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September 14, 2003 10:21:56 PM

Well I've done it. I tried to tie my 1700xp cooler onto my 9700pro, but there just wasnt enough pressure to keep the heat sink on proper. So I got my epoxy out, and epoxied it to the shim. Just gone to 403mhz on the gpu!!! But because its a 60x60mm heatsink the only fan I've got that fits is a poor 20cfm fan and it artifacts at this speed.

But I turned it down to 394/340 and its perfect! Not a single artifact where as before anything over 382 would artifact. Im gonna try a bigger fan on later but so far, an extra 12mhz gpu for free is not a bad start :) 

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September 14, 2003 11:34:41 PM

Heres a quick comparison of the 1700 cooler and the stock sapphire cooler.

Stock Sapphire 12cfm cooler.
Maximum clock artifact free: 382/340 (ok for first hour or so)
6hrs artifact free : 372/340 never artifacted at this speed

1700xp cooler 30cfm:
Maximum clock artifact free: 393/342
2 hours at 384/342 so far perfect (even thought its very warm in here).

Note that its a fresh installation and the ceramique will take a while to spread out on the core. Also its been a warm day here, and its 28C in here and I took the tests on the stock cooler at about 22C...

Oh and I just ran a 18,480 at 384/342 in 2001se :) 

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September 15, 2003 12:04:31 AM

Good job speedy and congratulations on the old hand promotion. Come on speedy break the 20k barrier. Did you break 19k with a little bit of artifacts?

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September 15, 2003 12:06:44 AM

Speed how much airflow do you have in your case have you tried removing you case's cover? that might get you a couple more mhz.

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September 15, 2003 12:16:44 AM

I havnt benched at 393 yet. Just ran 03 for a couple hours at 384/342 and its fine. I wasn't expecting miracles from this cooler, and I did put a lot of ceramique on the core to make sure it made contact with the heatsink. Oh and I've had the side panel off ever since I got this card.

Considering that it does about 415 artifact free on the best gpu block, 384 on air isn't bad at all.... 393 though was amazing at first, even if it only lasted a while artifact free...

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September 15, 2003 12:36:05 AM

Speed could you walk me through what you did, so you used Epoxy on the shims and just used ceramique on the core, not AS epoxy? I'm getting the Volcano 10 with YS tech TMD fan for my 9800pro also with 8 Tweakmonster standard ramsinks. I'm just curious how you attached your cooler to your GPU. I was planning to use industrial epoxy on the shim and AS epoxy on the core itself was that second part not necessary?

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September 15, 2003 1:38:37 AM

I use JB weld, and would recommend removing the shim.

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September 15, 2003 1:45:15 AM

I thought the core itself can't handle too much weight.

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September 15, 2003 2:29:51 AM

That's true, but I wasn't thinking of a huge cooler at the time, just that the shim doesn't allow the heatsink proper contact with the core.

I wouldn't use epoxy with a heavy cooler, I'd probably just use paste, and screw it on! How? Very carefully!

I'd get some plastic washers and self tapping screws, drill two small holes in the heatsink, and run the self tapping screws into those holes from the back of the card, using plastic washers to cushion them.

If you wanted to get fancy you could use longer screws, and springs, to spring load the heatsink.

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September 15, 2003 2:38:18 AM

That's too much work I'm way to lazy.

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September 15, 2003 3:10:54 AM

I have a drill, plastic washers, and self tapping screws in my office!

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September 15, 2003 3:21:14 AM

That's the thing i'm 15 and I don't think i have those tools in my house. I'll have to go in the school's art metal room, use the drillpress and crap, but I have to go through all these safety procedures before i'm allowed to use the machines.

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September 15, 2003 3:36:47 AM

those tools are not that very hard to find.

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September 15, 2003 3:38:54 AM

i'vre tried experimenting with my old tnT2 video card one time and it works.

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September 15, 2003 4:30:29 AM

True i think I'll go around hardware stores and try to find some.

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September 15, 2003 5:00:08 AM

Quote:
i'm 15 and...

Wah!

Dude, when I was 15 I was selling out my bicycle shop to make more room for my motorcycle shop. I had two drills I'd picked up from the local garbage transfer site dumpsters and repaired, and had just bought a more powerfull one for only $40.

All these years later you can still buy a powerful hand drill that will last you many years for $40. These days you can buy a cheap wimpy one for $15. And even one of those would be far more powerfull than you need for drilling small holes in soft metals.

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September 15, 2003 8:52:13 AM

I used AS ceramique on the core and a little bit of epoxy spreaded on the shim. Its supported by a screw from the side of the case to the corner of the heatsink to help the card stop sagging.... <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7000747" target="_new"> Heres </A> my top score at 391/342 artifact free...

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September 15, 2003 10:49:49 AM

You bunch over overclocking b@st@rds!!!

But don't flame me. I say it inrespect. A quick solution to put any size heatsink on your GPU...

Turn your whole case upside- down. Which means the AGP slot will carry the load. Now you can happily snap any cooler on. I think the silicon wafer should be able to carry a cooler up to 2 pounds... He he.
September 15, 2003 2:35:41 PM

Speed what kind of ramsinks did you use?

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September 15, 2003 3:59:32 PM

<A HREF="http://www.tbreak.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid..." target="_new"> Heres </A> a link to a thread I started in the t-break forum. Scroll down to about the 7th post for the only pic of the card I have and the heatsinks...

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September 15, 2003 10:25:15 PM

I make my RAMsinks out of Pentium 1 heatsinks. My old 6ns video RAM operates at 5ns.

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September 16, 2003 3:13:48 AM

Are those the Thermaltake ramsinks?

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September 16, 2003 10:50:56 PM

Why is performing worse an worse? Did the old owner alrdy ran it at max overclock for a long time?

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September 17, 2003 2:04:21 AM

Speeduk
I have a similar set up I upgraded from a xp1700 to xp2400 @ 2413 giz but I have the oem xpfan from the xp2400 free to use on my 9700 pro.. I'd like to attach the xp stock fan to my 9700... was this hard? epoxy what kind? did you remove the shim? did you use this epoxy with the ram sinks?

I really want to do this so any info would be most appreiated.
September 17, 2003 3:23:08 AM

There's many ways of attaching it, I'm going to practice the more advanced way by drilling 2 holes on the heatsink then use some screws to attach it to the vid card, that way I can remove the shim and get 100% contact with the core. If you don't want to remove the shim then you can just use regular industrial epoxy on the shim and a THICK layer of Thermal Paste, Arctic Alumina, Arctic Ceramique, or OCZ ultra paste2 are recommended, Do not i say again DO NOT use Arctic silver 3 because once there's pressure the heatsink could push the conductive grease off the core and onto parts of the card which you don't want to conduct electricity.

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September 17, 2003 8:08:15 PM

Quote:
Why is performing worse an worse? Did the old owner alrdy ran it at max overclock for a long time?


The previous owner had it clocked at 400gpu and 350 memory WATER COOLED with maze block!!! At room temperature 28c, the card could do 382 before with I think 342 memory clock. Now it seems good for 384/351. Remember this is after 2 hours of continuous running, not after one minute of running like when I got 393 artifact free....

And I used some arctic silver epoxy to attach my 1700 heatsink. I spreaded a very thin layer on the shim in order not to raise the contact level for the heatsink too much. worked out pretty well...

Anyone thinking about doing this, make sure that the shim isnt too high or you will not get good contact when epoxy is used on the shim, which raises the level by 1-2mm... I put a thin layer of ceramique on the core first, put the heatink on before the epoxy and made sure that when I took the heatsink off, there was a square imprint of ceramique from the core on the heatsink, indicating good contact. Just to make sure I accounted for the added epoxy, I made the layer of ceramique about 1-2mm higher.

Lower the operating temperature of the core enough to push the core to 393mhz artifact free short term, and 384 for long term use ( set at this for 24/7 use no problems so far).
Also the memory is running cooler because the heat is being taken from the gpu faster and more efficiently than before with the poor stock cooler and thats up from 342 to 351 at the moment.

Not bad for an hours work (well 20 minutes to mix the expoy, test the contact then 40 mins to let it set and make best contact with a big weight on top)..


Watercooled 24/7 = 410mhz gpu 360 memory.
Stock cooler 6 hours arti free = 372 342.
Now I get = 384mhz gpu 351 memory


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