Abu
Ghraib prison in Iraq. "The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all
the doors with sheets," he said in a statement given to investigators
probing prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib. "Then, when I heard the screaming I
climbed the door . and I saw [the soldier's name is deleted] who was wearing
a military uniform." Hilas, who was himself threatened with being sexually
assaulted in Abu Graib, then describes in horrific detail how the soldier
raped "the little kid".

In another witness statement, passed to the Sunday Herald, former prisoner
Thaar Salman Dawod said: "[I saw] two boys naked and they were cuffed
together face to face and [a US soldier] was beating them and a group of
guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers
laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were young."

It's not certain exactly how many children are being held by coalition
forces in Iraq, but a Sunday Herald investigation suggests there are up to
107. Their names are not known, nor is where they are being kept, how long
they will be held or what has happened to them during their detention.

Proof of the widespread arrest and detention of children in Iraq by US and
UK forces is contained in an internal Unicef report written in June. The
report has - surprisingly - not been made public.

Journalists in Germany have also been investigating the detention and abuse
of children in Iraq. One reporter, Thomas Reutter of the TV programme Report
Mainz, interviewed a US army sergeant called Samuel Provance, who is banned
from speaking about his six months stationed in Abu Ghraib but told Reutter
of how one 16-year-old Iraqi boy was arrested.

"He was terribly afraid," Provance said. "He had the skinniest arms I've
ever seen. He was trembling all over. His wrists were so thin we couldn't
even put handcuffs on him. Right when I saw him for the first time, and took
him for interrogation, I felt sorry for him.

"The interrogation specialists poured water over him and put him into a car.
Then they drove with him through the night, and at that time it was very,
very cold. Then they smeared him with mud and showed him to his father, who
was also in custody. They had tried out other interrogation methods on him,
but he wasn't to be brought to talk. The interrogation specialists told me,
after the father had seen his son in this state, his heart broke. He wept
and promised to tell them everything they wanted to know."

An Iraqi TV reporter Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz saw the Abu Ghraib children's
wing when he was arrested by Americans while making a documentary. He spent
74 days in Abu Ghraib.

"I saw a camp for children there," he said. "Boys, under the age of puberty.
There were certainly hundreds of children in this camp." Al-Baz said he
heard a 12-year-old girl crying. Her brother was also held in the jail. One
night guards came into her cell. "She was beaten," said al-Baz. "I heard her
call out, 'They have undressed me. They have poured water over me.'"

He says he heard her cries and whimpering daily - this, in turn, caused
other prisoners to cry as they listened to her. Al-Baz also told of an ill
15-year-old boy who was soaked repeatedly with hoses until he collapsed.
Guards then brought in the child's father with a hood over his head. The boy
collapsed again.

Although most of the children are held in US custody, the Sunday Herald has
established that some are held by the British Army. British soldiers tend to
arrest children in towns like Basra, which are under UK control, then hand
the youngsters over to the Americans who interrogate them and detain them.

Between January and May this year the Red Cross registered a total of 107
juveniles in detention during 19 visits to six coalition prisons. The aid
organisation's Rana Sidani said they had no complete information about the
ages of those detained, or how they had been treated. The deteriorating
security situation has prevented the Red Cross visiting all detention
centres.

Amnesty International is outraged by the detention of children. It is aware
of "numerous human rights violations against Iraqi juveniles, including
detentions, torture and ill-treatment, and killings". Amnesty has
interviewed former detainees who say they've seen boys as young as 10 in Abu
Ghraib.

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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:04:55 -0700, "Glen Heiman" <Dakota@cox.net>
wrote:


>BTW, are you still raping, robbing, and cannibalizing senile, quadraplegic,
>demented, octogenarian transexuals before you eat their feces?

Who would even think of such a thing...besides you?
 

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will (from the reality based community) wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:04:55 -0700, "Glen Heiman" <Dakota@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>BTW, are you still raping, robbing, and cannibalizing senile, quadraplegic,
>>demented, octogenarian transexuals before you eat their feces?
>
>
> Who would even think of such a thing...besides you?


That's some sick, twisted fantasy he harbors, isn't it?


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Tempest wrote:

> >>BTW, are you still raping, robbing, and cannibalizing senile, quadraplegic,
> >>demented, octogenarian transexuals before you eat their feces?
> >
> >
> > Who would even think of such a thing...besides you?
>
> That's some sick, twisted fantasy he harbors, isn't it?

Rather silly, actually; in my experience quadraplegic octogenarian
transsexuals have no money...

And after exhaustive research, I have concluded that using "senile" and
"demented" in the same sentence is redundant... my source is the
Department of Redundancy Department, whose motto is "Help stamp out and
eliminate redundancy"...
 
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LOL...troll on MORON

Freedom Fries wrote:
> If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
> intended.
>
> The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
> Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>
> AP - Children held by the U.S. Army at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison included one
> boy who appeared to be only about 8 years old, the former commander of the
> prison told investigators, according to a transcript.
>
> "He looked like he was eight years old. He told me he was almost 12," Brig.
> Gen. Janis Karpinski told officials investigating prisoner abuse at Abu
> Ghraib. "He told me his brother was there with him, but he really wanted to
> see his mother, could he please call his mother. He was crying." .
>
> . The transcript released Thursday is the first government document
> indicating that a child no older than 11 was held prisoner at Abu Ghraib.
>
> Military officials have said that no juvenile prisoners were subject to the
> abuses captured in photographs from Abu Ghraib. However, some of the men
> shown being stripped naked and humiliated had been accused of raping a
> 14-year-old prisoner.
>
> The documents released Thursday offer rare details about the children the
> U.S. military has held in Iraq. Karpinski said the Army began holding women
> and children in a high-security cellblock at Abu Ghraib in the summer of
> 2003 because the facility was better than lockups in Baghdad where they had
> been held.
>
> The documents also include statements from six witnesses who said three
> interrogators and a civilian interpreter at Abu Ghraib got drunk one night
> and took a 17-year-old female prisoner from her cell. The four men forced
> the girl to expose her breasts and kissed her, the reports said. The
> witnesses - whose names were blacked out of the documents given to the
> ACLU - said those responsible were not punished.
>
> Another soldier said in January 2004, troops poured water and smeared mud on
> the detained 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general and "broke" the general by
> forcing him to watch his son shiver in the cold.
>
> The rape and abuse of children in Abu Gharib first broke in the Western
> media on August 1st, but was not taken up by the US media with the exception
> of Mike Malloy who devoted a whole show to it after we sent him this story:
>
> The Sunday Herald - It was early last October that Kasim Mehaddi Hilas says
> he witnessed the rape of a boy prisoner aged about 15 in the notorious Abu
> Ghraib prison in Iraq. "The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all
> the doors with sheets," he said in a statement given to investigators
> probing prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib. "Then, when I heard the screaming I
> climbed the door . and I saw [the soldier's name is deleted] who was wearing
> a military uniform." Hilas, who was himself threatened with being sexually
> assaulted in Abu Graib, then describes in horrific detail how the soldier
> raped "the little kid".
>
> In another witness statement, passed to the Sunday Herald, former prisoner
> Thaar Salman Dawod said: "[I saw] two boys naked and they were cuffed
> together face to face and [a US soldier] was beating them and a group of
> guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers
> laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were young."
>
> It's not certain exactly how many children are being held by coalition
> forces in Iraq, but a Sunday Herald investigation suggests there are up to
> 107. Their names are not known, nor is where they are being kept, how long
> they will be held or what has happened to them during their detention.
>
> Proof of the widespread arrest and detention of children in Iraq by US and
> UK forces is contained in an internal Unicef report written in June. The
> report has - surprisingly - not been made public.
>
> Journalists in Germany have also been investigating the detention and abuse
> of children in Iraq. One reporter, Thomas Reutter of the TV programme Report
> Mainz, interviewed a US army sergeant called Samuel Provance, who is banned
> from speaking about his six months stationed in Abu Ghraib but told Reutter
> of how one 16-year-old Iraqi boy was arrested.
>
> "He was terribly afraid," Provance said. "He had the skinniest arms I've
> ever seen. He was trembling all over. His wrists were so thin we couldn't
> even put handcuffs on him. Right when I saw him for the first time, and took
> him for interrogation, I felt sorry for him.
>
> "The interrogation specialists poured water over him and put him into a car.
> Then they drove with him through the night, and at that time it was very,
> very cold. Then they smeared him with mud and showed him to his father, who
> was also in custody. They had tried out other interrogation methods on him,
> but he wasn't to be brought to talk. The interrogation specialists told me,
> after the father had seen his son in this state, his heart broke. He wept
> and promised to tell them everything they wanted to know."
>
> An Iraqi TV reporter Suhaib Badr-Addin al-Baz saw the Abu Ghraib children's
> wing when he was arrested by Americans while making a documentary. He spent
> 74 days in Abu Ghraib.
>
> "I saw a camp for children there," he said. "Boys, under the age of puberty.
> There were certainly hundreds of children in this camp." Al-Baz said he
> heard a 12-year-old girl crying. Her brother was also held in the jail. One
> night guards came into her cell. "She was beaten," said al-Baz. "I heard her
> call out, 'They have undressed me. They have poured water over me.'"
>
> He says he heard her cries and whimpering daily - this, in turn, caused
> other prisoners to cry as they listened to her. Al-Baz also told of an ill
> 15-year-old boy who was soaked repeatedly with hoses until he collapsed.
> Guards then brought in the child's father with a hood over his head. The boy
> collapsed again.
>
> Although most of the children are held in US custody, the Sunday Herald has
> established that some are held by the British Army. British soldiers tend to
> arrest children in towns like Basra, which are under UK control, then hand
> the youngsters over to the Americans who interrogate them and detain them.
>
> Between January and May this year the Red Cross registered a total of 107
> juveniles in detention during 19 visits to six coalition prisons. The aid
> organisation's Rana Sidani said they had no complete information about the
> ages of those detained, or how they had been treated. The deteriorating
> security situation has prevented the Red Cross visiting all detention
> centres.
>
> Amnesty International is outraged by the detention of children. It is aware
> of "numerous human rights violations against Iraqi juveniles, including
> detentions, torture and ill-treatment, and killings". Amnesty has
> interviewed former detainees who say they've seen boys as young as 10 in Abu
> Ghraib.
>
> http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>
>
 
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"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>intended.
>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780

Isn't Christianity wonderful?

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:39:25 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>intended.
>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>
>Isn't freedom of speech, even when faked, wonderful?
>
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>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:

>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>intended.
>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780

>Isn't Christianity wonderful?

The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
absolutely nothing to do with this situation.



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Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>
>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>>intended.
>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>
>
>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>
>
> The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
> absolutely nothing to do with this situation.


Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.

And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or Christian as
their denomination on their enlistment forms. They have for what seems
forever.


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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:01:10 -0400, Larry Cottrill
<bearlair@shentel.net> wrote:

>Tempest wrote:
>
>> >>BTW, are you still raping, robbing, and cannibalizing senile, quadraplegic,
>> >>demented, octogenarian transexuals before you eat their feces?
>> >
>> >
>> > Who would even think of such a thing...besides you?
>>
>> That's some sick, twisted fantasy he harbors, isn't it?
>
>Rather silly, actually; in my experience quadraplegic octogenarian
>transsexuals have no money...
>
>And after exhaustive research, I have concluded that using "senile" and
>"demented" in the same sentence is redundant... my source is the
>Department of Redundancy Department, whose motto is "Help stamp out and
>eliminate redundancy"...

Not only do I hear you, but I get where you're coming from and I'm
down with that. I think we're in total agreement and I can't find a
thing to disagree with.

Let me be perfectly clear. I see this the same way you do. I can't
find one iota of difference between your take and mine. I'd say
there's no variation between your observation here and mine.

I hope I expressed myself so that there's no confusion. I believe we
have come to the same conclusion and that we have concensus.
 
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>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:

>>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>>>intended.
>>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780

>>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?

>> The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>> absolutely nothing to do with this situation.

>Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.

What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?

>And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or Christian as
>their denomination on their enlistment forms. They have for what seems
>forever.

What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?

Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem" rather
than a "humanity problem".



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"Larry Cottrill" <bearlair@shentel.net> wrote in message
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> Tempest wrote:
>
> > >>BTW, are you still raping, robbing, and cannibalizing senile,
quadraplegic,
> > >>demented, octogenarian transexuals before you eat their feces?
> > >
> > >
> > > Who would even think of such a thing...besides you?
> >
> > That's some sick, twisted fantasy he harbors, isn't it?
>
> Rather silly, actually; in my experience quadraplegic octogenarian
> transsexuals have no money...

IOW, you had already robbed them!

Actually, you idots missed the point of my post entirely. Think about it.
It certainly shows the difference of reactions between conservatives and
libs.

Heiman


>
> And after exhaustive research, I have concluded that using "senile" and
> "demented" in the same sentence is redundant... my source is the
> Department of Redundancy Department, whose motto is "Help stamp out and
> eliminate redundancy"...
 
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"Larry Cottrill" <bearlair@shentel.net> wrote in message
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> Tempest wrote:
>
> > >>BTW, are you still raping, robbing, and cannibalizing senile,
quadraplegic,
> > >>demented, octogenarian transexuals before you eat their feces?
> > >
> > >
> > > Who would even think of such a thing...besides you?
> >
> > That's some sick, twisted fantasy he harbors, isn't it?

Actually, they are serious charges and warrant an investigation. I cannot
downplay their importance. If the charges are not true, where is the
evidence to exonerate Freedom Fries? Why are you defending him? Did he
have you as his accomplice? For starters, Freedom Fries should be banned
from this site and his potty privileges should be limited.

Heiman
Liberalism is curable, but euphanasis is the preferred treatment.


>
> Rather silly, actually; in my experience quadraplegic octogenarian
> transsexuals have no money...
>
> And after exhaustive research, I have concluded that using "senile" and
> "demented" in the same sentence is redundant... my source is the
> Department of Redundancy Department, whose motto is "Help stamp out and
> eliminate redundancy"...
 

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Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>
>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>
>>>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>
>>>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>
>>>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>>>>intended.
>>>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>>>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>>>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>
>
>>>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>
>
>>>The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>
>
>>Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>
>
> What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>
>
>>And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or Christian as
>>their denomination on their enlistment forms. They have for what seems
>>forever.
>
>
> What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>
> Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem" rather
> than a "humanity problem".


It's both.



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Tempest wrote:
> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>> Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>
>>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for
>>>>> saying...
>>>>>> "Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should
>>>>>> pull out; pun intended.
>>>>>> The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners
>>>>>> in Abu Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of
>>>>>> Information Act: http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>>
>>
>>>> The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>> absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>>
>>
>>> Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>>
>>
>> What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>
>>
>>> And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or Christian
>>> as their denomination on their enlistment forms. They have for what
>>> seems forever.
>>
>>
>> What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>
>> Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>> rather than a "humanity problem".
>
>
> It's both.

Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.
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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
> Tempest wrote:
>
>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>
>>>>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for
>>>>>>saying...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should
>>>>>>>pull out; pun intended.
>>>>>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners
>>>>>>>in Abu Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of
>>>>>>>Information Act: http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>>>
>>>>>The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>>>absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>>>
>>>>Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>>>
>>>
>>>What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or Christian
>>>>as their denomination on their enlistment forms. They have for what
>>>>seems forever.
>>>
>>>
>>>What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>
>>>Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>rather than a "humanity problem".
>>
>>
>>It's both.
>
>
> Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
> Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.


The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys as
young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.

Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with detainees
raping each other?


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Tempest wrote:
> Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>> Tempest wrote:
>>
>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for
>>>>>>> saying...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should
>>>>>>>> pull out; pun intended.
>>>>>>>> The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners
>>>>>>>> in Abu Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of
>>>>>>>> Information Act: http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or
>>>>> Christian as their denomination on their enlistment forms. They
>>>>> have for what seems forever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>
>>>> Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>> rather than a "humanity problem".
>>>
>>>
>>> It's both.
>>
>>
>> Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
>> Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.
>
>
> The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys
> as young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.
>
> Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with
> detainees raping each other?

The Pentagon says nothing

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woodruffs@cableone.net (Trent Woodruff) wrote:
>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>>intended.
>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>absolutely nothing to do with this situation.

Christians are the ones committing these crimes -- and supporting
and defending the slaughter of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis, all
because they have brown skin and worship the "wrong" gods.

Rape, murder, torture, invasion, genocide -- that's Christianity.

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>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>Trent Woodruff wrote:

>> Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem" rather
>> than a "humanity problem".

>It's both.

Not really. There are disgusting bastards in every walk of
life...it's irrelevant to religion.



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>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>>> Tempest wrote:
>>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:

>>>>Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>>rather than a "humanity problem".

>>>It's both.

>> Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
>> Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.

>The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys as
>young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.

I'm afraid you're going to have to provide a cite for this.

>Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with detainees
>raping each other?

What does it have to do with religion?



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>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>woodruffs@cableone.net (Trent Woodruff) wrote:
>>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:

>>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should pull out; pun
>>>>intended.
>>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners in Abu
>>>>Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of Information Act:
>>>>http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780

>>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?

>>The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>absolutely nothing to do with this situation.

>Christians are the ones committing these crimes -- and supporting
>and defending the slaughter of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis, all
>because they have brown skin and worship the "wrong" gods.
>Rape, murder, torture, invasion, genocide -- that's Christianity.

No, that's humanity. Are you seriously so wacked-out hostile to
Christianity to believe that this is a "Christianity problem"? That's
not only idiotic...it's horrifically ignorant.



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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
> Tempest wrote:
>
>>Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>>
>>>Tempest wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for
>>>>>>>>saying...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should
>>>>>>>>>pull out; pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners
>>>>>>>>>in Abu Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of
>>>>>>>>>Information Act: http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>>>>>absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or
>>>>>>Christian as their denomination on their enlistment forms. They
>>>>>>have for what seems forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>>
>>>>>Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>>>rather than a "humanity problem".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's both.
>>>
>>>
>>>Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
>>>Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.
>>
>>
>>The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys
>>as young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.
>>
>>Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with
>>detainees raping each other?
>
>
> The Pentagon says nothing


Rumsfeld isn't in the Pentagon?


After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May,
there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more
horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the
public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said.


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Tempest wrote:
> Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>> Tempest wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tempest wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for
>>>>>>>>> saying...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they
>>>>>>>>>> should pull out; pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>> The ACLU has released documents relating to the child
>>>>>>>>>> prisoners in Abu Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom
>>>>>>>>>> of Information Act:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or
>>>>>>> Christian as their denomination on their enlistment forms. They
>>>>>>> have for what seems forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>>>> rather than a "humanity problem".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's both.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
>>>> Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a
>>>> diamond.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi
>>> boys as young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.
>>>
>>> Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with
>>> detainees raping each other?
>>
>>
>> The Pentagon says nothing
>
>
> Rumsfeld isn't in the Pentagon?
>
>
> After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May,
> there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more
> horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to
> the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld
> said.

Rumsfeld did not say there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys as
young as 13 at Abu Ghuraib. You are disgusting.
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:10:00 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
<C.E.Beauchamp@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:

>Tempest wrote:
>> Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>>> Tempest wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fredric L. Rice was cut from the Baylor football team for
>>>>>>>> saying...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Freedom Fries" <RedumblicansShouldBe@gaschambers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If this is what the troops are up to in Iraq maybe they should
>>>>>>>>> pull out; pun intended.
>>>>>>>>> The ACLU has released documents relating to the child prisoners
>>>>>>>>> in Abu Gharib, which it obtained under the Freedom of
>>>>>>>>> Information Act: http://www.12thharmonic.com/wordpress/?p=780
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't Christianity wonderful?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sad thing is that you don't realize that Christianity has
>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there was the Catholic Church pedophile scandal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What did that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the vast majority of the troops mark down Catholic or
>>>>>> Christian as their denomination on their enlistment forms. They
>>>>>> have for what seems forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that have to do with Abu Ghirab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>>> rather than a "humanity problem".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's both.
>>>
>>>
>>> Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
>>> Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.
>>
>>
>> The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys
>> as young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.
>>
>> Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with
>> detainees raping each other?
>
>The Pentagon says nothing

Nope. And not a single credible news source has even hinted at the
accusation, which was made by one man and picked up by every anti-bush
web site out there.

If there was even an iota of evidence to this claim (or if Dan Blather
could make one up) it would be all over the media.
 

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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:45:57 GMT, woodruffs@cableone.net (Trent
Woodruff) wrote:

>>Tempest was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
>>>Charles Beauchamp wrote:
>>>> Tempest wrote:
>>>>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>
>>>>>Again, it's sad that you think this is a "Christianity problem"
>>>>>rather than a "humanity problem".
>
>>>>It's both.
>
>>> Muslim detainees raping other Muslim detainees is a reflection upon
>>> Christianity in a similar way that a turd is identical to a diamond.
>
>>The Pentagon said there are videos of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi boys as
>>young as 13 at Abu Ghraib.
>
>I'm afraid you're going to have to provide a cite for this.

The Pentagon never said any such thing. Some left wingnut claimed it
happened and that the Pentagon has videos. To this moron, that somehow
becomes "The Pentagon said..."

>>Now what does U.S. soldiers raping young boys have to do with detainees
>>raping each other?
>
>What does it have to do with religion?
>
>
>
>Trent
>Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger
>
>...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.