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November 25, 2003 12:11:44 AM

After reading lots on this, I still don't know what I want to do.

If I overclock, the warranty is void. It might not work. It might work but perform badly. It might even destroy some hardware. But what if I get a system that's optimal for optimal overclocking. eg) a P4 2.6C and all that motherboard and RAM stuff that allows one to make a good overclock (if sucessful). Then wait until a) the warranty runs out, or b) the system is starting to become outdated. Would that be an ideal choice? Or would it be that by the time the system becomes outdated, I'm better off getting new components instead of wasting my time to overclock the P4 2.6C to a 3.0ish (or as high as 3.5 if I can get there)?

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November 25, 2003 12:28:13 AM

If you overclock properly(meaning you don't melt the components) Then there's no way for them to tell you overclocked your chip. Just make sure there's no physical dammage. We overclock for fun, generally it's recommended to overclock when you actually need the extra performance. 2.6C I'm sure it's good enough for anything these days at stock speeds. 3.5G requires decent cooling. I have never seen overclocking giving worse performance, unless you screw up the Dram ratio.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
November 25, 2003 12:46:45 AM

Oh, I see what you mean. The only way I'll use the warranty is if I break it. But if I do it right and it runs fine for say, a few years, then it breaks down before my warranty is up, then they can't tell? No wait... that doesn't seem to make sense...

Oh whatever. I'll just get it with the assumption that I'll attempt to overclock it. But if I end up not overclocking it... This can be difficult since I've never done it before. But if I don't do it, I won't know if I can or not. But if I mess up, then that's a rather unpleasant experience. =/

BTW, I noticed that you're from Vancouver, BC too. I've looked at a few stores. The big ones are Anitec, Atop, A-Link and Ncix. I also took a peek in a couple of local stores on Marine Drive and some on Broadway. But do you know of one that's reliable and sells quite cheaply? The big company ones seem to charge a lot more which is usually the trend.
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November 25, 2003 1:14:44 AM

Anitec is 1 of my personal favourites just because of their good support. Atic is a good place if you're looking for cheap price.

If you're thinking about the 2.6C then it's really safe to overclock it to around 3.2 since 2.4C, 2.6C, 2.8C, 3.0C, and 3.2C are all the exact same chips except they run at different multipliers and different voltages. If you go to <A HREF="http://www.bigfootcomputers.com" target="_new">bigfoot</A> it's a computer store in Toronto, I like it because we don't have to pay PST, they have cheap shipping, and nice cooling stuff. I would recommend the SLK800U with a Smart Case Fan 2 for cooling. That'll gurantee you a 3.3G.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
November 25, 2003 1:33:37 AM

i felt the same way you did. When i actually got my comp and started lookin aroudn at stuff you realize its not hard at all. Go slow and test every step you make and theres a very small chance youll mess anything up. If it was that dangerous, i truely dont believe this many people would be doing it.

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November 25, 2003 4:50:26 AM

Is it still true that overclocking has an large element of luck? Say I have all the same parts that you have, my theory is that some people will hit 3.0 easily, most should hit 3.2 too and few should be able to hit anything higher because there are still differences between each chip. Is that right or entirely off the mark?
November 25, 2003 4:51:06 AM

Well, when you put it that way, I guess I will give it a whirl after all! =D
November 25, 2003 1:49:40 PM

i wish i lived in canada, so i could order from that place.

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November 25, 2003 4:13:25 PM

Hey...uh...here's an interesting note:

I RMA'd my CPU because of two reasons. 1) there were nicks and dings in the heatspreader, along with what looked like filed edges which tore up my heatsink. And 2) at stock speeds, my computer wouldn't boot up without the message: "CPU is unworkable or has changed". In windows, I found out that my CPU that originally ran at 2.61 Ghz, now runs at 2.59 Ghz. What's up with that? I overclocked it a little bit, but never more than 3.25, and that wasn't stable so I dropped it to 3.2, and then back to 2.6. The temps never ran higher than 54 degrees at load, and if it was ever unstable, I dropped the FSB a little. Could the small amount of overclocking I did over two days make the CPU permanently change from 2.61 to 2.59? Or is it really a bad chip (possibly due to the fact it looked like it was kicked around the factory before it was boxed up)?

<font color=blue>Abit IC7-G, 2.6C @ 3.2Ghz, Geil Platinum PC4000, Geforce 4600ti, SB Audigy 2, Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 120 SATA, Antec TruePower 430.</font color=blue>
November 25, 2003 5:30:01 PM

I just noticed something on Anitec's listings for the ASUS P4P800...

http://www.anitec.ca/productitem.asp??FundID=1&pid=885

It says:
support max. 4GB PC3200/PC2700/PC2100 ECC DDR SDRAM memory

I'm getting:
OCZ DUAL CHANNEL OPTIMIZED 2X512MB DDR PC4000 3-4-4-8 COPPER HEAT SPREADER

Does this mean that the memory won't work well on that particular motherboard? =/
November 25, 2003 5:34:48 PM

Now why would you want to do that? I've always thought that Canadian prices for anything is much more expensive.
November 25, 2003 6:47:32 PM

Send it back. What where they using it for a football?
November 25, 2003 7:22:19 PM

NO dont send it back...

What happened is many motherboards automatically overdetect the cpu's speed...ex if it is supposed to have a 200mhz fsb they run a 203mhz fsb out of the box, so side by side with other boards the mobo appears faster. What you have done is set the fsb back down to 200...if you clear you bios and let the board redetect your cpu i gaurantee it will run 2.61ghz.

Also 10mhz makes sooooo little diffrence in the grand scheme of things...


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November 26, 2003 2:43:39 PM

wow, that makes sense about the speed. Thanks. Regardless, they better send me a new CPU because that thing had little tiny chunks missing off the top of the heatspreader, and seriously, all four sides had wierd machined/filed marks all along them. And along those sides, on the top edges, there was a little, rough, lip. When I took my heatsink off to clean it and package it back up, it looked like somebody had taken an exacto knife and traced the shape of the CPU heat spreader on it - so yeah, it really dug into it. For that alone, I think it would be a clean contact hazard no matter how much thermal compound I use, ya know? I want a clean chip. Not one that was used for Malaysian floor hockey.

And somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if the P4P800 accepts ECC ram, that just means it accepts both types, just as all the Canterwood 875P chipset mobos do. I don't think they make ECC ram over PC3200. OCZ PC4000 will be fine because scottchen has it in his P4P800 and a 2.6c working at a glorious 3.5 Ghz. The ECC ram is registered ram, usually used when you plan on installing more than a 1 Gig of ram, and usually used in server or workstation setups. The unbuffered OCZ will be fine.

<font color=blue>Abit IC7-G, 2.6C @ 3.2Ghz, Geil Platinum PC4000, Geforce 4600ti, SB Audigy 2, Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 120 SATA, Antec TruePower 430.</font color=blue>
December 16, 2003 10:50:30 PM

>>I would recommend the SLK800U with a Smart Case Fan 2<<

The heatsink is a tad bit too expensive... do you have any other recommendations? Something just as good? Or maybe a small downgrade? Thanks for the help.

(I got my mobo, HD and cd-rw today! woohoo! all those pretty colours...)

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December 17, 2003 1:22:02 AM

CNPS7000A-ALCU, i guess that's a bit cheaper, then there's the Aeroflow, let's see, I can't really think of any other cheap ones that's good. BTW, stay away from Thermaltake.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 450/900 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
December 17, 2003 1:22:54 AM

I remember another cheap company, check out Coolermaster's heatpipe products.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 450/900 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
December 17, 2003 5:34:05 AM

so... i shouldn't get the smart case fan II? now i'm all confused...

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December 17, 2003 11:46:57 AM

Hey I just got the Thermaltake P4 SPARK 5+. All copper. Droped my max load temps 15 degrees celsius compared to the stock H/S.

May not be the best ,but for $15 US not a bad deal at all.



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January 2, 2004 2:35:51 AM

Me thinks he fried his toy big time.
January 2, 2004 5:43:22 AM

question for you wusy since i know your a great oc'er.
Even if i get a locked 2500+ how much farther can you push it?
And what would i need.. I'm building a gaming machine for lan parties i wanna keep it cheaper..
So really i'm looking at some OCZ ram.. but i don't really know what i'll need. I'd like to actually have 400 fsb.

p4 2.8 533fsb
intel mobo
1gb rdram pc 800
radeon9800 pro
120gb seagate s-ata
January 2, 2004 4:04:12 PM

Yup and not use that block of ice.
January 3, 2004 1:35:25 AM

Good stuff to know. Thanks.

p4 2.8 533fsb
intel mobo
1gb rdram pc 800
radeon9800 pro
120gb seagate s-ata
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