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Intel Leaked Roadmap for Sandy Bridge E-series
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Ivy Bridge processors are seamlessly compatible with existing LGA1155 platforms, and "Cougar Point" P67, H67, H61, Z68, chipsets, although it will come with its own 7-series chipset.
Not that it is a bad thing, but why would Intel rush to get new items out, they have nothing to fear with AMD, and anyone else would be a laugh... maybe they know something we do not.
I thing AMD is still 18-24 months of even being close to intel. So its a price thing for AMD>
I thing AMD is still 18-24 months of even being close to intel. So its a price thing for AMD>
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[citation][nom]itguy_nyc[/nom]I wish intel would stick to one socket type. Then maybe i could upgrade my CPU without feeling used..........[/citation]
I agree. I know that the new LGA 1155 is said to be compatable going forward, but what about my LGA 1366 or the LGA 1156. They didn't last long at all.
I agree. I know that the new LGA 1155 is said to be compatable going forward, but what about my LGA 1366 or the LGA 1156. They didn't last long at all.
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[citation][nom]jdamon113[/nom]Not that it is a bad thing, but why would Intel rush to get new items out, they have nothing to fear with AMD, and anyone else would be a laugh... maybe they know something we do not. I thing AMD is still 18-24 months of even being close to intel. So its a price thing for AMD>[/citation]
I don't know. AMD's latest Llano APUs seem to have given a slight competition to Intel's SB as they seem to process multiple applications with ease at once while Intel's SB couldn't. I think that showed Intel that AMD is perhaps going to kick it in to gear and not worry about the bang for the buck too much. Not saying they're going to hit the prices of Intel's processors, but they are certainly going to be much better.
I don't know. AMD's latest Llano APUs seem to have given a slight competition to Intel's SB as they seem to process multiple applications with ease at once while Intel's SB couldn't. I think that showed Intel that AMD is perhaps going to kick it in to gear and not worry about the bang for the buck too much. Not saying they're going to hit the prices of Intel's processors, but they are certainly going to be much better.
the llano apu's are based on phenom architecture, shrunk down to 32nm. Maybe better performance-per-watt, but the llano's are more about an all-in-one chip that doubles/triples the on-die graphics of sandy bridge counterparts. Basically a low or mid chip that provides graphics and good performance while not consuming a lot of power for cheap. Low end desktops and notebooks is what the llano will be targeting, i think. Definitely not going up against the mid or upper SB's. and forget about the E-series/ivy bridge.
Is this new e-series SB on a new socket or 1155? what about ivy bridge? chipset doesn't necessarily mean same socket and intel already announced a new socket; just look at the MSI/asus/asrock anouncements with regards to am3/am3+ compatibility. same chipset but compatible on either socket. Quad channel is making me think it'll likely be new?
The ivy bridge CPUs will supposedly be another 20% increase over current SB models, which is essentially the jump intel made from the 1156>1155.
Is this new e-series SB on a new socket or 1155? what about ivy bridge? chipset doesn't necessarily mean same socket and intel already announced a new socket; just look at the MSI/asus/asrock anouncements with regards to am3/am3+ compatibility. same chipset but compatible on either socket. Quad channel is making me think it'll likely be new?
The ivy bridge CPUs will supposedly be another 20% increase over current SB models, which is essentially the jump intel made from the 1156>1155.
Well Intel is a business so they are milking consumers for all their worth by introducing incremental upgrades rather than a big jump. Intel's last big jump was from Pentium to Core 2 but that rarely happens and was necessary to regain top spot from AMD. So lets hope AMD can also innovate to keep the pressure on!
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Pelov -- look at the color codes near the bottom of the "Desktop Platform: Roadmap" slide. The light blue colored blocks are Sandy Bridge-E in an LGA2011 socket. It has to be a new socket because that CPU will have quad-channel memory plus up to 20MB of L3 cache and LGA1155 doesn't have enough connections for that. Ivy Bridge will be LGA1155 socket to start.
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[citation][nom]deweycd[/nom]I agree. I know that the new LGA 1155 is said to be compatable going forward, but what about my LGA 1366 or the LGA 1156. They didn't last long at all.[/citation]
I dont know what you are talking about, but 1366 was one of the longest lasting sockets ever. It's still going! 990x is still the fastest CPU according to Intel. I mean, the i7 Series was released 2008, and has held the performance crown for 3 years. Thats even better than AM3, which is 2-2.5 years, and 775 was fragmented by different incompatible chipsets, so I believe it was better than that too! 1156 was a bit disappointing given its relatively tiny lifespan of less than a year, i think around 8 months? Hopefully 1155 will last into Ivy Bridge, and up until what would be called something like Ivy Bridge EX. Thats a solid 1.5-2 years out of it at the least, which is fairly average or decent for a socket. And besides, better a new socket, than using an old one that holds your CPU design back.
I dont know what you are talking about, but 1366 was one of the longest lasting sockets ever. It's still going! 990x is still the fastest CPU according to Intel. I mean, the i7 Series was released 2008, and has held the performance crown for 3 years. Thats even better than AM3, which is 2-2.5 years, and 775 was fragmented by different incompatible chipsets, so I believe it was better than that too! 1156 was a bit disappointing given its relatively tiny lifespan of less than a year, i think around 8 months? Hopefully 1155 will last into Ivy Bridge, and up until what would be called something like Ivy Bridge EX. Thats a solid 1.5-2 years out of it at the least, which is fairly average or decent for a socket. And besides, better a new socket, than using an old one that holds your CPU design back.
My Q6600 isn't even at the bottom of the list anymore.... its not "that old" yet and had allot of kick in it. Want to go 6 core, but I am tired of keeping up with this mess.
I want a socket where I can upgrade to a newer technology in 5-10 years, not next week
I want a socket where I can upgrade to a newer technology in 5-10 years, not next week
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The new E Series will be on LGA 2011. Yup thats over 2k pins for a single chip. Also I bet ivy bridge will not get 20% more efficient clock for clock over SB but it will get slightly more optimized and get a speed increase to get to that %20 increase in performance.
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Intel needs actually to have a very high top position since market is eroding on low and medium levels, including Windows 8 to run on ARM. People feel less and less compelled to upgrade to new computers. First time buyers don't use it fully, so the advice IT specialists give them is to get a lesser computer at first, to find out what will they be doing with it, and then, once figured out where they stand with the computer, with the money saved, they can buy an even more powerful computer than originally planned because tech advances fast.
Sandy bridge e = s2011 chipset= x79 the processors will come out in price from I2600k (s1155) and up(let me guess the extreme 1000$), and no graphic card(in the processor), more cores instead(6 or 8) and a sas/sata controller +4 ddr channels so will be a good replacement for 1366 ah forgot the Pcie 3th version
[citation][nom]itguy_nyc[/nom]I wish intel would stick to one socket type. Then maybe i could upgrade my CPU without feeling used..........[/citation]
There is always a tradeoff to this. You limit what you can change as far as the underlying architecture by keeping a very common socket. Since they are going to QUAD channel memory, I wager that requires a very different data path. That isn't going to be the same socket by a long shot.
You either get massive increases in performance and the way things work, or very common socket type. Keeping backwards compatibility can often hinder a platform.
Didn't we have people panning AMD for often changing their sockets back when Intel was still using 775?
There is always a tradeoff to this. You limit what you can change as far as the underlying architecture by keeping a very common socket. Since they are going to QUAD channel memory, I wager that requires a very different data path. That isn't going to be the same socket by a long shot.
You either get massive increases in performance and the way things work, or very common socket type. Keeping backwards compatibility can often hinder a platform.
Didn't we have people panning AMD for often changing their sockets back when Intel was still using 775?
I was looking forward to an 8 core Sandy Bridge in Q3, as mentioned on Wikipedia. Another 6 core is not what I need to scale up from my current 980x. I looked towards the Xeon E3's (that are based on Sandy Bridge) but they're not scalable and so out of the question. In theory had Intel not been such tight asses, you could have built a 16 core workstation for under $3000.
Only the uber expensive Westmere EX is scalable to 16 and that'll set you back $8000 before you've even considered other components. Ridiculous.
The production costs of a 10 core Xeon is not that much higher than that of their lowest end Sandy Bridge chip, yet the price difference is almost $4000.
Only the uber expensive Westmere EX is scalable to 16 and that'll set you back $8000 before you've even considered other components. Ridiculous.
The production costs of a 10 core Xeon is not that much higher than that of their lowest end Sandy Bridge chip, yet the price difference is almost $4000.
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didnt they say they would be using pci e 3.0 for support of lga 2011.Now i dont know what to believe..
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In my personal experience, I don't upgrade computers every year or even every other year. I think in the past 11 years I've bought only 3 desktops (3rd was assembled a month ago) so I've been on just 2 desktops in the past 11 years.
When I upgrade to the new line even though the option for a slight CPU upgrade is a good option, it doesn't matter for me since I'll probably over hauling the entire computer.
All three times I've probably spent around $500-600 max for the components.
So whether its Intel or AMD changing sockets with every new line of CPUs, I wonder how many peope it really affects. I'm not saying that just because it has no impact on my computer it should'nt for anyone else but what is the avg life of a computer anyways?
My family have had their computer for 5yrs straight now and they're not thinking of updating at all.
I personally am very excited with all the advancement in chipsets and CPU specs.
When I upgrade to the new line even though the option for a slight CPU upgrade is a good option, it doesn't matter for me since I'll probably over hauling the entire computer.
All three times I've probably spent around $500-600 max for the components.
So whether its Intel or AMD changing sockets with every new line of CPUs, I wonder how many peope it really affects. I'm not saying that just because it has no impact on my computer it should'nt for anyone else but what is the avg life of a computer anyways?
My family have had their computer for 5yrs straight now and they're not thinking of updating at all.
I personally am very excited with all the advancement in chipsets and CPU specs.
[citation][nom]InTheCity[/nom]I was looking forward to an 8 core Sandy Bridge in Q3, as mentioned on Wikipedia. Another 6 core is not what I need to scale up from my current 980x. I looked towards the Xeon E3's (that are based on Sandy Bridge) but they're not scalable and so out of the question. In theory had Intel not been such tight asses, you could have built a 16 core workstation for under $3000. Only the uber expensive Westmere EX is scalable to 16 and that'll set you back $8000 before you've even considered other components. Ridiculous. The production costs of a 10 core Xeon is not that much higher than that of their lowest end Sandy Bridge chip, yet the price difference is almost $4000.[/citation]
That's part of the appeal of the ARM stuff. There's lots of companies fighting over that same crowd and it keeps the prices very very low in comparison to what you see in the high end. In the high end it's a monopoly. They'll charge whatever they want because nobody else is allowed to make it. AMD v Intel, throw in some IBM and a sprinkle of VIA.
That's part of the appeal of the ARM stuff. There's lots of companies fighting over that same crowd and it keeps the prices very very low in comparison to what you see in the high end. In the high end it's a monopoly. They'll charge whatever they want because nobody else is allowed to make it. AMD v Intel, throw in some IBM and a sprinkle of VIA.
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