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OC-ing ABIT NF7-S and AMD XP1700+

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April 29, 2003 1:56:42 PM

I am gong to get me these parts:
ABIT NF7-S rev 2.0
AMD XP1700+ JIUHB 0310
I know by now these two are real overclockers.

This is what I already have:
320W noname PSU
Thermaltake Dragon Orb 3
1024 MB DDR 333MHz PC2700 (nanya CL2,5)
GeForce 2 GTS 32MB (might OC this one a little too)
Soundblaster Live! player
WD 40 GB HD 7200 Rpm.
16 X ASUS DVD
52 x ASUS CD
32 X LG CDRW
3 Case fans. (one aimed on CPU, other one on GPU and a "out-fan" on top)
Acoustic insulation (a must because of the Tt)
CLB Big tower Case (Cracky Low Budget)

Descent enough for me, at the time (two years ago) it was the best available, but now?

What doe you advise me to upgrade besides the mobo and the CPU?
I think the PSU is a litle weak but is it enougth to overclock the 1700+?
And how far will the RAM probably go? 333? or higer?

This will be the last consult before i buy so make it good ;) 

Jodel
April 29, 2003 6:54:24 PM

The PSU may be a little weak, but if it is, you will find out right away. The ram will have to go. You can push that CPU over 400 Mhz FSB, and that ram will never take it. Mushkin (http://www.mushkin.com) has really great stuff at good prices. You are gonna have some fun!
April 29, 2003 11:19:08 PM

i agree, the ram will severely hamper your overclock and performance. the psu...you will find out soon if it can handle it =)
if you start getting unstable below what it seems like the system should do (i'd say at least 200x10) then it's probably a power problem, a 380W or 430W replacement would work

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April 30, 2003 2:01:55 AM

So I have to get some PC3200 RAM?
SH** I just bought this memory...

well i think i can sell it...

Do i need something like Kingston or Mushkin or will OEM PC2300 do? I have no intentions of going far over 400FSB....
Does CAS 2 or 2,5 make a BIG difference? (dunno what it actiually means... (yep I am a n00b...but I am addicted already))

Please post some sugestions on a PSU... I do NOT have big BUCK$ but i want something reasonable...

Greetzzz...

Jodel
April 30, 2003 3:26:20 AM

cas 2 vs 2.5 makes 2-3% difference probably, it's the difference between say a 2800 sandra memory benchmark score and 2884 (that's a 3% increase)
the rest of the timings have effects too
actually i just remembered a great article on this, lemme get it real quick...
<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr400...." target="_new">here it is</A>
oem PC3200 will do i suppose, except you may not be guaranteed that it will do 200mhz, and you may have to raise voltages and crap to make it do it
a good power supply would be the antec true power 380W, or the enermax equivalent of that wattage, i forget what it is

hey man i just thought of something too. depending on how good your nanya ends up being, you MAY be able to raise your ram voltage (VDIMM) up to 2.7V and overclock the ram to 3200 speeds. this would be much easier done with ddr333 sticks that were CL2 though.
you should check ebay for the PSU, you might get lucky, and check more than just 380, check higher wattages than that

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April 30, 2003 11:56:03 AM

This Nanya PC2700 333Mhz DDR works fine up to 180 mhz with 5-2-2-cl2,5 timing @ 2.77 Volt without heatsinks. It has has not been tested higher. Will I be able to go higher (200+) if I cool it down a little(or a lot)?
Would i need certain heatsinks or even fans or wil any do?

Greetzzz...

Jodel
April 30, 2003 3:00:37 PM

Well you can try heatspreaders if your RAM feels hot at 180MHz/2.77V. And you might be able to get more out of your RAM with an even higher Vdimm... something like 2.8-9V.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dims when I turn it on :eek: 
May 1, 2003 11:29:29 PM

I might be able to get my (greedy) hands on 512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM Cas 2 (Kingston HyperX)...
Would that do? I heard it can go quite fast... ;)  How fast actually???
I will have to start with 512 instead of 1024 but it wil compensate quantity with SPEED!!!! (isn't it?)

Greetzzz...

Jodel
May 2, 2003 1:09:24 PM

Well I don't know how fast that memory can when OC'ed... but it should be about 5% faster then your current memory when both are set to their fastest supported timings.

My dual-PSU PC is so powerfull that the neighbourhood dims when I turn it on :eek: 
May 2, 2003 2:58:04 PM

hmm 5% is not too much.. probably not worth the money?
But that only matters when they are both running on lets say 200 MHz. I don't even know if the Nanya can reach that. My current mobo does not suport al these OC-options. The memory ran at that speed (180MHz) in an other PC...
So 'Ill have to test it first before i spend my money on that Kingston [-peep-]...
Are there better memory solutions for the Hyper X Kingston memory? Is Corsair better? Or OCZ?

Greetzzz...

Jodel
May 2, 2003 3:05:11 PM

corsair ocz and hyper x will all overclock well for you, so get whatever's cheapest
the kingston 2700 cas2 might get you to 200 with overvolting
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But that only matters when they are both running on lets say 200 MHz. I don't even know if the Nanya can reach that.

are you saying you'd run both sticks in the machine? cuz that's pointless, you'd have to replace the ram to see a benefit, or as you say, the nanya would still be holding you back.
and when you say your current mobo does not support all of these OC options...i'm sure it supports a 1:1 ratio, which is what you'd be going for
are you sure your JIUHB can get to 180fsb? once you know that THAT's perfectly stable, then maybe get more memory

EDIT: meanwhile, if it's stable at 180, raise the multiplier to increase overall chip speed and get the most of it, while you wait for your ram
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May 2, 2003 4:39:35 PM

I am gonna replace all the memory ofcourse if I am gonna buy new memory.
I meant if i buy new CL2 memory it would only give me a 5% improvement on my older CL2,5 memory. So that wont be worth the money.
I only wondered if my Nanya could get to the 200 MHz... I know the Kingston would...
And i dont worry about the mobo , gonna get me the ABIT NF7-s rev 2 and the CPU will be capable of 200MHz it too...

Greetzzz...

Jodel<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jodel on 05/04/03 08:53 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 15, 2003 7:00:43 PM

Someone please take a look at my last question...
the topic is dissapearing to the back of the forum...

thnx,

Greetzzz...

Is it just me or are the Dutch slowly taking over THGC??? ;) 
May 16, 2003 2:47:26 PM

Which question exactly? Is it this one:
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Are there better memory solutions for the Hyper X Kingston memory? Is Corsair better? Or OCZ?

OCZ and Corsair is about the best you can get... but Kingston is also very nice.

Here is an comparison table from OCPrices of different sticks of PC3200 and PC3500 to give you an idea which company does good and which doesn't:
Corsair XMS3500 CAS2 462 2.7
GeIL PC3200 433 2.7
Geil PC3500 Ultra Platinum 456 2.7
Mushkin Enhanced PC3200 453 2.7
OCZ PC3500 456 2.7
OCZ EL-DDR PC3500 490 2.7
Performance Memory PC3200 438 2.7
Samsung DDR400 400 (@ cas 2.5) 2.5


My CPU fan spins so fast that it creates a wormhole :eek: 
May 24, 2003 10:15:27 AM

YESSS!!!!

The parts have arrived!!!
I got lucky with te CPU... it was a xp2800 so I hope it will be a nice overclock...

Ill post the results after the weekend... I have to go to another part of the country so nu OC-ing this weekend... :( 

Greetzzz...

Is it just me or are the Dutch slowly taking over THGC??? ;) 
May 26, 2003 12:09:32 AM

For now:
FSB 190
MP x10
Stressed 46 degrees... @ 1,7v
I think the cheap ass memory is holding it back... when I go past 380 Mhz for the memory I get those nasty blue screens... I don't want to raise the voltage on the modules to much, they are not cooled...
(PC2700 CL2,5-3-3-7)
For cheap memory it is doing well...i think (correct me if I'm wrong)
Tomorrow i will try to raise the multiplier for the CPU a little more...

Ahhhh.. my bed is calling me...

Is it just me or are the Dutch slowly taking over THGC??? ;) 
May 26, 2003 12:31:44 PM

Ok this topic can be closed... the stuff has been purchased and it works great... results are in new topic (XP1700 OC-Project)

Thnx for the feedback guys!!!

ABIT NF7-S rev 2.0
AMD XP1700+ JIUHB
NANYA PC2700 333
350W Noname PSU
Thermaltake Dragon Orb 3
3 12V 80mm Casefans
December 14, 2007 9:07:19 AM

WOW, I am amazed!

The system has been running absolutely problem free for almost 5 years now. Recently, the first signs of wear apeared...
Freezes, checksum errors and "unworkable cpu" errors happen all the time now...

This has been my best buy & build ever... 5 years stable on a 50% (XP 1700+ @ 2100 Mhz...) OC and I spent only about $ 400 on it... When I built this the performance was just below the top range of available systems wich were waaay more expensive!

HL2 and C&C 3 run great on this pc. ( not on the highest settings offcourse...)

Time to get me a new setup!
!