Thermal Take Technology Subzero 4G Intel P4

mopeygoth · Sep 2, 2003

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/subzero/subzero4g.htm#p4

WOW... looks amazing... read a review by a guy running a p4@3.6 with an idle load temp of 16c

Any experience?

I was actually just browsing for an exchange for the noisy stock cooler of my p4. No problem with temps though (cpu:30/sys:28) , (cpu:40/sys:35)

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- 1152mb pc-133 - Ati Radeon 9700 128Mb

scottchen · Sep 2, 2003

Just DIY yourself a Watercooling kit with GPU block, save you the cash on Zalman but throw in another 200 bucks.

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mopeygoth · Sep 2, 2003

hmm... I am scared to run water through my system =)... just thinking about it leaking *shiver and shake*. I saw the "Thermal Take Technology Aquarius Liquid Cooling" for around 110€ though... hmm

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LCARS · Sep 2, 2003

Despite the obvious risk of watercooling a PC, horror stories are suprisingly few.

mopeygoth · Sep 2, 2003

I am pleased to hear so..

The customer experience of the above mentoned product seemed not to be an overwhelming sollution. People stated temperatures that I am below already, but they might run AMD? There is possibly a better sollution close to the same prize?

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LtBlue14 · Sep 3, 2003

please search the forum for why this is such a bad product

among other flaws, the biggest problem with this is that the peltier is a 70-some-odd watt unit, and an overclocked processor is almost always going to put out more heat than this. this means your processor will be sitting under an oven. even if it puts out slightly less than the pelt is rated at, your temps are going to be the same as they would with just the heatsink/fan combo provided on the unit, but your hsf is gonna have to remove CPUwatt + PELTwatt. all you're doing is heating your room, for no noticeable difference in temps

nuff said, search the forums for more

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jrbemis · Sep 3, 2003

AMD2600/EVA4600 in a watercooled CPU/GPU. Case temp is 17C. CPU is 33C.
Picked up a Seasonic PS. The machine is quieter than my Dell CPJ laptop.

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mopeygoth · Sep 4, 2003

thank you... I just had the idea of watercooling causing extremely low temperatures like 10 degrees or less.

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LtBlue14 · Sep 4, 2003

watercooling can only get you to room temperature unless you have a bong-style setup. a better (more cost effective) solution is an slk-947U
<A HREF="http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=HS-024" target="_new">http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=HS-024</A> with a quiet 92mm fan

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mopeygoth · Sep 5, 2003

hmm... this is what I can get hold of here: Thermalright SLK900U, it got top grades... you recon this is of choice divining from the stock cooler? (noise-/temp-wise)

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scottchen · Sep 5, 2003

If you can find the SP-94, then buy that, it's better than the SLK900U for about 3C with 92mm Tornado.

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mopeygoth · Sep 5, 2003

hmm... can't find that either ... our selection is limited,
(www.edbpriser.dk -> hardware -> kølere)
but cheers anyways!

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LtBlue14 · Sep 5, 2003

the slk-900U is great
get it

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mopeygoth · Sep 7, 2003

great, thanks. I will then... =)

I just need a fan for it then... I have been looking at this:

Vantec TD9238H
Type: Case-Cooler
Size: 92mm
Power: 12V (12,5W)
Size: 92x92x38mm
Speed: 4800RPM
Noise: 56,4db
CFM: 119
Weight: ?g
Warranty: 2 Years

Problem is that the noiselevel is killingly high and I think my girlfriend would stab me in the back trying to sleep from it. It almost has the minimum rpm speed I have been looking for, and the cfm is great too...

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mopeygoth · Sep 7, 2003

And I have been looking at this one too..

Thermal Take Technology Volcano 7+ A1254
Type: Cooler
Max CPU Speed: 3000MHz
Socket: Socket A / Socket 478
Power: 12V (6,6W)
Size: 70x70x70mm
Speed: 3000-6000RPM (+/- 10%)
Noise: 24-47dB
CFM: 49
Weight: 0.7 Kg
Warranty: 2 Years

The CFM does not look overwhelming though... But the db is more liveable. I have been looking at some 12db too, but they run only at 1500rpm, and I feel very sceptic towards that fact, despite people writing that it does a way better job than the stock /in-a-box cooler by intel p4

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LtBlue14 · Sep 7, 2003

dude, unless you don't want to spend on the money on an slk-900U, get that with a medium to low speed 92mm fan. it will easily be enough - the heatsink is amazing
if you can't spend the money, go ahead and get a volcano 7+
a tornado on an slk-900U is a waste, it'll get you maybe a degree or two on load compared to a much quieter fan

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scottchen · Sep 7, 2003

Tornado is not waste man, it dropped CPU load temp by 6C, and the temperature of memory and N.Bridge were significently less. My N.Bridge temp dropped by 7C with Tornado on Full than on 5v(2700rpm). I can't tell my ram temperature. But the heatspreader is much cooler on full rpm.

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mopeygoth · Sep 7, 2003

Ltblue14/Scottchen:I don't mind spending a fair amount of money of a fan for a heatsink of that price (54€). I just have the rpm/cfm vs. Db syndrome. I would like to see a minimun of 5000rpm and a minimum of 50cfm and a maximum of 35db. (Ideals are of course 7000rpm, 120cfm, 12db, but that is the stuff dreams are made of.. :-D Thanks,..

Scottchen: How important is a cool northbridge? It affects the mb/s rate on all transfers, right? I have an D845WNL board with standard heatsink on the northbridge (no fan)http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/wn/index.htm

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scottchen · Sep 7, 2003

First what you do is that you remove the heatsink, them get rid of the crap thermal pad, apply Arctic silver 3 to it. N.Bridge cooling is only necessary when you're overclocking FSB like crazy. If the N.Bridge heatsink is getting too hot to touch, then you need better airflow or new heatsink for that. When I say too hot to touch, I mean about 45-50C, that's when it burns your hand. I perfer not to melt anymore components since I already melted my 9500pro and it didn't smell good. And if the north bridge is getting too hot, your computer would simply restart, or crash all applications that's running, or the worst, Blue Screen of Death.

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scottchen · Sep 7, 2003

Here's my CPU cooling setup, SLK900U using Arctic Silver 3 with 92mm Tornado, and Thermaltake Hardcano5 HDD block, this HDD block has 1 thermal monitor and 1 fan speed control. Since the 92mm Tornado uses the 4 pin connector and separate fan speed detector there's no way to use Tornado with the 3 pin adaptor provided by Hardcano5. So what i did was I found an extra 3 pin connector and simply ripped off the 4 pin connector off my tornado and used the 3 pin then i can control my speed between Full blast(4800rpm=120cfm=56dBa)(3600rpm=~95cfm=~45dBa)(2700rpm=~70cfm=~40dBa), at 40dBa it is farily quiet with closed case. So this is what I do,
Windows and basic applications: 5v(2700rpm)
Older games(less demanding): 7v(3600rpm)
Extremely demanding games and benchmarks: 12v(4800rpm)really goddamn loud.

There's an alternative to the Tornado, Speeduk did a trick of using 2x80mm Smart Case fan2 and turned speed down to about 3000 rpm and combined gives about 45dBa of noise, that does better job than 1 Tornado at 3600rpm.

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mopeygoth · Sep 8, 2003

I will definately get the new heatsink and probrably that vulcano7+ fan. The northb.heatsink is quite cool. HDD is about 17-22c. I have seen setups with those double 80mm fans for cpu cooling... amd only though. As far as I saw on photos, the speedcontrol is on a switch provided with the 12v connector... no monitoring, so I am going to use your trick to see the speeds. I will get a 400/533/800fsb board and some 300mhz dual ram once I get the money... they I will beat this baby to the sky... until I get hands on a carterwood anyway. The d845wn is a very very stabile board and very reliant to the theoretical bandwidth. Problem is that the ic chip is incompatible with overclocking... =(. Once we find a bigger apartment, noise will be no problem... I will rather see cool, icy and noisy than stealth and heat(Y). As long as I don't have to sleep next to it, it does not matter. Stereo is all the way up anyways =)

thanks dude..

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HardWareBoss · Sep 14, 2003

Yummy burnt 9500pro.

scottchen · Sep 14, 2003

Actually it didn't smell too good.

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augustus108 · Sep 16, 2003

Enermax Adjustable Speed 92mm
How about this? The spec look good.
http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=CF-010

System Integration...yeah right, thanks to marketing, more confusion

mopeygoth · Sep 16, 2003

hmm thanks.. it looks quite descent... they just don't ship in Europe im afraid..

oh... hang on, I found the UC-8FAB, but it is nowhere near as good as the one you posted =( Thanks anyways..

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