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December 10, 2012 12:22:37 AM

For starters, im not sure where this should go, it falls under both gaming and computers so its eh at best.

I have the need to replace mainly the CPU and motherboard for my current computer, but i am not sure if i can find said parts that would be compatible with my current pieces. I've run into the belief that i may have to replace the entire system to get what i want out of a system for gaming purposes. This being a system that can run current platform of games and games possibly within the next 2 years at a reasonable frame rate, with as little sacrifice on graphics if possible.

I've been playing the same game for 8 years on a computer that has run at best on a given day 10fps down to as low as 1fps, in extremely intense fights. PvP is basically impossible with my system and the only reason i can do anything is because I've gotten so use to low frames that it doesn't bother me, but i can tell the difference between 10 and 5 fps, it goes from somewhat responsive to just unplayable.

I have money issues so i need a system that can fall as low as possible in price without giving up too much, its hard to fall lower than low settings on every game you play so it should be easy.

I currently run a discontinued "acer aspire t180", the motherboard and cpu are the only stock parts left, I've replaced the video card with a 9800 gt, the power supply with a 500W(i forget what brand), replaced memory, but i believe I'll have to replace that with a new motherboard.

It was supposed to only be a temp system but things happened and it ended up being a 500$ system that some slime ball said would run any current game without a problem. Sadly at the time i was in a bind and couldn't ask the questions i should have before buying it.

If i could get any suggestions on either a new system entirely or just parts that will work with what i have already, I can build from the ground up if needed but if there's a decent already built system i wouldn't mind that either.

I'd like to range to be as low as possible but anything under 600$ would be awesome. Keeping in mind this is solely for gaming. ^^

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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2012 1:13:34 AM

if you dont have much cash then buying a socket 775 motherboard for about 30 and a second hand quad core for about 60 would be a good upgrade fro what you already have. if you want to spend a little more than 100 then 400 will get you a p77 motherboard 55 a i5 quad core 150 4gigs of ddr3 25-30 and 150ish for a gfx card...
latter you can add a better hdd.
these are in pounds.
in bux at about 25% or an extra 100 spread between everything.
if your on a real tight budget then newegg may be the best place to shop for new parts as they offer free p'n'p or rebates either there and then or post in.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I... 348 for this combo of board, cpu and ram with a 1tb hdd thrown in for measure. a very decent deal. leaving that 150 for a gfx card from a 500 budget.

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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2012 1:52:28 AM

You are probably right that starting from scratch is best, especially if you can afford to spend a bit of money.
One important thing to know would be -
Are you planning to keep your monitor? If so, what resolution does it run at?
It's a lot of extra money.

Here's a rough example of what you could afford, but there's plenty of options if you want to spend more on your graphics (which makes sense if you are only wanting a gaming machine).
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $604.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-09 22:51 EST-0500)

With the power of immediate hindsight, I probably should have included an OS in that, that'll hurt the budget a bit.
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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2012 2:16:30 AM

Won't let me edit my last post for some reason. Added OS and the 2Gb version of the graphics card, but it meant dropping to an i3.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $614.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-09 23:14 EST-0500)
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December 10, 2012 3:31:11 AM

well do not go to a stor if you want to have a good gaming pc ever, 8 years ago there were no gaming pcs like today. if you build your own it well last you for a long time.
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December 10, 2012 7:50:33 AM

Intel Core i3-2120 BX80623I32120 Processor - Dual Core, 3MB L3 Smart Cache, 512KB L2 Cache, 3.30 GHz, Socket H2 (LGA1155), 65W, Fan, Retail
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Diablotek PSDA600 DA Series 600W Power Supply - ATX, 600 Watts, 2x 80mm Fans
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

MSI DH-18D5S 18X DVDROM Drive - DVD-ROM 18X, CD-ROM 48X, SATA
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Ultra XBlaster Mid-Tower V2 Case - ATX, MicroATX, USB 2.0, Audio, 6x 3.5" Bays, 4x 5.25" Bays, 7x PCI Slots, Lifetime Warranty with Registration
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Crucial Ballistix BLS2KIT4G3D1339DS1S0 Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB), PC3-10600, DDR3-1333MHz, 240-pin DIMM, 1.5V, CL9, Non-ECC, Unbuffered
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

PNY VCGGTX550TVXPB GeForce GTX 550 Ti Video Card - 1024MB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0 (x16), 1x DVI, 1x VGA, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, Dual-Slot
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Microsoft WN7-00404 Windows 8 Operating System Software - 64-Bit, OEM
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Biostar H77MU3 Intel 7 Series Motherboard - MicroATX, Socket (LGA 1155), Intel H77 Express Chipset, 1600MHz DDR3, SATA III 6Gb/s, RAID, 6-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Toshiba HDKPC03 DT01ACA100 1TB Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200 RPM, SATA, 3.5"
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...


all on 1 website $610 but get it now befor dills are gon if the dills are gon then look at these
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/catego...|c:114|lp:500:hp:999.99|&Sort=4&Recs=10

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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2012 9:20:57 AM

First let's decide whether you want a new system or just upgrading the current one. People rushed suggesting totally new systems, but is that really necessary if you have money problems? 9800 GT isn't that bad of a card, it compares to HD 7750.

If you want the cheapest option, I'd suggest getting a B75 motherboard along with i3-3220 and 8 GB of RAM (which is cheap, hence 8GB).

If you want to upgrade the whole system, you need to make a list of parts you can recycle (DVD burner, Hard drive, OS?), so you could spend all the available money on what you need.

If I were you, I'd personally not buy a whole new system, as there's definitely things in your current PC that you can recycle.
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December 10, 2012 9:27:47 AM

In 2004 there were indeed home-built gaming PCs. :p 

I 2nd only buying/replacing what you need to.

I dunno if the GeForce 9800 GT is 'that' comparable to the Radeon HD 7750, the texel rate is higher which reduces stuttering frame rate when the scene changes and during action but the overall performance of the Radeon HD 7750 will be about +33% higher.
- http://www.hwcompare.com/11847/geforce-9800-gt-512mb-vs...
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a b 4 Gaming
December 10, 2012 9:46:35 AM

Specs don't really reflect real world performance...
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December 17, 2012 4:20:39 AM

I plan on keeping my monitor its a 24" and runs i think its 1980 x 1050? at least that's what my system currently supports for highest res. And if i recall intel products tend to run more expensive, and i prefer AMD since I've really only ever had AMD.
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December 17, 2012 4:36:14 AM

At best i would prefer to just replace the mother board and cpu if that is possible with my parts.

I would like better than a dual core somewhere around a quad atleast? with a mobo that will support my graphics card which mentioned above is a geforce 9800 GT, Also i run XP since its the only thing would run anything else without causing issues with resources, in short i would need a new OS as well.

My hdd is fine as long as the cpu hasn't caused too much dmg, I've had to reformat a lot due to a number of reasons, but if i did have to replace it wouldn't have to be any bigger than maybe 200ishgb, i dont use much space lol.

All in all if its much cheaper to replace 3 parts and have it run like i want i would love that.

But once again the suggestion of even a full build, keeping in mind cheaper alternatives like AMD products, would be just as liked.

Its like this, i've had a few ATI cards and i managed to melt all of them, but i've never melted a nvidia card. -shrug- I've had no issues with AMD products thus i support them, i dont care about name brand i go for what has worked for me and is a good stand by.

I've had this computer for quite some time and she hasn't given out on me yet, surprisingly so i can stand by my loyalty to cheaper brands.

I've run games like: LoL, WoW - MoP, Dragon Age 2, many F2P games, etc. And while the frames are meh, it hasn't completely killed her and shes still running well, its just getting that time to start thinking about replacing her, ima miss betty sadly D:.
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a b 4 Gaming
December 17, 2012 8:47:17 AM

Good choice. Upgrading the whole system would be a waste of your money.

Well, something like this would be awesome. i5 is the best CPU on the market right now, and I've chosen a good motherboard to go with it. You'll probably need to upgrade the RAM as well - your old PC used DDR2.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $489.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-17 05:45 EST-0500)

This CPU/motherboard will be decent for 5 years. So it will last you a long time - a worthy investment.
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a b 4 Gaming
December 17, 2012 10:53:05 AM

i know your a fan of the coolermaster hyper 212 sunius but you gotta remember the fan that comes with it is noisy... if your gonna keep recomending it , which i have no issue with. maybe you shopuld also recommend they get a luqid dynamic bearing fan... they are absolutley silent and last longer... for about 15bux you can get a variable 1 that will push 75cfm but do it silently instead of sounding like a dustdevil in the case.

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a b 4 Gaming
December 17, 2012 10:57:51 AM

Hehe, well, I think that cooler is extremely great for its price. I don't think it is that noisy - build some PCs with it inside.

But yea, if it is too loud, Hexit's advice is great.
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December 17, 2012 7:07:18 PM

also as a reference, if you can pickup the i5 processor it would run games smoother then a 13 or a 17 imo, the hyperthreading on the 13 and i7 isn't compatible with games so even though the i3 is less the i5 would be more efficient.

Thats what i did when i purchased my system :)  hope that helps
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