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As I've been working with my P4 2.6 800fsb, on my Asus P4p800 I've been noticing that my core volatge jumps around occasionally. Usually it stays at 1.568 which I find odd because the box says 1.525V max. I've slightly overclocked the fsb of the chip but I noticed these things before I did that. I have a Antec 400 watt power supply and only a graphics card, modem i never use and 4 ide drives so I dont think I'm hurting for power. Is this anything I should be concerned of?

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Don't worry, you just got a not overclockable chip, Asus likes to increase Vcores to show off more stability, your chip should range between 1.475-1.55 at default frequency, a little over it's nothing don't worry.

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scottchen lied to you. The problem is likely caused by line noise in your power grid. The best way to solve that is to use a UPS (uninteruptable power supply) between your computer and wall socket.

And the 2.6C is a great overclocker.

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2.6C not overclockable? Voltage fluctuation caused by poorly overclocking CPU? I have a link to disprove that, <A HREF="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html" target="_new">www.overclockingmyths.com</A>

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Give the guy a break he tried his best. :p

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Crashman my voltage doesn't fluxuate it stays at 1.48 or 0.01 off at furthest, and my chip is extremely overclockable. I thought the lower the default voltage the more overclockable the chip is.

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OMG! LMAO! OK, sorry. To begin with, most boards don't set the core voltage nearly perfectly, varying by as much as .05v in either direction. And the 12v power line can also vary by around .8v in either direction. So it's impossible to state what his default voltage is simply by looking at the actual voltage supplied by the board. His "default" voltage is probably the same as yours!

Second, Intel often raises the core voltage when they release newer version of the processor core. Look at the PIII for example, the cB0 stepping was 1.65v, the cC0 stepping was 1.70v, the cDO stepping was 1.75v. I had a cDO PIII 1000EB that overclocked to 1307MHz stably, while my cB0 chip only went to 1057MHz.

So stock voltage is not reflected by the board's output, verying by as much as 10%. And even if default voltage is higher, that might not have any affect on the highest clock attainable at the highest usefull voltage.

The 2.6C has about the same max overclocked speed as the 2.4c, it simply doesn't require as high a bus speed to get there.

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Is this part correct I don't care which chip, the lower the default vcore the more headroom the chip should have for overclock right? Say a 2.4C that averages around 1.475 default vcore and a 2.4C that averages around 1.55Vcore would the 1.475 overclock better?

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I have to agree with scott on this one, a low core voltage leaves you with more headroom to pump the voltage up. I mean if i had the choice of a p4 with 1.475 or 1.525 vcore i would definitly go for the 1.475, less voltage to run the same speed is a sign of a good overclocker, although diffrent chips respond diffrently to voltage increases.

That being said, i dont care how low of a core voltage you have, i do not beleive your claims of a 3.8ghz p4c on air cooling. Without evidence to back it up i think that is BS. I have asked for proof and magically the email disapeared. Sounds very fishy to me.


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Your reasoning is good, I assumed the same thing at one time. Here's the problem:

Say you build two systems, both with 1.475v 2.4Cs. Two different motherboards and power supplies, same CPU. And one defaults to 1.48v, the other to 1.52v. Would that imply that the one 2.4C overclocks better than the other? No, because the overvoltage is caused by the motherboad and/or power supply being overvoltage.

Example 2: Say Intel determines that all P4's on the latest Northwood core up to 2.5GHz will run at 1.475v, and all 2.60GHz to 3.2GHz P4's will run 1.525v. Now, you know most P4s won't run at 3.2GHz/1.475v. So they had to "draw the line" somewhere. We've seen this in the past with the 5xxMhz Coppermines running at 1.50v while the 6xxMHz+ processors ran at 1.65v or more! But my Celeron 566 didn't like going past 850MHz, and my PIII 700 went to 1057MHz!

Third instance, Intel sets their core voltage based on such things as heat (too much heat would require a new cooling solution) and needed clock speed (too little voltage reduces max clock speed). Most of their core revisions deal with reducing hot spots I believe. Reducing hot spots will allow the processor to tolerate more voltage. Higher voltage increases yield rate at higher clock speeds. This explains why the PIII 750 went from 1.65v to 1.70v and finally 1.75v as newer core revisions were made. Most of the later versions would run at a lower voltage, but...having all the cores on the same voltage was handy for making more 1000EB's and Coppermine Celeron 1100's.

So anyway, there are a number of reasons his CPU might be running at a higher voltage than yours, both by design or by system configuration.

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Ok, thanks, I didn't know that.

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Well to chime back in here, The documentation that came with the processor said it had a Vcore of 1.525 MAX. I was very suprised to see my porcessor running at a 1.568V without me stepping it up. That is the reason for my concern.
 

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I forget if this has been answered, but many motherboards naturally overvolt (especially asus) if your pc is stable dont worry.


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