3400 A64 in a few weeks!

[speeduk]

In just a few short weeks, I will be purchasing the following;

AMD Athlon 64 3400
MSI K8T Neo FIS2R
2x512mb Kingston 3500 (217mhz)

Basically I plan on running the FSB @ 210-220mhz depending on how well the mobo copes. I will post my overclocking antics when I have it built, but early indications show 220mhz fsb (2.42ghz) to be realistic, and 2.2k in 3dmark 2001 a possibility!

My system spec: Fast PC<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7000747" target="_new"> 3D-2001 </A>
"It's not the spoon that bends, it's only yourself."

 

[Vapor]

I got 6 times that score in 2K1SE...

Also, you might want to go for some Muskin 3500 Level2, it has excellent timings (I don't know about Kingston's timings, but I know Mushkin's are amazing).

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.

 

[pjordan]

How will that compare to an overclocked P4 like a 2.8 or 3.0. What speed P4 do u think it will be equivalent to? How much cache is on the 3400?

 

[pjordan]

In Anandtech's revew, it seems like they say it has 512, but on Newegg and other stores, they say it has 1 meg. Is there 2 versions or what?

 

[Prof133]

<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487^10248,00.html" target="_new">Athlon64 3400+: 2.2GHz, 1Mbyte L2 cache</A>

 

[pjordan]

Quote from Anandtech.com

Newcastle is the mainstream successor to Claw Hammer, what all current Athlon 64s are based on right now. The only difference between Newcastle and Claw Hammer is that Newcastle has half the L2 cache, totaling 512KB instead of the original 1MB L2 that AMD launched. Why AMD would introduce the Athlon 64 with a 1MB L2 only to scale it back a couple of months later is anyone's guess. Perhaps AMD felt that it would be necessary to compete with Prescott or perhaps there were design issues with getting it to market in time, needless to say that slowly but surely all Athlon 64's will be Newcastle derived.

What does this mean?

 

[scottchen]

speedy, you're back, are you sure you want a VIA mobo? I'm pretty sure it can't lock AGP/PCI freq. That might ruin your chance of overclocking that thing.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 450/900 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

 

[Prof133]

Sounds like they're saying that Desktop Athlon64 (non FX) is currently available in two L2 cache sizes - 512Kbyte and 1Mbyte - but eventually all Desktop Athlon64 (non FX)'s will have 512Kbyte L2 cache size.

 

[pjordan]

An overclocked 3400 will compare to about how fast of a P4?
3.8 Ghz maybe?

 

[Prof133]

I couldn't give a good estimate. I'm sure there will be articles written on this subject. But, soon the hot overclocking Athlon64 setup will probably be:

-Athlon64 3000+/3200+
-Motherboard with AGP/PCI lock and excellent voltage options (especially memory voltage)
-Thermalright SLK-948U
-Memory modules with Winbond Rev B chips (Mushkin PC3200/PC3500 Level-II, for example)

 

[pIII_Man]

Its not much of a problem actually...according to an ICS datasheet (ics is one of the biggest MOBO pll manufacturers) the highest pci clock that can be reached is 37mhz at 300mhz fsb, all other fsb frequencies will run 34mhz pci or a little less. I have not looked a cypresses PLL's but i suspect the same will be true.


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy

 

[speeduk]

Hey guys. I chose the via mobo because at stock it performs as fast as the nforce boards running @ 210 fsb. I've spent hours looking at reviews and asking for opinions, and the MSI board is very stable and super fast. Even if it just gets me to 215fsb thats equal to the perf of a 3600 A64, and that will do me fine.

Oh and yeah thats 22,000 3dmarks not 2.2k lol. At stock with a 9800pro I've seen the MSI+3400 combo score 20,300-20,600 depending on what mem timings are used, and since my 9700pro clocks upto 390/350, I think I should hit at least 22,000, and thats not bad with a 9700pro!

Maybe the new NF3-250 mobos will be out (that lock pci + agp) by the time I order, but even the current nforce 3 mobos have problems locking pci and won't do much more than 220fsb.

Oh and a 3400 @ 215mhz fsb would = a P4 3ghz @ 250mhz fsb (3.75ghz) or a stock 4ghz P4, roughly, but the 3400 would run a lot cooler and I won't need expensive memory.

My system spec: Fast PC<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7000747" target="_new"> 3D-2001 </A>
"It's not the spoon that bends, it's only yourself."

 

[speeduk]

Also the real clockers won't appear until the new process is used, because the current A64's wont do much more than 2.6ghz with water and 2.7 with a vapo or similar. The real sweet clockers will be the .09 3600's or whatever they launch @ and will probably do 2.4ghz stock on just 1.5v and ramp all the way upto 3ghz when the process has matured.

At the moment though, even a 100mhz speed increase in an A64 is decent, and toms showed that just 15mhz extra fsb and 160mhz cpu speed gives an extra 1,200 3dmarks in 2001, thats pretty amazing for such a small overclock.

Once those .09 2.4ghz/1.5v chips mature, I think we are going to see some seriously powerful machines. And as for intel, their prescott cpu is suppost to be no more powerful in games than the current P4, so it would take a 4.4ghz P4 to compete with a 2.4ghz FX53 with normal DDR low latency memory. What are intel upto?

My system spec: Fast PC<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7000747" target="_new"> 3D-2001 </A>
"It's not the spoon that bends, it's only yourself."

 

[Johanthegnarler]

It's not just amazing, it's efficient. Something the american work force doesn't seem to understand. That's why i'm stuck at my crumby job.

p4 2.8 533fsb
intel mobo
1gb rdram pc 800
radeon9800 pro
120gb seagate s-ata

 

[JoeB]

It's not just amazing, it's efficient. Something the american work force doesn't seem to understand.

heheh, indeed.

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[speeduk]

Update: I'm getting the 3200 and keeping my 200mhz memory as it looks like overclocking on the current A64 mobos is pretty poor. Will get a new mobo in a few months time though with some fast memory and see what the 3200 will do when the 250 chipset is out.

My system spec: Fast PC<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7000747" target="_new"> 3D-2001 </A>
"It's not the spoon that bends, it's only yourself."