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August 25, 2003 8:41:31 PM

I've just about had it with this current system. Some of you may know about my overclocking antics with my 2500 and epox 8rda3+ mobo. To sum it up, the experience was great with my 2100xp, it ran fine at 2200mhz/1.8v and VERY cool.

At the moment I have a 2500 barton and its been nothing but a pain since I got it about a week ago. When I first tested it with prime95 for 3 hours straight at 2295mhz/199mhzfsb with 1.64 volts it ran like a dream. Going up to 2434mhz on 1.76 volts running prime for 3 hours stable after running it at 2295mhz it was fine. Then later on I went for 2486 on 1.8v and thats where my problems started. It restarted the pc and left it in a state where the fans are still spinning but no other activity. I went back down to 2436mhz and it did the same thing after 10 seconds of prime! I went down to 2305mhz on 1.66v and it froze!

Temps arent the issue I dont think because it does it on lower volts/temps at about 47c load. Anyway I got it running fine again at 2305mhz on a whopping 1.76V! So I took out the case fans and the dodgy dvd drive thats been opening and shuting on its own lol and replaced the ide cable with the one that came with the board and I'm back at 2405mhz on 1.78v with 53C load using my 2,800rpm fan. Its been running prime for well over 40 minutes with out a problem so far but this is getting beyond a joke.

If I cant get the system stable at this speed, a speed that I know this cpu can do, then I'm getting an abit NF-7 S to replace this motherboard as I'm currently amazed at how it will run for hours stable on 1.64v and then need 1.76v later to run stable again!

It may be my PSU as its a Q-tec 550w thats only a few months old but I've been running at 2.1vcore/2.8mem on my 2100 with zero issues! Will get a new one if this keeps up before a mobo swop I think but this one is very confusing for me, who has been building systems for a few years now...

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)

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August 25, 2003 10:05:28 PM

speed what kind of ram you got again? Try a new power supply first, perhaps a better brand 500, then if that's not the problem just return it :)  It sounds like your power's problem.

I hate Computers! My P4 2.4C won't go above 3840mhz. My Sapphire 9800pro core/mem speed won't go above 490/790. I really hate computers!
August 25, 2003 10:17:28 PM

It does seem like it, but my rails are fine. I'm starting to suspect the dvd-drive as it would open and freeze the system at random.

When I took it out, my cpu temps dropped 4C+ and the cpu rail is now a bit more stable. At 1.8v in bios it was going between 1.75-1.78, now its 1.76-1.79.

Im currently @ 2405mhz/ 201mhz fsb @ 1.78v with the 90mm fan and its almost as cool as with my 2 smartfans @ same speed/voltage.

I dont believe this, but I'm past the 2hr mark on prime95 again where as before it would freeze/reset unless I fed it 1.86V!!!!! Could a dodgy DVD drive cause power instabilities or other problems to cause an unstable overclock?

Oh and my memory is Twinmos pc3200 cas 2.5/2.7v memory (2x256mb). Currently running it at 201mhz cas 2/3/3/6 on 2.8v.

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by speeduk on 08/25/03 11:20 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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August 25, 2003 10:50:53 PM

Well I'm still a newbie at overclocking so I've never heard of a DVD drive could limit overclockability.

I hate Computers! My P4 2.4C won't go above 3840mhz. My Sapphire 9800pro core/mem speed won't go above 490/790. I really hate computers!
August 26, 2003 1:53:19 AM

it could very well be psu


Proud owner of DOS 3.3 :smile:
August 26, 2003 1:53:46 AM

Hope you can get it stabled, I have a friend well recruit370 he got his barton 2500+ stable at 2475mhz(11x225) with Vcore at 1.775, He's using the A7N8X Ultra400 nForce2, 512 Kingston Value Samsung chip pc3200, and using Swiftech MCX462+ with 80mm Tornado, but his temps can get above 50C on load. Oh and also his vdimm at 2.8 running at 2.5-3-3-7

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August 26, 2003 7:54:09 AM

I'm pretty sure its the psu as it froze again at 2405mhz, after 10 minutes of prime. Heres the details of my psu

3v max = 20A
5v max = 35A
12v max = 15A

Heres a top brand spec:
Antec 480w
3v max = 30
5v max = 38
12v max = 22

No wonder I've been having stability problems LOL!



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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 26, 2003 3:36:27 PM

Bummer! Epox had always done so well with power regulation in the past.

OK, so they did like extra beefy power supplies.

I'd email Epox and find out if the issue is true. If so, perhaps they will mod your mobo for you or replace yours with a mod'd one.

I don't think the 8RDA+ had this problem. What are the supposed advantages of the 8RDA3+ ?

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August 26, 2003 3:49:40 PM

Hope they'll mod it for you speed

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August 26, 2003 5:52:52 PM

Most of the posts there are people with the 8RDA+ board and some people have the issue with my board. My board has official support for 200fsb and 3200xp and adjustable voltage for the chipset. Its suppost to be the overclockers dream, but so far it been a nightmare!

I will try a new PSU but it probably wont come until friday or monday. Ive settled for the antec 480w true blue PSU. Heres the specs compared to my current thats more like a 400w psu with high 3v rating. Amazing that I managed to run 2.1v at all on my 2100xp.

Mine:
3v 20a
5v 35a
12v 14a

480w antec:
3v 30a
5v 38a
12v 22a

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 26, 2003 6:06:07 PM

Im 85% sure its the psu coz one of the fans stopped spinning inside it after making clunking noises LOL! I think it may be shutting down because the regulators are working too hard to keep the voltage stable, thats why my 12v lines are ok, but its unstable because theres just not enough constant juice being delivered.

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 26, 2003 6:34:57 PM

ROFL this just gets better and better. I decided to rebuild my pc, took everything out, reinstalled the 900u and everything and got it running again and decided to run it at 2305mhz/1.68 volts until I get a new PSU but forgot to change the multiplier so it booted into windows @ 2405mhz but on 1.68V! I tried prime and it failed, so I upped the voltage a little to 1.73 and its gone over 30 minutes of prime95!! I dont know what to make of this pc lol. :eek: 

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 26, 2003 7:36:58 PM

Hope that fixes it.

BTW, that DVDROM draw opening/closing thing. I've read about that several times. Although it can be a hack/trojan it's usually fluctuating voltage triggering it. I can't recall if it's 5 volt or 12 volt fluctuation that does it.

Also, about overclocking issue I have a very old EPOX mobo, 8KTA3PRO (which is partly why I know about high PSU demands), but I have a strange issue that may/may not be similar to yours.

For some reason, my 5 V rail drops with time. Not power on time but calendar time. If I freshen my ATX connection I get about 4.88 volts for my 5 volt rail. (This is not surprising. Older Enermax power supplies were notorious for running a little low). After about a week (16 x 7, not 24 x 7) the 5 V rail will be at about 4.80 V. After another week it will be at 4.70 V. After a third week my system will be noticibly unstable when gaming and I will have to refresh the ATX connection once again. The 5 V rail returns to 4.88 V, the system is again stable, and the cycle starts over again.

Weird, isn't it?

<b>56K, slow and steady does not win the race on internet!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 08/26/03 04:01 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 26, 2003 11:18:29 PM

i beleive your powersupply is the issue...the 8rda+ takes its vcore from the 12v rail unlike most other boards...your current powersupply does not supply much to that rail...

The only bad thing about the 8rda+ is it needs a good powersupply...


Proud owner of DOS 3.3 :smile:
August 27, 2003 7:16:53 AM

This post doesnt have much if anything to do with your original post, but i wanted to ask you folks what you mean in regards to colour of the CPU? You say a "GREY" cpu is beter then a more "purplish" one in terms of OC and low voltage settings vs mhz ratio. Im not familiar with this colour coding and was curious if you could explain it to me? Thanks in advance.
August 27, 2003 7:26:16 AM

not color coding...when a cpu core is made it is made on a large wafer of about 100 or more cores...

the ones closer to the center of the wafer have more pure silicon than those at the outside (hence better overclockers) anyhow...if you have a grey core that is a sign of more pure silicon


Proud owner of DOS 3.3 :smile:
August 27, 2003 8:59:12 AM

And I have proof of this too. 2100 purple core = max 2300mhz on 1.92v. 1700 grey core = max 2389mhz on 1.9v
2500 ugly purple core = 2378mhz on 1.9v and finally my new 2500 nice grey colour is doing 2405mhz on 1.73v until my new PSU arrives :) 

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 27, 2003 10:59:24 AM

Well recruit has 2500+ purple core and he got 2475mhz at 1.8 vcore

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August 27, 2003 1:10:49 PM

Yeah and when I get my new psu, it should level out the voltage so give me stable overclocks. Remember when I said my mobo undervolts the cpu? Well I think its the psu thats doing that. But a setting in bios of 1.75 giving anywhere from 1.71 to 1.76 has just got to give instabilities. I did go over an hour at this setting (1.71 lowest vcore) at 2405 so if I can get it stable to 1.75v, it should give me upto 2450mhz + and maybe over 2500mhz on a stable 1.8v.

BTW ive settled on the 430w antec as the 480w is out of stock.

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 27, 2003 1:20:05 PM

Also I seem to be getting poor overclocks from my 9700pro too. 355/320 is very low compared to others that get upto 9800pro speeds on stock cooling and a bit higher with better cooling. That takes power from the 12v line also, just like my hdisks and cdrom. I hope I can sort out my problem plus get a better overclock from the radeon, that would be super sweet!

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 28, 2003 2:31:19 AM

Speed, you have connect3d 9700pro right?

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August 28, 2003 2:22:22 PM

Soz for the late reply, yeah its a connect-3d 9700pro with a much better cooling setup now though :) . BTW my antec 480w should arrive tomorrow and hopefully (fingers crossed) will help me get back over 2400mhz 110% stable :) 

EDIT: Decided to spend a bit more and get the 480 antec from another site just to be sure I have eliminated the psu as being a problem!

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by speeduk on 08/28/03 03:24 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 28, 2003 4:47:47 PM

Hmm ok, I guess q-tec is a bad psu company.

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August 29, 2003 5:51:08 PM

I got my new 480w antec psu and nothing has changed really. My vcore is fluctuating just like before, set it to 1.75, goes as low as 1.71 and upto 1.76 still and isnt prime stable at 2405mhz.

Currently at 2334mhz on 1.7v (1.72v in bios) and it seems ok, but WTF is with this 48C idle temp with my slk-900u and 60cfm 90mm fan in a 19c room with the case open and a big house fan blowing over the case??? This is stupid, my temps just go higher and higher even though I reinstalled the 900u the other day but it didnt make a difference. My 2100 ran at like 40c idle in warmer weather at 1.7v. I think this mobo is not as good as people say... No more overclocking on this peice of $%%t!

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 29, 2003 6:25:21 PM

That sucks, are you going to try out any other motherboards? Don't buy the A7N8X because it doesn't allow multiplier more than 12.5

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August 29, 2003 6:32:49 PM

Not spending a single penny more on comp parts this year until the new ati card comes out. Maybe its my chip that just runs hot for some reason, I dunno. But I see people all the time with a 2500 @ 2400mhz+ on like 1.8v or 1.9v with my cooling setup and get below 50 load. I cant go above 1.7v without temps getting too high. Using arctic ceramique aswell. Dont want to go the tornado route really because that would be too loud, not worth the 4-5c drop in temps.

One good thing about getting this new psu and heatsink though, its dead quiet, so I guess all is not lost. Still saved a few hundred quid by messing with these barton/tbred chips over buying a 3200 for £360! Maybe I will try a 92mm tornado and lower the voltage and see if I can cope with it and try again at 1.8v or higher and see what happens. Gonna try oc my vid card again see if the new psu gives it new life :) 

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 29, 2003 6:40:33 PM

good luck with that 9700pro

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August 29, 2003 8:45:44 PM

I got my smartfans out again and stuck them on my heatsink, and wow I forgot how good these things are in this config, gone from 48c idle to 41c!!!! Just means the psu has to sit on top of the case, but the cables are long enough that its ok with this psu to keep it like this. And I got my 9700pro to 360-349!!!! Thats a huuuge step up from my prev best @ 356/339. Its not quite artifact free though, so im gonna get this thing upto 2480/206fsb and take the pro as far as it will go and see what I get :) . But I didnt think that a 90mm fan was that poor at cooling this heatsink!

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 29, 2003 9:18:12 PM

Good job Chris, try to break the 18K barrier.

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August 29, 2003 9:25:05 PM

Heh thanks m8. Finally getting a little bit of pay back for all my hard work and time spent. Currently at 2446mhz and this is the highest ive gone. Last time i tried this it restarted the pc after 1st test in prime. So far gone past test 12! Temp is a nice 51c while running prime, just hope the bugger holds up lol.

Oh and i sliced my finger on 1 of the smartfans by accident, nice little souvenir of me (hopefully) sorting the restart problems heh!

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 29, 2003 10:12:29 PM

Ahh, that's gotta hurt, I did that on my Tornado once, after that i took the lesson of not removing fanguards.

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August 29, 2003 10:18:36 PM

Almost one hour prime now. I posted my o/c over at hard forum and they said run prime for 24 hours lol they obviously havn't heard 2 smartfans @ 3,500rpm. :)  And just like I thought, the better psu is letting me take my gfx memory back upto and even over 340mhz, amazing considering that sometimes it would crash at anything over 327mhz on my old psu.

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<font color=red> 120% overclocker </font color=red> (cheapskate)
August 31, 2003 4:01:55 AM

What are you using for Hsf for your 2.4C? I'm using stock Hsf at 3.0.
August 31, 2003 4:18:05 AM

When I was using stock I got 3.3G default Vcore, but my p4p800 overvoltaged that to 1.58, my vcore at default speed is 1.48(carefully picked that). At 1.625(asus overvoltaged that to 1.68), I managed 3.84G but there wasn't significent boost in performance from 3.5G, so I turned it back down to 3.5G stable at Default Vcore, but Asus alrdy overvolted it to 1.6

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August 31, 2003 3:27:08 PM

Wow 3.5 running stable with stock Hsf!!!! I PM Crashman he said I should get 3.0 OC with stock Hsf, Past that change Hsf. I agreed with him before I bought 2.4C. How long have you been running with 3.5?
August 31, 2003 4:29:02 PM

Well I'm using SLK900U now of course with 92mm Tornado, 3.5G is extremely stable, i did 24hours of prime95. A table would be easier

Stock HSF Default Vcore: Maximum Stable reached 3.3G 275FSB

SLK900U with 92mm Tornado Default Vcore: Maximum Stable reached 3.54G 295FSB

SLK900U with 92mm Tornado 1.625 Vcore: Reached 3840mhz 320FSB, stable in Sandra, PCmark, not Prime95.

SLK900U with 92mm Tornado 1.675 Vcore: Reached 3900mhz 325FSB, Windows booted nothing stable. 3840mhz Stable in Prime95

SLK900U with 92mm Tornado 1.850 Vcore: Reached 3900mhz 325FSB, windows booted, PCmark stable, Sandra stable, Prime95 unstable.

SLK900U with 92mm Tornado 1.950 Vcore: Reached 3900mhz 325FSB, windows booted, PCmark stable, Sandra stable, Prime95 unstable.

The vcores I said is probably lower than what it actually is since Asus overvoltages that. I assumed my chip was at its limit at 3.84G, since I got 3700EL memory even at 3:2 ratio but still didn't work. My mobo is also known to be able to hit 330FSB so oh well I guess I should be happy, since it's above the average overclock on the 2.4C

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September 1, 2003 12:47:39 AM

Thanks I'll have to play with mine to see if I can get to 3.2 or 3.3 with stock Hsf.
September 1, 2003 12:48:46 AM

Did you use Artic Silver with stock Hsf and 3.3?
September 1, 2003 12:52:41 AM

Of course.

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