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May 13, 2003 11:10:06 PM

Got what I thought was 3/8" tubing here for my maxxxpert water cooling kit. turns out, its a hair bigger. Im guessing is that teh problem here is that this stuff was made in a country using the metric system.

sooo... 3/8"=.375=9.525mm

Im guessing this stuff is 10mm tubing. Whats a good place to get tubing at (and I only need about 4.5')?

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May 14, 2003 1:48:46 AM

i'm pretty sure any auto parts store has rubber tubing for radiators, etc, etc...

get used to metric. The whole damn world uses metrics... only in the US except scientists...
May 14, 2003 6:18:04 AM

just goes to show - imperial system = ppffffffffftttt

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May 14, 2003 8:35:05 AM

yeah in the uk we're not allowed to buy our food in ounces anymore. Damn Brussels. grr
i can still buy my beer in pints tho :D 


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May 14, 2003 2:26:34 PM

The metric system is superior to that stupid imperial system. And it is the international system used by scientists... why can't we just get totally rid of the dying imperial system?

My PC is so freaking big and heavy it bends space and time :eek: 
May 14, 2003 8:37:57 PM

and i can still buy my 40's in ounces (play on words - they sell 40 ounce bottles here, heh)

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May 14, 2003 10:03:14 PM

i wish america would move to the metric system, its so much easyer. especially trying to figure out socket sizes. stupid fractions, my mind doesnt work like that.

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May 14, 2003 11:01:58 PM

complete agreeance, I've missed intirely too many physics problems that want there answer in ft/sec instead of m/sec, metric is better so why not use it all the time
May 14, 2003 11:02:09 PM

tell me about it - i go to the store to get tubbing for watercooling setup, knowing that i need 1/2" ID... i'm in canada here, what the f#ck is 1/2" in millimeters, hah... luckily, we still use both.. guess we'll always have to compensate for american oddities :wink:

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May 15, 2003 1:39:49 AM

Imagine if US Dollars was in the imperial system...LOL
May 15, 2003 2:19:28 AM

hahahaha very true ... or even better, $1 canadian for 1 lb of US $ :smile: ! !

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May 15, 2003 1:10:38 PM

Here in Holland we use metric for as good as everything, except weel sizes and some tubing sizes... mostly because they're made in the countries that still use a system from the Dark Ages (j/k).

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May 15, 2003 6:10:34 PM

I grew up using the standard method for everything, and am slowly...switching over.

On everything that I monitor temperature with I'm now using C. But for some things, like miles per hour or weight, I find it damn hard to convert.

I'm not a stubborn stupid american or anything, but when someone says "I was going 50 kph" in my head I'm converting it to mph, same for meters and yards/feet.

I'm totally cool with Celsius or Liters though, I wish we'd switch that right now

It's all good ^_^
May 15, 2003 6:52:18 PM

40's just would NOT be the same in metric, would they?

Would really mess up rap lyrics.

From
"Rollin' through da hood, sippin' on my foe-ty..."
to
"Rollin' through da hood, sippin' on my 11.829 deciliter..."

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May 15, 2003 7:24:34 PM

thats the way it should be :lol:  ! besides, the only place to still use imperial system is the US ... slow to learn, as usual :wink:

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May 15, 2003 9:20:59 PM

Hah, that's great

It would mess up all sorts of systems that we Americans use way... too much

- Gallon of milk
- 13 gallon gas tank
- 9/12/20/32/44/64 ounce fountain drinks
- mph
- how much would a dime bag be in euros? lol

It's all good ^_^
May 16, 2003 3:27:36 PM

Don't they use it in the UK too?

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May 16, 2003 7:57:36 PM

I am an Aircraft Mechanic, and NO arcraft produced in the United States has ever, or will ever have metric bolts and nuts. Mainly because MS (Military Spec) and AN hardeware has worked for so long.

Being so, the only metric tools I own are a Crescent Wrench (adjustable wrench) and a Hammer. I would be so screwed if I bought a new car or truck (my 1985 K10 is all American) because I can't use metric.

If I look at a bolt, I can tell if it is a 1/2 inch socket, or a 9/16. Just by looking at it. If I look at a metric bolt, I grab a set of somebody else's metric sockets, look at the holes in the end, and use trial and error to find the one that fits. I probably never look at what size it is.

I hate metric as a mechanic. I also have no problem converting, so I have no problems there. And all my torque values are in inch/pounds or foot/pounds. Sounds cooler than newton/meters.

Although I use the metric system for some things, a total change to the metric system would suck.

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May 16, 2003 8:53:03 PM

do they? don't think so... i think they still use some of the measurements, like here, but mainly use the metric system... i think, heh

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May 17, 2003 12:52:26 PM

That is what you get when you have way to much experience with the imperial system.

But if you purely look for both system objectifly it comes clear the metric system is superior to the imperial one. The USA might need to start thinking of (slowly) changing otherwise the world will laugh at them, as metric is going to be the international system for the future.

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May 17, 2003 7:28:47 PM

Metric system = one of only 2 good things to come out of France (the other is wine).

The US and I believe the Phillipines are the only 2 countries left still using Imperial. Kinda says something when even the Brits, the people who invented it, are abandoning it.

My personal favorite is that a British gallon and a US gallon is not the same.

Now imagine if the US military switched over to metric. All those $40,000 wrenches would have to be replaced. Then they'd go overboard and insist that the screwdrivers and hammers have to be replaced as well ("We can't have a 5 pound sledgehammer, we need a metric one"). Then they'd have to order the left handed version of all those $40,000 wrenches, screwdrivers and hammers.

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May 17, 2003 9:31:44 PM

We are changing slowly: Every can od soda, all bottles of anything, all packaging of foods in general, has both U.S. measurments AND metric measurments.

EXAMPLE:
Can od Coca-Cola (in front of me now)

12 FL OZ
(355 mL)

And all things are like that here.


But really, who cares if the rest of the world laughs at us? Just because the U.S. is superior (that is why everybody hates us, they are jealous) is no reason to be laughed at. Although we are on a steady decline, which started shortly after the original laws were set.

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May 18, 2003 1:35:44 PM

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But really, who cares if the rest of the world laughs at us? Just because the U.S. is superior (that is why everybody hates us, they are jealous) is no reason to be laughed at. Although we are on a steady decline, which started shortly after the original laws were set.

Well if everybody laughs at you and you stich with a dying system then your international importance will degrade slowly. The world isn't going to addept to the imperial system so you have to adept to the metric one if you don't want to get isolated and want to loose your superiority (which is going to disappear anyway the comming century IMHO).
And people hating you because you're superior... I don't think you're right about that. There are far better reason for people to hate the USA.

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May 18, 2003 3:37:59 PM

They have both Imperial and metric not out of any desire to switch, but because they have to have the metric if they want to export the soda. Anything created for purely domestic consumption will have only Imperial.

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May 18, 2003 4:13:12 PM

What I mean by superior is not superior people, but a superior way of government. I, right now, could go down the street and buy a gun. I can get a Magnum Research Desert Eagle .50AE, or a Remmingtonn 12 Guage, or a Styer Scout 308 ect. ect. ect. The only BS is the local liberal communist bastards are trying to remove that RIGHT (see Constitution, amendment 2) for me to keep and bear arms.

In the same respect, Capitalism is the only way that can prosper, and will prosper. Note socialism throughout the history and find out how many times that has failed within the century. how many times has capitalism failed? NONE. It is the only viable option for a lasting system.

I am a firm believer in the government not making my decisions. However, due to the communist rat bastards in the government, they tell us crap like how much water a toilet can have in it for flushing... WTF? If I want a 25 gallon (how many litres is that?) toilet, then dammit, I'll HAVE a 25 gallon toilet.

Even though we have a long ways to go before our government is really good (which will never happen at the rate we are going) it is a better system and way to go about things. I really don't think I could live without the right to do anything morally correct that I wanted to do (ie. own a gun, say what I want when I want to whom I want ect.)

I choose freedom. If some lowlife decides to break into my house, I have every RIGHT to shoot and kill him, and I will. How many countries with the beloved metric system have all of these options, without filling in gobs of paperwork and waiting a year?

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May 18, 2003 5:47:31 PM

Well I'm very against the American (IMHO insane) gunlaws... if you compare the amount of people killed by guns in the USA (260 million people) with the EU-15 (370 million people) the value of the USA is about ten times higher... but I rest my point here. I can't understand why anyone would need a gun to protect himselve from whatever... you're not your own judge/court.

As for capitalism... if you want to see when it failed (in its true form) take a look at the situation right after the Industrial Revolution... that was pure capitalism. And can you give me some examples when socialism failed ( so NOT communism)? IMHO socialism combines the best out of capitalism and communism (and NOT stalinism!)

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I am a firm believer in the government not making my decisions. However, due to the communist rat bastards in the government, they tell us crap like how much water a toilet can have in it for flushing... WTF? If I want a 25 gallon (how many litres is that?) toilet, then dammit, I'll HAVE a 25 gallon toilet.

Yeah who cares about the environment and the costs the government has to clean that water. I think government has to make certain rules in order to stop us greedy humans waste everything we got without thinking about others.

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I choose freedom. If some lowlife decides to break into my house, I have every RIGHT to shoot and kill him, and I will. How many countries with the beloved metric system have all of these options, without filling in gobs of paperwork and waiting a year?

IMO no-one has the right to play its own judge... if we all are going to do that the world will be doomed.

If everyone on this planet has unlimited freedom... then humans will be extincted within 100 years.

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May 18, 2003 10:49:52 PM

hmm...when capitalism failed... how bout when the Communist Soviets fell and turned into captalistic RUSSIA. I'm sure those 70 year old seniors appreciated unemployment with the new capitalistic system, not to mention increase in crime(aka mafia), whereas during the Soviet era, the gov't took care of them.

I personally like guns, and will buy a gun in the future. Why?? If people (crazy, deranged) have the right to buy guns, then I will to protect myself. Kinda like the mentality: IF CHINA, N. KOREA, INDIA has nukes, then USA will have nukes.
May 18, 2003 10:50:00 PM

hmm...when capitalism failed... how bout when the Communist Soviets fell and turned into captalistic RUSSIA. I'm sure those 70 year old seniors appreciated unemployment with the new capitalistic system, not to mention increase in crime(aka mafia), whereas during the Soviet era, the gov't took care of them.

I personally like guns, and will buy a gun in the future. Why?? If people (crazy, deranged) have the right to buy guns, then I will to protect myself. Kinda like the mentality: IF CHINA, N. KOREA, INDIA has nukes, then USA will have nukes.
May 19, 2003 10:19:40 AM

"IMO no-one has the right to play its own judge..."

Bullshit (exuse my language, but it is the only word that completely describes it)

When somebody is trying to harm me (has intent od doing bodily injury or murder) the sob is a dead man. Does anybody REALLY think that within their 5 minutes of beating you senslees and killing you that your government's judicial system will save you? Sorry, but that person stands no chance breaking into my home. I AM my own judge, I can think for myself thank you very much.

As for the most gun kills and such, i will not debate that. However, I will state a flaw in our government's idea of a good time, to remove guns from the general public. In that respect, they are increasing crime rate. There is a town in Texas or Nebraska or something that REQUIRES any able minded/bodied person to have a gun in the house-hold. Since 1982, this 1 million person town has had no gun killings. Except two drunk out of towners who dared each other to shoot one another. Of course that was their own stupidity, and they have every right to screw up and die like that IMO.

If you get the chance, read th Constitution of the United States of America. There, you will find that only laws which regard moral values and government logicstics are covered. In other words, nobody should kill unless their life is threatened, don't steal, don't be bad ect. I am a very conservative NRA member who believes that government, in general, is evil. I am not, however, an anarchist. The founding fathers of our great nation were in the same mind set as I, as can be seen by reading the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. To limit government in its ability to turn into a non-republic state. We vote people into office to make decisions for us. If they do things we don't like, we vote somebody else in. This, of course, is the majority of the population voting.

I am a person who should be accountable for my actions. Every person should be accountable for their actions. Every person should have the right to stand up for what he believes. Every person should have the right to do what ever he wants to within the limits of harming others or moral values.

Also, every time the government institutes more gun laws, to restrict guns, crime rates and gun deaths have risen. This is true fact and can be read at NRA.org if you do a little research. Although the NRA is pro gun, they do not lie or slander to get their point accross, they tell the truth.

I am trying not to bash on you, but I feel strongly about being a U.S. citizen and having the ability to make the choice if I want to own a firearm or not. I have the right to be me, not what the government wants me to be.

I would also like to state that in the Constitution, there is a clause stating that we have the right to overthrow our government to reset and start again should the majority of the population see as necessary. If the government attempts to stop us, we have guns, to overthrow the corrupt government. If your governemnt leaders were super corrupt, would you want the option of removing them from office by force, as to protect your right to live free? Do not take the term freedom as a bunch of americans running around wildly with guns shooting everything. It is just not true.

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May 19, 2003 12:11:11 PM

Well I'm not going to say communism works... it might sound nice in theory but it doesn't work in the real-world.

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I personally like guns, and will buy a gun in the future. Why?? If people (crazy, deranged) have the right to buy guns, then I will to protect myself. Kinda like the mentality: IF CHINA, N. KOREA, INDIA has nukes, then USA will have nukes.

That mentality caused the Cold War... and I rather ban everyone from getting a gun then allow everyone to get a gun. If every idiot can get one and starts shooting around the ones around him if carrying a gun will be death before they could use it. :smile:

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May 19, 2003 12:20:04 PM

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When somebody is trying to harm me (has intent od doing bodily injury or murder) the sob is a dead man. Does anybody REALLY think that within their 5 minutes of beating you senslees and killing you that your government's judicial system will save you? Sorry, but that person stands no chance breaking into my home. I AM my own judge, I can think for myself thank you very much.[/quote
Well there are rules that allow people to self-devence... and unless you continued beating someone up after you defended yourselve you wont get problems with the law.

And as soon as we all may play judge I think I have the right to shoot the crap out of everyone who disagrees with me because I judge that everyone who disagrees with me deserve to get shot... get it? Without rules and laws the world will turn into a place where we kill everyone who we dislike. As soon as you give people to much freedom they mess it up.

That is why I'm happy there are laws and that if you just shoot a burgelar who wasn't even attacking you you will get into prisson for a long long time.

And if we still had out first constitution our king/queen would still have absolute power. Sometimes constitutions have to change because the world changes... unless you like living in the 18th century.

But lets stop this totally useless debate before it gets out of hand.

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May 19, 2003 4:43:55 PM

good point. Personally, if the US is gonna start banning guns, they should start out redrafting the constitution, as many people see it as too old. Better yet, they need to start with the Nukes and disarmament before that. Better yet, why not start with the terrorists. Better yet, what about the commie countries out to nuke the US. Better yet....we just keep going on and on. There is no end......
May 19, 2003 9:03:27 PM

I agree, but you mistookk what i meant about a judge. I mean a judge which decide weather his.her life is in danger judge, not you go to jail judge. You be the judge of that. :p 

Oh, and nobody in the USA wants the constitution changed, but some have incorrect veiwings on its meanings.

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May 20, 2003 5:09:49 PM

Well you may judge if you're own live is in danger... but the police will always do an inspection (well they should do atleast). If it appears you made a wrong judgement or shot without reason you still can go to jail, don't pass start and don't get $2000.

If someone surrenders or doesn't carry any weapon and you still shoot him you're have a huge change you go into jail.

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May 20, 2003 10:02:13 PM

I'm glad in my state if someone comes into my home without being invited in ANY area of the property which is owned by ME, I can shoot them no questions asked.
May 21, 2003 8:03:41 AM

Same in Alaska, I can also do so if I ask them to remove themselves from my property and telling them my intentions. If they do not leave, I have the legal ability to drop him. Not that anybody does, but it can be. Actually, a church minister did that a couple weeks ago come to think of it. He killed both guys, which have been identified as two burglers, burglerized like 10 places before they got caught by the wrong man. See, even church people own gunz in Alaska, almost EVERYBODY ownz gunz in Alaska...... Bears can be bad, so you need at LEAST a 44 Mag Revolver as defense. You'd be stupid to go hiking without one.

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May 21, 2003 7:23:00 PM

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I'm glad in my state if someone comes into my home without being invited in ANY area of the property which is owned by ME, I can shoot them no questions asked.

And I'm happy that I don't live in a state with insane (and back to the Dark Ages) laws like that.

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May 28, 2003 6:12:22 AM

My favorite is NASA slamming one of their expensive and fragile space probes into the marsian surface at high speed due to not converting from lb to Kg when calculating thrust :smile:

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May 28, 2003 8:27:51 AM

NASA are he same people who have cool things like 'Explosive Bolts'. So like, you can press a button and all the bolts holding something on wil explode, letting the thing go.

I want some explosive bolts.

Oh yeah, it was their own damn fault for using metric in the first place.... :p 

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May 28, 2003 1:51:24 PM

You know that I would rather use a Russian rocket to get into space then the NASA space shuttle.

You can say much about the Russians... but their space crafts are very good. The Soejoez/Progress rocket is currently the rocket with the lowest amount of accidents.

PooBaa did you ever did some reading about Mars landers? There where a lot of them... but the amount of landers/spacecrafts that had an accident around Mars is huge. Makes you wonder...

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May 28, 2003 11:31:40 PM

I want to be a NASA astournaut. It must feel so good to be flying millions of miles above earth on a space craft that was built by the lowest bidding contractor.....

So that NASA forgot to do a conversion for the MARS craft?? And that's why it crashed?? Did not know that.... Any good websites on this??
May 29, 2003 12:28:36 PM

I don't have them... ask PooBaa.

I don't like the idea on fbeing an NASA astronout after what happened with the Columbia. According to scientific articles the shuttle could have been saved although it would take a lot of time... NASA policy seemed to be 'lets cross our fingers and hope for the best'.

A real shame as it costed the life of 7 astronouts and now totally fvcked up the ISS buidling scedule and space shuttle lauch scedule.

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June 2, 2003 5:47:42 PM

NASA submits all it's contracts in metric measurements so that international consortiums can bid as well as domestic. The conversion error was not on NASA's side but on a subcontractor who did an incorrect conversion from metric to imperial.

I'd love to be in a 20 year old vehicle with over 2 million moving parts built by the lowest bidder.

Never travel in a space shuttle who's name starts with the letter C.

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June 3, 2003 12:24:53 PM

Make that: Never traffel in any space shuttle.

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