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Overclock a GeForce 4 Ti 4600 w/ Zalman Heatpipe?

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First I have to say that I am from Austria (Europe), and so my English maybe isnt perfect.





I have a Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 w/ 8x AGP) w/ 128MB RAM. I couldnt overclock it yet, because the GPU has a very bad cooling and the RAM-chips arent cooled at all. My Qustion: Do you think, I should use a Zalman Heatpipe ZM80C-HP VGA-Cooler + Fan ZM-OP1 (mounted directly on the cooler) or a conventional cooling soltion? What do you think cools the GPU and RAM better?

How high do you think I would get w/ the Zalman w/o getting artifacts?


I also have found a conventional cooling solution: The Thermaltake G4-Copper-Cooling set. The problem is, the RAM coolers in this set are 63,48 mm X 21mm X 13,5 mm big, but I only need 48x12mm to cover two RAM chips at once (they are 12x12mm big and there is a gap of 24mm between two chips). So I dont know, if It is safe to stick the coolers on the chips or if there is a risk that they drop down on some day. I could also use 20x12.6x8mm Aluminium RAM-coolers if they stick better.

How far do I think I can get w/ the G4 cooling set w/o getting artifacts? Do you think, it would make a difference when I use the Aluminium RAM-coolers instead of the copper?




<b>My Graphics card: </b>


Creative 3D Blaster 4 Ti 4800, GeForce4 Ti4600 8X AGP

<A HREF="http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?prod..." target="_new">http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?prod...;/A>




<b>Cooling solution w/ Zalman:</b>


Zalman Heatpipe ZM80C-HP:

<A HREF="http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/ZM80C-HP.htm" target="_new">http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/ZM80C-HP.htm&lt;/A>


Fan Zalman ZM-OP1:

<A HREF="http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/ZM-OP1.htm" target="_new">http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/ZM-OP1.htm&lt;/A>




<b>Conventional Cooling:</b>


Thermaltake GeForce 4 A1349 copper cooling set:

<A HREF="http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chipset/g4.htm" target="_new">http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chipset/g4.htm&lt;/A>


20x12.6x8mm Aluminium RAM-coolers (German):

<A HREF="http://www.xtrem.biz/catalog/product_info.php?products_..." target="_new">http://www.xtrem.biz/catalog/product_info.php?products_...;/A>

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

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I think you should use thermal epoxy and glue on a generic CPU cooler, that cools much better than any standard video card cooler, downside is you'll lose 1-2 PCI slots. Ramsinks if I were you I'd just saw up a generic CPU cooler, or buy the tweakmonster BGA ramsinks

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

Isnt a CPU-cooler a little heavy? I mean, it weights over 300g normaly (or over 1/2 pound for the Britisch and American people).

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Generic Socket A coolers are only about 200 grams or a little more don't worry it won't snap the card.

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
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Post the brand name and model number of a 200g generic coller. The lightest I found were 300g.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

I just took my 1700+ cooler and put it on a scale, and it was a little over 210grams. So I imagine a Duron stock would be lighter.

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

The problem is, that you only get this stock coolers w/ a CPU-

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

What about your 2700+ cooler?

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

I dont have the stock coller, because I bought the tray version. I use the Volcano 7+, which weights 500g.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Get a Volcano 8, it's 270 grams your card will be able to hold it no problem.

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

The Volcano 8 isnt available in my country (Austria), not even in online shops. They only have the Volcano 9, but the 9 is much heavier because it is copper.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Volcano 9 is hybrid same with Volcano 8, Volcano 8 is just smaller with a smaller fan. Does your retailer carry Rackmount coolers? The reason why i'm saying this is because if you use the ZM80C-HP you cannot use effecient ramsinks. If you use a CPU cooler it'll cool better and you could just gigantic ramsinks.

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

What are Rackmount coolers?

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

So maybe you are right, but it will still weight about 0.5kg, because it is a full copper cooler.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Volcano 9's hybrid, it's only got copper core, Volcano 10's full copper however only 270grams.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.51G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 270mhz 2.5-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

I have now found two rackmount coolers, but I havent found out their weight. One is copper and one is aluminium:


Aluminium (Spire 5R231B1M3 RackSper I):

http://www.spirecoolers.com/asp/fcc.asp?ProdID=69


Copper (Spire 5R057B3 RackSper II™ ):

http://www.spirecoolers.com/asp/fcc.asp?ProdID=41


What do you think is the weight of this coolers? Is the copper cooler light enough or should I get the aluminium?


Also, these coolers are only recommended up to Athlon XP 1600+. Do you think, that they will cool better than a conventional GPU cooling solution?

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by MrBurns on 10/21/03 05:19 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

I have found out, that the weight of the Racksper II is 181g.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

The rackmount cooling is pretty good it wouldn't take up any PCI slot and it would cool better than a conventional VGA cooler. What kind of ramsinks are you planning to use? Most rackmounts aren't that heavy, just try to stay under 300 grams.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.51G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 270mhz 2.5-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

I have now found a normal (not rackmount) CPU-cooler, which weights only 245g: the TaiSol CGK742092:

http://www.taisol.com/cgk742092.html


I also found a version w/ a copper plate, which weights 264g: the TaiSol CGK760172


http://www.taisol.com/cgk760172.html



Do you think, that the weight of the aluminium cooler is ok? Is bthe weight of the copper cooler also ok?


How good will these coolers cool in comparison to conventional GPU cooling solutions?

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

I dont care, if the cooler takes a PCI slot. I have 6 PCI slots and not even one is used. Also most PCI cards make problems on the first slot, because it shares the IRQ / the AGP.

I have no found out the weights of the Thermaltake coolers:

Volcano 7+: 680g
Volcano 9: about 500g
Volcano 11: about 500g
Volcano 12: 708g
Silent Booster: I didnt find out the weight, but it looks at least as heavy as the Volcano 12.

I think, I will take the TaiSol CGK760172, because you think, everytrhing under 300g is ok and because this is the best coller under 300g I found.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Those sounds good, just get some Arctic Silver adhesive now and attach them on the core.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.51G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 270mhz 2.5-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

I will wait at least until November, because I am out of money now. But this also has a advantage: I maybe will find seven a better cooler and I have time to post in a few other forums too.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Someone in a different forum suggested this CPU-cooler:

http://www.3dcool.com/?module=product&sku=CPUPhantom

What do you think about it?

It weights 385g, but the guy said, that this istn too heavy (he uses this cooler for his Radeon 9800pro), but another guy in the same forum posted, that even 238g is too heavy.

What is the highest weight I can savely stick on the GPU when I use thermal epoxy?

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

TOO HEAVY stay under 300 that thing will rip your GPU right out probably.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.51G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 270mhz 2.5-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 420/740 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

Man, all that is not that necessary. I got the R9800np overclocked by more than 100mhz on the GPU, and a Generic SocketA cooler is doing its job extremely well. Back of GPU hasn't reached 40C yet. So what i'm trying to say is that video card doesn't generate as much heat as CPU does so a Generic CPU cooler will do the job.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

I want to get the nest possible overclock for my GPU. I want to play UT2003 w/ 1600x1200 and max. details and I want to play HL2 and Doom III w/ all details at at least 1024x768, when the games are out.

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

I have found someone, who glued a Thermalright SK-7 (415g) on a ATI 9500 pro just using a lot of Arctic Alumina adhesive (You can also find a lot of other mods there):

<A HREF="http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=1..." target="_new">http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=1...;/A>

<A HREF="http://home.mchsi.com/~dumpa/Card1.jpg" target="_new">http://home.mchsi.com/~dumpa/Card1.jpg&lt;/A> (image)

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

YIKEs Psychos, don't they know their GPU's going to get ripped out soon?

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

If I decide to use conventional cooling: someone in a different forum suggested me the Vantec Iceberq 4 Pro cooling kit. I have searched through hundreds of reviews of the Iceberq and the Thermaltake GF4 cooling kit, but in 99%+ of all these reviews they were only compared to the default cooling solutions of the cards they used. I have only found one review, where the Vantec Iceberq 4 Pro and the Thermaltake GF4 cooling kit were directly compared:

<A HREF="http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php?REVIEWDIR=icebe..." target="_new">http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php?REVIEWDIR=icebe...;/A>

In this benchmark the Iceberq was about 2-3°C better.

I will also search the other reviews in my history and post the ones I find there.


My question: which of these cooling solutions is better?

I will only buy the Iceberq, if it makes a great difference, because it is only available in an online shop, that has international shipping, but the shipping costs to austria are quite low ($3.75 for everything, which has less than 1/2 pound and a little bit over 4$ for less than 1 pound).

The Thermaltake GF4 cooling kit is also available in normal shops in Vienna, and I like normal shops more than Online shops, because I made bad experiences w/ them (shipping took up to 6 months).

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by MrBurns on 10/26/03 06:38 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

If you decided not to use CPU cooler, then using the ZM80C-HP with the slim fan is the best idea.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/780 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

I have promised you a few reviews of the Thermaltake GeForce 4 Copper cooling set and Vantec Iceberq 4 Pro. I also added a few reviews of the Zalman Heatpipe ZM80C-HP + fan ZM-OP1. In all these reviews the coolers were only compared to the stock coolers. I already postet the only review that is makes exception from that.


<b>Thermaltake GeForce 4 Copper Cooling Set:</b>

<A HREF="http://www.allround-pc.com/index.php?reviews/03021/beri..." target="_new">Allround-PC.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.athlonxp.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Din..." target="_new">AthlonXP.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.extensiontech.net/reviews/cooling/hsf/g4vga/..." target="_new">Extensiontech.net</A>
<A HREF="http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/video/Therma..." target="_new">Extremeoverclocking.com 1</A>
<A HREF="http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/video/Therma..." target="_new">Extremeoverclocking.com 2</A>
<A HREF="http://www.hardwareaccelerated.com/articles/reviews/oc/..." target="_new">Hardware Accelerated.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?u..." target="_new">Hardwareluxx.de</A>
<A HREF="http://www.moddin.net/review.asp?ReviewID=65&PageNo=6" target="_new">moddin'.net</A>
<A HREF="http://www.moddinggods.de/linkframes/tmgf4.htm" target="_new">moddinggods.de</A>
<A HREF="http://www.overclockedcafe.com/modules.php?op=modload&n..." target="_new">Overclocked Cafe.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ocia.net/reviews/gf4cooler/G4Cooler_Conclusi..." target="_new">ocia.net</A>
<A HREF="http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/therma..." target="_new">octools.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.overclockersclub.com/thermaltakegeforce4cool..." target="_new">overclockersclub.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.systemcooling.com/modules.php?name=News&file..." target="_new">systemcooling.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.tweakers.com.au/articles/cooling/tt_gf4coole..." target="_new">Tweakers Australia</A>
<A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=..." target="_new">Tweaktown</A>
<A HREF="http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/hsf_gf4_coolmod/..." target="_new">Virtual-Hideout</A>


<b>Vantec Icebrq 4 Pro:</b>

<A HREF="http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/heatsinks/vantec_iceb..." target="_new">GruntvillE.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.furioustech.com/iceberq/Index.php" target="_new">Furioustech.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.monster-hardware.com/modules.php?name=Review..." target="_new">monster-hardware.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.overclockers.com/articles747/" target="_new">overclockers.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.8ballshardware.com/articles/iceberq4pro/page..." target="_new">8ballshardware.com</A>


<b>Zalman Heatpipe ZM80C-HP + fan ZM-OP1:</b>

<A HREF="http://www.digital-daily.com/video/video-coolmod/index0..." target="_new">Digital-daily.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.3dchip.de/TestCenter/ZM80C/Messergebnisse-un..." target="_new">3DChip.de</A>
<A HREF="http://www.bigbruin.com/html/zalman_vga_heatpipe_2.htm" target="_new">bigbruin.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.bit-tech.net/review/229/5" target="_new">bi-tech.net</A>
<A HREF="http://www.modthebox.com/review252_3.shtml" target="_new">modthebox.com</A>

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Someone in a diffferent forum suggested me another CPU-cooler: the Alpha PAL6035 w/ Copperplate. I have found out the weight of one version of this cooler: it us 275g, but it can vary a little bit because it is sold w/ different fans (the weight w/o fan is 175g). I have looked at the specs of the high end models of all 60x60 fans of all manufacturers that sell them in Austria according to the site <A HREF="http://www.geizhals.at" target="_new">http://www.geizhals.at&lt;/A>. I have found out, that these fans have a size of 60x60x20 to 60x60x38 a (thinner fans were available, but they had less cfm). They had cfm between 18 and 50.15 and a weight of 50-106g. So the weight of the Alpha would be 225-281g.For further informations about this cooler see here (They dont sell the model w/ the original fan anymore):

<A HREF="http://www.micforg.co.jp/en/c_pale.html" target="_new">http://www.micforg.co.jp/en/c_pale.html&lt;/A>

What do you think about this cooler? How do you think it would perform in comparison w/ the other models?

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner

Someone in a different formu already suggested me the Arctic Cooling VGA-silencer:

http://www.nordichardware.com/reviews/cooling/2003/VGAS...

Do you think it could be a good cooler?

The problem is not, that I dont have enough space on my card. The problem is, that the holes on my card dont match w/ them on the cooler and I dont want to drill holes because I am not good at this. I could only use thermal epoxy, but some people in different forums posted, that this wont work on coolers over 180g and the VGA silencer has 273g.

Another thing, that makes me think if I could maybe have problems I found in the <A HREF="http://www.arctic-cooling.com/de/support/installation/i..." target="_new">installation guide</A>:

<b>Quote</b>
<i>As shown in the picture first the grounding metal sheet is put over the VGA exits, afterwards the new bracket is screwed onto the board. Without proper grounding of the heatsink it can come in rare cases to system crashes.
For Nvidia graphic boards, where the provided bracket does not fit, the grounding metal sheet can be shortened in the width accordingly to the VGA exit, so that a connection between the bracket and the heat sink can result.</i>

AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Epox 8rda+
Thermaltake Volcano 7+
2x256 MB PC2700
Creative GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (4600 Chip)
Chieftech Case
WD 80GB/8MB HDD
16x48 DVD-ROM
20x10x32 Burner<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by MrBurns on 10/28/03 12:23 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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