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December 10, 2012 9:00:15 PM

I'm building my first pc, planning on using primarily for gaming (Can't get enough of those great Skyrim graphics I've been seing on PCs). I've got some of the parts lined up after research, but what do you experts think as far as my choices so far? I'd like to be playing Skyrim at some pretty high graphics settings, and I know I'll be playing Chivalry a lot as well (if that matters)

Case
* Thermaltake Chaser MK-1
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

I know $120 is a lot to spend on a case, but I'm pretty set on the Chaser since it looks to be amazing at cooling and aesthetically as well.

PSU
* Raidmax Hybrid 2 RX 730SS
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Motherboard
* Foxconn A9D
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

CPU
* AMD Athalon II X4 640 Quad Core
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

RAM
* G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Video Card
* PowerColor AX7850
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

HDD
* Western Digital Caviar Green WD15EZRX
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....)

Optical Drive
* DVD Burner

The total is roughly $650 right now, and I'm trying to stay within that price range. Thanks guys!

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December 10, 2012 9:19:29 PM

skyrim even at its highest settings isnt a very demanding game, so your current setup would be enough to run it along with any 3rd party HD mods out there. With a gtx560 1gb that i have currently, you can run it at highest settings with HD textures and the fxaa injector mod, so your build will definitely be able to get it done.
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December 10, 2012 9:29:11 PM

Stuff that would be good to know is your monitor resolution. It might not effect your spending dramatically, but it will have a huge effect on the end result.

Overall, you'll probably be ok with that build, but you can significantly improve your "bang per buck".

Skyrim is pretty CPU heavy, and your CPU isn't fantastic.
Also you might want to consider a better PSU, that one is unrated.

Also, the Caviar green series are low power usage, most are 5400rpm. I really don't know how badly an effect this might have when you use it as your primary/boot drive, even if its 7200rpm. Perhaps someone can offer you better advice on this.
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December 11, 2012 10:09:09 AM

I play skyrim on medium setting with quad core and 9600 gso at 1440 resolution, and 50+ plus mods included 2k texture and superb enb, well, ii get 60 to 20 fps though,
But this is only on my second rig, not my 670 rig

Take a look at tomshardware 500$ build, it good, but u might want an i3 or mid i5 if u can afford it
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December 11, 2012 11:24:57 AM

Skyrim loves good CPUs. That's why the athlon will not cut it.

Secondly, don't buy raidmax power supply units unless you want your computer to explode.

Thirdly, do you really need a DVD burner?

Lastly, I wouldn't advice getting a caviar green as a boot drive. It will make your PC crawl.

I've adjusted the list a bit, tell me what you think:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $645.43
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 08:24 EST-0500)
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December 11, 2012 7:29:55 PM

Thanks! I've actually switched the CPU for an FX 6300, and switched over to a corsair PSU. Here's the new set up:

CPU
* AMD FX 6300 Vishera
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Motherboard
* GIGABYTE GA-970A-DS3
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Memory
* G.SKILL Ripjaw 8GB
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Storage:
* Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Video Card
* GIGABYTE GV-R785OC-2GD
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Case
* NZXT Lexa S
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

Power Supply
* Corsair CX750
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)

and yes, I do need a DVD burner for my business.
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December 11, 2012 7:43:06 PM

Really man, it's wrong to go for fx CPUs. They are overpriced and perform terribly. You will not get good performance in skyrim with them. Even i3 is 50% better for skyrim.

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December 11, 2012 7:47:55 PM

If your interested in gaming, Id recommend an Intel build. AMD look great on paper, but as everyone says, they get demolished. If you have a microcenter around you, look up the i5 3570k. Its $169 (normally $220) and as a bonus, you get an additional $50 off any motherboard. And the rest you can use newegg.

Microcenter
i5 3570k $169.99
ASRock Z77 Pro4 $59.99
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 8GB $39.99
Newegg
Radeon 7870 $249.99 (Overclock to 7950 capabilities, and cheaper)
Case of your choice
Hard Drive of your choice
Power supply of your choice

Total $520 (without case, PSU, and HDD) for top notch gaming components.

This is the exact build I am about to pursue :sol: 
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December 11, 2012 9:02:32 PM

Thanks! I'll definitely look into intel builds now. From what little knowledge of gaming PCs, the i5 is a pretty good processor, right?
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December 11, 2012 9:14:41 PM

i5 are the best gaming CPUs in the world. There isn't anything better you can get. i5-3570k is fastest of them all, however, I don't think you can fit it in your budget.
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December 11, 2012 9:46:59 PM

Well with your build being about $520 without case, psu, and HDD, I think I may be able to manage it. What about video cards as far as gaming goes? You're planning on the 7870 I see, but do you think a 7850 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) will do well for gaming graphics?
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December 11, 2012 9:47:29 PM

i5 is top of the line for gaming. As for an i7, only difference is that is has more threads, which does nothing for gaming. And as for your budget, you have a remaining $130 for a PSU, Case, and HDD. If you dont have a microcenter around you, opt for a cheaper case, hdd, and maybe a radeon 7850 instead.

EDIT: ^^He read my mind :sol: 
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December 11, 2012 10:02:55 PM

The CX750 is an excellent choice for the PSU. I've got one and had previously relied on expensive modular units from Corsair, BeQuiet and CoolerMaster.
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December 12, 2012 12:39:13 AM

This is what I'm thinking as far as an intel build, but for the life of me I can't decide on a motherboard. Any suggestions for the rest of the build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($201.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.89 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $519.83
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 21:38 EST-0500)

Edit: i5 is $200 as there is no microcenter near me.
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December 12, 2012 2:57:17 AM

ASRock Z77 Pro4. Without a doubt. the Z77 chipset was built for Ivy Bridge, and overclocks that processor like a monster. Not to mention its rock solid stability, especially in that price range.
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December 12, 2012 3:42:19 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($81.90 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.89 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $694.74
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 00:34 EST-0500)

Here's what i think you should get.
It's similar to your build but it uses a graphics card that is a lot faster, a much, much better power supply, and a more reliable hard drive.
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December 12, 2012 4:14:08 AM

^this

I was planning on making a list and all that, but i have to agree with Kamen_BG
That setup will do a great job even if you end up wanting to play more demanding games. If you don't play on overclocking the CPU you can go for an i5-3570(no K) but the price difference is minor. Also, an 550w or 650w PSU is more than enough if you want to save a couple of $$ and throw it into the case you wanted.
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December 12, 2012 4:17:07 AM

This is what I'm thinking currently. Is there anyway I can get a cheaper motherboard that wont bottleneck (and will still crossfire)? I don't really understand the whole bottleneck thing. Again, the i5 is $200, not $169.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3P Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($63.91 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT LEXA S (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($76.98 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.89 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $727.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 01:15 EST-0500)
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December 12, 2012 8:07:19 AM

I'm an idiot. Here I was thinking I needed a 3570k to run Skyrim on ultra settings, when I need what, a 2500k? Or do you guys think I should stay with the 3570k? Though I think I may keep it so I can stay up to date with upcoming games and their graphics. I apologize for all the newbie questions.
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December 12, 2012 8:38:13 AM

Quote:
Video Card
* PowerColor AX7850
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)


Skyrim runs much smoother on NVIDIA GeForce cards! :sol: 
- http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processo...


I'm aware that this is the GTX660 Ti vs the Radeon HD 7950, but those thick red sections indicate the frame rate is anything but consistent...

UPDATE:
- It's much less noticeable between a Radeon HD 7850 and GeForce GTX660 though...
- http://www.hwcompare.com/13303/geforce-gtx-660-vs-radeo...

I'd recommend seeing them in action 'side-by-side' to decide which one has a smoother frame rate.


If I find a Radeon HD 7850 vs GeForce GTX 660 (non Ti) of the above pic I'll message you.

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December 12, 2012 2:20:24 PM

A bottleneck means that the CPU isn't fast enough to forward all of the processing information to the video card, which in turn only allows the video card to run at a lesser speed than its capability.

As for the 2500k, that is actually $220 whereas the 3570k is $215. Ivy bridge is the better bet only because the price difference is the same as sandy bridge, but you get newer technology on top of it.

Here is what I'm thinking for you, everything from Newegg:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ NEWEGG)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ($89.99 @ NEWEGG)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 ST1000DM005/HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM ($69.99 @ NEWEGG)
Video Card: SAPPHIRE 100355-1GOCL Radeon HD 7850 ($189.99 @ NEWEGG)
Case: NZXT LEXA S (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Apevia CB700W 80% Efficiency(39.99 NEWEGG)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $736.93

I dont see where you found the Corsair Builder 750w PSU for $69.99. Also, IMO that is a little steep for a PC case, although it is your computer. For the final total, thats not a bad price for a full out quality gaming PC.
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December 12, 2012 6:38:04 PM

So you recommended the 7850 instead of the 7870?
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December 12, 2012 7:11:50 PM

Well, it's less powerful, but also cheaper. I keep seeing people recommending stuff over your budget. If that $650 still applies, I think that the build I made in my first post in the thread is your best option.

For the power supply unit: don't go with Apevia. Just don't. Stick with quality brand such as Antec, Corsair, Seasonic or XFX. It's one part you don't want to compromise on.

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December 12, 2012 8:04:22 PM

As far as budget goes, it looks like it's going to be around $700 now, but that's if I use an AMD build. I know most people on here seem to prefer the i5 (and I can see why with the benchmarks I've seen), but for $100 cheaper, would this AMD FX 6300 build still be able to run games on max settings? I've heard the 660 would be better than the 7870 for gaming, plus it drops my price about $20 and comes with AC III which I was planning on buying anyway.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: NZXT LEXA S (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($76.98 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $683.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 17:03 EST-0500)
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December 12, 2012 8:10:02 PM

Only reason I recommended the 7850 over the 7870 is because of price. Its about $50 cheaper. As for the power supply, I said Apevia just because I personally have that model and works great. Building a complete PC from the ground up to max out skyrim will be in the $700 range, give or take. If $650 is your ceiling, opt for a cheaper case, cheaper processor, or cheaper motherboard (if your not interested in overclocking).

i5 3350P is $25 less than the 3570k
Case for ~$50
ASRock B75M-DGS $55

Between those 3 differences, youll be down an additional $85. Which should bring you down to about $650.

EDIT: If your interested in gaming, I highly recommend against going AMD. An extra $50 from the FX6300 to the i5 3350P, the performance gain is huge.
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December 12, 2012 9:19:00 PM

I think I've settled on everything besides the graphics card. Do you suggest the 660 or a 7870?
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December 12, 2012 9:33:15 PM

Sunius build is almost undoubtedly the best so far

3450>3350P, it's got a better turbo mode and is cheaper. If you aren't overclocking then 3450/3470 is usually the best option.

You don't need anything like a 750W PSU. Someone suggested an 850W? Oo

If you are going with a 3450/3470, I'd personally be inclined to spend a little more on the motherboard, but it's hard to make an argument for it, you aren't loosing many features.

One change I would suggest is taking more money from the case budget and putting it into graphics. There are plenty of decent cases you can pick up for cheaper. It's a bit subjective so hard to make suggestions, but there's stuff from Antec, Coolermaster etc which comes in quite cheaply.

If that's not an option, there is currently a GTX660 from Newegg which is $180 after rebates, meaning it's pretty good value.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
In general, the GTX660 is better than the HD7850, usually more competitive with the HD7870, though in Skyrim there's not a lot in it.

To shamelessly steal Sunius and modify build-

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-E33 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $660.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 18:32 EST-0500)

It's a little over, but I hear good things about the cooler on the HIS card so stuck it in.
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December 12, 2012 10:38:25 PM

joncripe said:
I've heard the 660 would be better than the 7870 for gaming


660Ti is better than a 7870, a regular 660 like the one you linked is not as good. It's closer to a 7850.

EDIT: Plus 7870s overclock better than 660s from what I've heard.
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December 12, 2012 11:29:51 PM

Overclocked 7870 = GTX670. And its $100+ cheaper.
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December 12, 2012 11:56:03 PM

Yep, definitely go for 7870 over 660.
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December 13, 2012 3:23:15 AM

joncripe said:
As far as budget goes, it looks like it's going to be around $700 now, but that's if I use an AMD build. I know most people on here seem to prefer the i5 (and I can see why with the benchmarks I've seen), but for $100 cheaper, would this AMD FX 6300 build still be able to run games on max settings? I've heard the 660 would be better than the 7870 for gaming, plus it drops my price about $20 and comes with AC III which I was planning on buying anyway.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: NZXT LEXA S (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($76.98 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $683.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-12 17:03 EST-0500)


Don't go for AMD build. You don't need 750w power supply unit. Go for i3 instead of FX-6100, as it's better in gaming. Furthermore, FX-6100 will not let you max out certain games.
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December 13, 2012 4:40:06 AM

The texel rate on the GTX660 (non Ti) is much higher than the HD7850...
- http://www.hwcompare.com/13303/geforce-gtx-660-vs-radeo...

The GTX660 Ti is faster still.

Do your games need power or agility?
Does minimum frame rate concern you? (eg: higher average, lower minimum = less constant frame rate with more stuttering).
Do you play with Vsync on or off?
etc.?

At least if you get a Core i3 you can upgrade it later.
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December 13, 2012 4:47:51 AM

Yeah, we agreed 660 beats 7850, but 7870 beats 660, especially overclocked.

EDIT: Looking at that link you posted, it appears the 7850 is better than the 660? I thought the 660 was better than the 7850.
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December 13, 2012 5:53:09 AM

voiidwulf said:
Yeah, we agreed 660 beats 7850, but 7870 beats 660, especially overclocked.

EDIT: Looking at that link you posted, it appears the 7850 is better than the 660? I thought the 660 was better than the 7850.


Not exactly. The 660/660ti are both limited by their memory bus width in comparison to the 78xx/79xx. What that means in the real world is that when you increase resolution(or detail, but resolution hikes are the big killer), then Nvidia cards loose more performance than the AMD cards.
If you want to play at over 1080P, then the GTX660 will struggle, even with settings turned down, compared to the 7850. Problem with this comparison is that if you want to play games on high settings at higher resolutions, you probably should spend more on the card, so in a way it's a pointless argument.

In some Nvidia favoured games a GTX660 will outpace a 7870 at mainstream resolutions. In other games, the 7850 is more than a match for the GTX660.
As Scott was alluding to, it really depends on what you are using and what you are using it for. My understanding is that Skyrim is a bit more consistent on Nvidia cards but AMD cards perform higher than average, presumably due to driver differences.
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December 13, 2012 1:45:21 PM

cmw0021 said:
If your interested in gaming, Id recommend an Intel build. AMD look great on paper, but as everyone says, they get demolished. If you have a microcenter around you, look up the i5 3570k. Its $169 (normally $220) and as a bonus, you get an additional $50 off any motherboard. And the rest you can use newegg.


This is the exact build I am about to pursue :sol: 


It is actually the other way around......AMD always looks bad on paper (Benchmark tests) but they are really fast....
Bro's computer is an i5 I have AMD FX 8350.......

He has Nvidia GTX560 and I have AMD 7870....I can play any game MAXED OUT so far where he cannot......

The 8350 is clocked at 4.0Ghz and Skyrim loves it.......
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December 13, 2012 1:52:12 PM

joncripe said:
I've heard the 660 would be better than the 7870 for gaming,
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Wrong. The 7870 is similar price and pulls ahead in most benchmarks.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-geforce-g...

This review above has side-to-side video comparisons......

Note that the difference is only a few FPS so get whichever you can find cheaper.....
But I am an AMD fan so whatever floats your boat....... :na: 
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December 13, 2012 2:29:17 PM

tomniko said:
It is actually the other way around......AMD always looks bad on paper (Benchmark tests) but they are really fast....
Bro's computer is an i5 I have AMD FX 8350.......

He has Nvidia GTX560 and I have AMD 7870....I can play any game MAXED OUT so far where he cannot......

The 8350 is clocked at 4.0Ghz and Skyrim loves it.......


Of course you can. Your graphics card is twice as expensive, though. It's not because AMD is superior.
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December 13, 2012 10:22:32 PM

Sunius said:
Of course you can. Your graphics card is twice as expensive, though. It's not because AMD is superior.



Well said. As if a GTX 560, non Ti, could beat a 7870. Even if you had some CPU from 5 years from now the 7870 would win.
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