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May 29, 2005 11:01:29 AM

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I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
reasons, I may just be out of luck.
Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
coordinates?
TIA
Ted/
May 29, 2005 3:46:24 PM

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On 29 May 2005 07:01:29 -0700, "Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
>cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
>switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
>it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
>located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
>said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
>me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
>reasons, I may just be out of luck.
>Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
>coordinates?

Try berkana.com

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May 29, 2005 3:50:24 PM

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Ted wrote:
> I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
> cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
> switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
> it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
> located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
> said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
> me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
> reasons, I may just be out of luck.
> Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
> coordinates?
> TIA
> Ted/
>

Most (all?) carriers will not tell you where there stuff is for obvious
reasons. If you care to give your general location someone may offer a
location they know about. However it shouldn't take more than a few
minutes to do a complete sweep with a Yagi to get the best signal reading.
Related resources
May 29, 2005 3:50:25 PM

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On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:50:24 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Most (all?) carriers will not tell you where there stuff is for obvious
>reasons. If you care to give your general location someone may offer a
>location they know about. However it shouldn't take more than a few
>minutes to do a complete sweep with a Yagi to get the best signal reading.

Perhaps the carrier won't but there are several places on the net with
places that may tell you the location of towers.


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Anonymous
May 29, 2005 4:24:47 PM

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On 29 May 2005 07:01:29 -0700, "Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
>cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
>switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
>it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
>located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
>said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
>me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
>reasons, I may just be out of luck.
>Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
>coordinates?
>TIA
>Ted/

VZW will rarely tell, because most of VZW's store personel assume
*every* tower is theirs.

Also, understand that VZW (and few other carriers) errect their own
towers. They lease space from tower companies or on other structures.
If it is a tower you seek, you may be able to find one using the tower
companies' sites. Some have the antenna owners listed by tower.

http://www.crowncastle.com/
http://www.nwconline.com/
http://www.sbasite.com/
http://www.gsignal.com/home.aspx
http://www.spectrasite.com/web/CorporateSite2001/home.a...

Good luck.
Anonymous
May 29, 2005 4:28:41 PM

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On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:24:47 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
<ghost@general.lee> wrote:

>Also, understand that VZW (and few other carriers) rarely errect their own
>towers.

Sorry, that was typed too fast. It has been corrected.
Anonymous
May 29, 2005 5:12:56 PM

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One way to find the best signal is figure out the code to get the debug
screen to display on your handset.

When the Yagi antenna is rotated to the maximum signal reception the
"RX" value will show the lowest negative value.

For example -100db is a very poor signal and -80db is usually quite
usable.

Some phones are very easy to read and some have rather cryptic debug
menus.

Make sure you mount the mast so it's easy to rotate, then secure. A
mounted smaller diameter pipe inside the Yagi mast works for me.

The longer the Yagi and more elements, the better the signal and higher
the cost.

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David
May 29, 2005 8:15:42 PM

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Joseph wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:50:24 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Most (all?) carriers will not tell you where there stuff is for obvious
>>reasons. If you care to give your general location someone may offer a
>>location they know about. However it shouldn't take more than a few
>>minutes to do a complete sweep with a Yagi to get the best signal reading.
>
>
> Perhaps the carrier won't but there are several places on the net with
> places that may tell you the location of towers.
>
>
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>

But that probably won't help him with his quest because the towers are
usually owned by tower companies that lease space. He actually has the
classic antenna used for direction finding and it should be a trivial
exercise to find the best signal.
Anonymous
May 29, 2005 9:40:19 PM

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If your VZW service is on the old 800 Mhz cell band, a Decibel Products 800
Mhz paging beam antenna works just fine with low SWR and excellent
range/gain on the cellphone band. If you know anyone in paging, you can
probably get it for free.

On the 1900 Mhz PCS bands, the panel antennas work best.

With a beam, you get to chose for it which is the best tower to get service
from. The beam can be pointed to keep it from switching back and forth
between rival towers and eliminate switching caused by plain old TV
"ghosting", the multipath caused by the signals bouncing off objects
(mountains, buildings, airplanes, etc.) When the signal is weak, cellular
RF acts just like weak-signal UHF TV RF with lots of multipath and fading,
especially from overhead aircraft...making the calls drop.



"Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1117375289.442481.141940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
> cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
> switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
> it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
> located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
> said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
> me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
> reasons, I may just be out of luck.
> Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
> coordinates?
> TIA
> Ted/
>
>
Anonymous
May 29, 2005 10:26:34 PM

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On 29 May 2005 07:01:29 -0700, "Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
>cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
>switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
>it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
>located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
>said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
>me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
>reasons, I may just be out of luck.
>Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
>coordinates?

Your not likely to get them from any carrier, even if the person on the phone
did know where it was.

Also Verizon uses CellCo Partnership under some of its licenses.

Goto this site and do a search for your state and the radio service CL

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/reports/state_sv.cfm

You may also have to dig thru the reports at:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/index.ht...

Under the services CL for 800 A/B band and CN 1900 PCS

Do a radius search from here:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/genmen/lat_long...

You put in a lat/long and then do a radius to find every thing in the area.

Select "Universal Licensing Database" if it gives you a choice or more than one
on any search.


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Anonymous
May 30, 2005 3:07:42 AM

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On 29 May 2005 07:01:29 -0700, "Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
>coordinates?

Lots of Verizon towers are shown here:
http://www.crowncastle.com/sitelocator.shtml
Anonymous
May 30, 2005 5:33:41 AM

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Larry, whadda think of this panel antenna? I'm looking for something a
bit more compact (fit in a back pack?) and think I could just hang it
on a tree for mounting.

Planar - Discreet Panel Antennas - Antenna Specialists, Cellular,
Nextel, PCS GSM

http://www.criterioncellular.com/antennas/planarpanelan...


To the OP, here's a forum with lots of cell antenna applications.
Cellantenna Question and Answer Forum

http://www.cellantenna.com/.cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

I bought an Antenenex 9db Yagi from Criterioncellular, since they are
local here in CA and would custom terminate USA made quality coax
cable. They also helped me figure out the most cost efficient set of
cable adapters for hooking up several phones to the yagi.

I'm sure any properly designed Yagi works about the same, but the
Antennex has 360 degree welds and is individually tested to perform to
spec.

Looks like many of the cheap Yagi's are riveted and since I would be
carrying it in a trunk with camping gear, I wanted an antenna that
would hold up to getting banged around. It is very strong and only
wieghs about 1Lb. The mounting bracket wieghs about 1.75Lbs, wish that
part was lighter, since it's a little top heavy at the end of a 14 foot
mast when trying to slide over the top of a 3 foot mounting pole base
by hand.

High Gain Yagi

http://www.criterioncellular.com/antennas/yagiantennas....


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David
Anonymous
May 30, 2005 5:56:05 AM

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X-No-Archive: yesLarry could you reply todav lindi at hot mail for
PM?-David
Anonymous
May 30, 2005 10:07:28 AM

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"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> X-No-Archive: yesLarry could you reply todav lindi at hot mail for
> PM?-David
>
>

Keep it here. Conversations on usenet help lots of people, not just one.
It also gets more ideas into the conversation, as long as they stay civil.
Anonymous
May 30, 2005 5:35:58 PM

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Get your yagi, connect it and make a sweep or two looking for the best
signal. Probably the easiest way to go.

"Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1117375289.442481.141940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
> cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
> switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
> it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
> located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
> said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
> me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
> reasons, I may just be out of luck.
> Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
> coordinates?
> TIA
> Ted/
>
Anonymous
June 10, 2005 1:13:47 PM

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On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:24 -0700, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Try berkana.com
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Anonymous
July 15, 2005 12:51:36 AM

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Their antennas (what your're really interested) have to be licensed
through the FCC by Verizon and they are required by law to provide a
copy of that license to the public if requested. That license will
contain the coordiantes, antenna type,
frequencies, power and a bunch of other information. You can also get
this information directly from the FCC.


On Mon, 30 May 2005 13:35:58 GMT, "SOME BAD HAT HARRY"
<badhatharry@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Get your yagi, connect it and make a sweep or two looking for the best
>signal. Probably the easiest way to go.
>
>"Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1117375289.442481.141940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
>> cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
>> switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
>> it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
>> located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
>> said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
>> me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
>> reasons, I may just be out of luck.
>> Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
>> coordinates?
>> TIA
>> Ted/
>>
>
Anonymous
July 16, 2005 12:45:27 AM

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Try this link:

http://www.pciatowersearch.com/activexframeset.cfm?CFID...

David R. Goyer


"Scott L." <slarimer1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:o 02ed1h5592piuci3lh68j2kmia16oa4sr@4ax.com...
> Their antennas (what your're really interested) have to be licensed
> through the FCC by Verizon and they are required by law to provide a
> copy of that license to the public if requested. That license will
> contain the coordiantes, antenna type,
> frequencies, power and a bunch of other information. You can also get
> this information directly from the FCC.
>
>
> On Mon, 30 May 2005 13:35:58 GMT, "SOME BAD HAT HARRY"
> <badhatharry@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Get your yagi, connect it and make a sweep or two looking for the best
>>signal. Probably the easiest way to go.
>>
>>"Ted" <tedsaselli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1117375289.442481.141940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> I recently moved to an area for which I have to use a Wilson Trucker
>>> cell phone antenna to get decent Verizon service. I just may have to
>>> switch to a Yagi antenna to improve service. Being highly directional,
>>> it would help if I had a clue as to where the closest Verizon tower is
>>> located (map coordinates). I asked at my local Verizon store and they
>>> said they couldn't help me. I asked if Verizon Tech support could give
>>> me that info and their reply was that I could try but, for security
>>> reasons, I may just be out of luck.
>>> Has anyone had any success contacting Verizon for info on cell tower
>>> coordinates?
>>> TIA
>>> Ted/
>>>
>>
>
July 21, 2005 10:16:20 PM

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Scott L. <slarimer1@cox.net> wrote in
news:o 02ed1h5592piuci3lh68j2kmia16oa4sr@4ax.com:

> Their antennas (what your're really interested) have to be licensed
> through the FCC by Verizon and they are required by law to provide a
> copy of that license to the public if requested. That license will
> contain the coordiantes, antenna type,
> frequencies, power and a bunch of other information. You can also get
> this information directly from the FCC.
>
>

However, it won't be listed as Verizon. Verizon has a bunch of shell
companies the towers and terminal equipment are listed under....

--
Larry
Anonymous
July 21, 2005 10:16:21 PM

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Larry wrote:

> However, it won't be listed as Verizon. Verizon has a bunch of shell
> companies the towers and terminal equipment are listed under....

Not.

Like the big broadcasting companies did when they bought up a bunch of
stations, the cell carriers often opted not to change names on licenses.

In my hometown, you are probably going to see stuff licensed to NewPar
Cellular. NewPar isn't a shell company, and in fact was around for years
before Verizon was ever dreamt up. NewPar started out by being the
CellularONE franchisee in Cleveland, back when there was only AMPS. About
the same time that CDMA came along, they jumped ship and became an AirTouch
Cellular franchisee. And we all know what happened to AirTouch.

Cellco Partnership isn't a "shell" either, not in the sense that you're
talking about; it's the name of the joint venture formed between Vodafone
and Verizon. I know there are several towers licensed under the Cellco name too.

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Anonymous
July 21, 2005 10:16:22 PM

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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>
>> However, it won't be listed as Verizon. Verizon has a bunch of shell
>> companies the towers and terminal equipment are listed under....
>
>
> Not.
>
> Like the big broadcasting companies did when they bought up a bunch of
> stations,

Radio stations, that is.

Clear Channel's radio stations here in the Victor Valley are still licensed
to Capstar Broadcasting, according to the FCC website, and Clear Channel
bought Capstar several years ago.

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July 21, 2005 11:46:13 PM

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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:D bp75f$knq$1@ratbert.glorb.com:

> Cellco Partnership isn't a "shell" either, not in the sense that
> you're talking about; it's the name of the joint venture formed
> between Vodafone and Verizon. I know there are several towers licensed
> under the Cellco name too.
>

This "company", if it makes you feel better, owns the whole Verizon system
in SC.

--
Larry
Anonymous
July 22, 2005 7:41:49 AM

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Larry wrote:
> Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
> news:D bp75f$knq$1@ratbert.glorb.com:
>
>
>>Cellco Partnership isn't a "shell" either, not in the sense that
>>you're talking about; it's the name of the joint venture formed
>>between Vodafone and Verizon. I know there are several towers licensed
>>under the Cellco name too.
>>
>
>
> This "company", if it makes you feel better, owns the whole Verizon system
> in SC.

This company is, in fact, Verizon Wireless itself. "Verizon Wireless"
is only a "dba" or trade name. The official company name of Verizon
Wireless is Cellco Partnership, sometimes written as "Cellco Partnership
d/b/a Verizon Wireless." (I have even filed legal briefs for the latter
entity.)

As to the other names on licensing and tower records, in the wireless
industry, all of the big players have gotten where they are by mergers
and acquisitions, often a small piece at a time. The original licenses
were often issued to limited partnerships, in which many of the partners
were themselves partnerships or limited partnerships with corporate
intermediaries at various levels, but the ultimate ownership was quite
splintered. This structure done for a variety of reasons, including
tax, compliance with foreign ownership rules, and establishment of a
particular control structure. Over time, the managing general partner
of the licensee often bought out the other ultimate owners one by one,
resulting in a limited partnership in which all or most of the
partnership interests were owned by other partnerships that were
ultimately majority owned and controlled by one company, and eventually
that company owned all of the pieces. These complicated structures had
to be preserved, however, because collapsing it all down would have
terrible tax consequences.

To make matters even more complicated, some deals involved swaps of
ownership of various licenses or entities that were designed to get
favorable tax treatment as "like kind exchanges" or whatever. The
result is that you have corporate entities named for a former California
telephone company holding a New York city license.

This is a real example: PacTel Mobile Access, a former Pacific Telesis
subsidiary that held some licenses in California, was at one point the
licensee of a system in NYC long after Pacific Telesis had been absorbed
into Southwestern Bell; the PTMA system in New York was owned and
operated by Cingular Wireless LLC, but the legal entity holding the
license was a Cingular sub named PacTel Mobile Access. I believe there
was also a New York area license held by Los Angeles SMSA Limited
Partnership. (Post-AT&T Wireless merger, this may have changed due to
divestitures, etc.)

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