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January 22, 2013 7:37:03 AM

ok iam seriously confused for what direction i must go with my gaming upgrade.ive used amd since 2004 and being let down by my amd fx 6200 cpu iam thinking toward intel now . so i have a budject being a father of two and a house ,lol.so let me know honestly what is best for gaming.iam gaming mostly rts games.
intel upgrade
.Intel® Core i5-3570 Processor
Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 6MB, 77W, HD2500, Boxed w/fan
.Gainward GeForce GTX 660 2GB PhysX CUDA
PCI-Express 3.0, GDDR5, DL-DVI-D + DL-DVI-I, HDMI, DP, 980MHz
.Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H, Socket-1155
ATX, Z77, DDR3, 1xG3+1xG2-PCIe-x16, CFX, mSATA, VGA, DVI, HDMI, UEFI

amd upgrade

AMD FX-8350 8-Core Processor
Socket-AM3+, 4.0Ghz, 125W, 8MB L2 + 8MB L3 Cache, 32nm, Black Edition

XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB GDDR5
PCI-Express 3.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, 2xmini-DisplayPort, 1000MHz, Ghost Thermal

ASUS M5A97 R2.0, Socket-AM3+
ATX, 970+SB950, DDR3, 2xG2-PCIe-x16, CFX, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, UEFI


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January 22, 2013 8:10:36 AM

If gaming is your priority then go for the Intel setup.

But if your on a budget, upgrading will be much cheaper and the 8350 is a decent CPU all round and put money towards a 670/7970
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January 22, 2013 9:04:02 AM

successful_troll said:
go for the AMD FX 8350 with the HD7870

this is a great cpu especially if you OC to 5GHz, and the HD7870 is faster than the GTX660.

here is a nice review on AMD FX 8350 vs Intel 3570K
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE


The review isn't reliable.

Different hardware has been used in the comparison. Not only CPU and MOBO.

Try some legit comparisons:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-rev...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-rev...

I would prefer the Intel setup. The Intel setup has better CPU performance and almost similar GPU performance. The Intel setup also has way lower power consumption.

The GTX 660 that comes with the Intel setup also has TXAA, FXAA, PhysX and Adaptive v-sync. Here is the Radeon 7870 lacking behind.


January 22, 2013 9:23:46 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
The review isn't reliable.

Different hardware has been used in the comparison. Not only CPU and MOBO.

Try some legit comparisons:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-rev...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-rev...

I would prefer the Intel setup. The Intel setup has better CPU performance and almost similar GPU performance. The Intel setup also has way lower power consumption.

The GTX 660 that comes with the Intel setup also has TXAA, FXAA, PhysX and Adaptive v-sync. Here is the Radeon 7870 lacking behind.

by Different hardware you mean different SSD? LOL intel fanboys these days are truly desperate. :lol: 
and these reviews you show only do a few specific benchmarks when the intel is performing better...
and the HD7870 destroys the GTX 660 and also the HD7870 OC much better.(FXAA used both by AMD & nvidia, and TXAA, PhysX only a handful of games use that, and good lack using PhysX with the 660 :lol:  )
January 22, 2013 9:46:29 AM

i guess iam sold agian to amd , its hard after so many years to jump ship to intel , besides i find tweaking alittle on an amd system in the end shows better performance , plus i love tweaking . cheers for opinions guys .
January 22, 2013 9:59:31 AM

successful_troll said:
by Different hardware you mean different SSD? LOL intel fanboys these days are truly desperate. :lol: 
and these reviews you show only do a few specific benchmarks when the intel is performing better...
and the HD7870 destroys the GTX 660 and also the HD7870 OC much better.(FXAA used both by AMD & nvidia, and TXAA, PhysX only a handful of games use that, and good lack using PhysX with the 660 :lol:  )


FXAA is avaible in some games. AMD can't get FXAA in every game, that is Nvidia only.

PhysX and TXAA is only in a handful games yes, but those games are apparently also the some of the biggest and most popular games.

HD 7870 don't destroy GTX 660. And you can't compare an OC GPU with a stock GPU. Please show me the legit benchmarks with the latest drivers where the 7870 is a clear winner, because I don't really believe you can,

I can keep on posting benchmarks:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8350_proces... Here you can clearly see that FX 8350 is weaker in Crysis 2 than Intel i5-3570k, even though your video says other wise.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-835... And more...

How much do you want?? Can't you see that you have made a mistake?

As long as games doesn't use 8-cores FX 8350 won't beat i5-3570k. AMD has weak single core performance compared to Intel.
January 22, 2013 10:01:32 AM

scarywestern said:
i guess iam sold agian to amd , its hard after so many years to jump ship to intel , besides i find tweaking alittle on an amd system in the end shows better performance , plus i love tweaking . cheers for opinions guys .


Have you had a look at all those benchmarks I posted? If you want the best performance, then AMD isn't the best option.
a b À AMD
January 22, 2013 10:21:25 AM

If you are looking at a 3570 nothing AMD has comes close but if you look at a 6300 and want to overclock and spend the money saved on a better GPU then AMD is a good buy.
a b å Intel
January 22, 2013 10:25:41 AM

CPU Thoughts-
As with every one of these slightly pointless arguments, there isn't really a bad choice. The current line of AMD processors are perfectly competent and arguably offer better value for money. In the vast majority of benchmarks, Intel are still a bit ahead in single threaded performance (and games), but lets be very clear here - neither of them are bad in any way. Most games are still held back by graphics so in many ways the choice of CPU in a gaming machine is redundant.
There are clear advantages to both sides, ignore the trolls and the fanboys and buy whatever you prefer, it's unlikely you'll regret it.

Graphics thoughts-
The HD7870 and GTX660 are both great cards and in my mind they are right on the sweet spot of value/performance right now. You spend much more and make fairly minimal gains, you spend less and you'll struggle to run modern games on higher specs.
Neither has a significant performance advantage, the GTX660 was (until recently) priced a fair bit cheaper so it was probably the card to buy. Additionally, it uses less power, only needs one PCIe connector, and the vast majority of card designs are remarkably compact. If that is important or beneficial, its a great little card, bought one myself for an ITX build.
With price drops the HD7870 is probably the better value as it has the legs on the GTX660 in most games, though it's not by much.
January 22, 2013 10:46:22 AM

I would disregard everything about OCing. If you are on a budget you don't want to cut the lifespan of your hardware. Take notice of what people are saying when they don't mention overclocking. Stock speeds are still absolutely brilliant.
January 22, 2013 10:54:18 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
FXAA is avaible in some games. AMD can't get FXAA in every game, that is Nvidia only.

PhysX and TXAA is only in a handful games yes, but those games are apparently also the some of the biggest and most popular games.

HD 7870 don't destroy GTX 660. And you can't compare an OC GPU with a stock GPU. Please show me the legit benchmarks with the latest drivers where the 7870 is a clear winner, because I don't really believe you can,

I can keep on posting benchmarks:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8350_proces... Here you can clearly see that FX 8350 is weaker in Crysis 2 than Intel i5-3570k, even though your video says other wise.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-835... And more...

How much do you want?? Can't you see that you have made a mistake?

As long as games doesn't use 8-cores FX 8350 won't beat i5-3570k. AMD has weak single core performance compared to Intel.


I guess you didn't know that there is a universal FXAA injector that works on ALL cards(AMD and NVIDIA), it intercepts DX calls and does its post-processing the same is true for SMAA (https://www.assembla.com/spaces/fxaa-pp-inject/wiki)

if you try to use PhysX with the GTX660 use going to get horrible fps so better not use it, you can have a valid argument with the PhysX ONLY with high end GPU's like HD7970 vs GTX680 but then again only a handful of games use that.

I said that the HD 7870 is faster than the GTX 660 stock vs stock , and also the HD7870 OC better than the GTX 660 so, the HD7870-OC will destroy the GTX660-OC.

the video i post at the begging it actually show the i5-3570k perform better in crysis2 than the FX 8350, but i guess you didn't even watch the video :whistle: 

January 22, 2013 3:32:37 PM

successful_troll said:
I guess you didn't know that there is a universal FXAA injector that works on ALL cards(AMD and NVIDIA), it intercepts DX calls and does its post-processing the same is true for SMAA (https://www.assembla.com/spaces/fxaa-pp-inject/wiki)

if you try to use PhysX with the GTX660 use going to get horrible fps so better not use it, you can have a valid argument with the PhysX ONLY with high end GPU's like HD7970 vs GTX680 but then again only a handful of games use that.

I said that the HD 7870 is faster than the GTX 660 stock vs stock , and also the HD7870 OC better than the GTX 660 so, the HD7870-OC will destroy the GTX660-OC.

the video i post at the begging it actually show the i5-3570k perform better in crysis2 than the FX 8350, but i guess you didn't even watch the video :whistle: 


In Nvidia control panel you can enable FXAA in any EVERYTHING. You can't in CCC.
I own a GPU by Nvidia and one by AMD, so please.

It won't destroy GTX 660, I asked you for benchmarks and you didn't bring any. Conclusion: You're WRONG.

I did watch the video, but I didn't quite remember where the i5-3570k won and lost. Still all the benchmarks I posted says otherwise in every game, even Tomshardware.

GTX 660 can EASILY handle PhysX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STi6rNeYZrY This is a video I made of PhysX when I still had a GTX 660.


a b À AMD
January 22, 2013 3:54:57 PM

to get comparable cpu performance from the fx cpu's you have to overclock them and get them to work on 6 or more threads.
as rammy points out there both decent cpu's for the money but performance goes to intel for doing more per clock on less cores and less power. as your a family man and a home owner i guess your concerns are bills. well if thats the case the intel cpu will save you more money on your bills than the fx would and still get great performance at stock clocks.
yes amd may be cheaper out the gate but after 1 year they have cost roughly the same and 2 years the intel has saved you money. every year after than the gap will grow.
so i would suggest if your gonna splash out. go intel.
you say you already have an fx setup. well why not save enev more money and just swap out the parts you dont need and sell them on. you can recoup some of your money which you can then put towards higher end components.


January 22, 2013 5:56:18 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
In Nvidia control panel you can enable FXAA in any EVERYTHING. You can't in CCC.
I own a GPU by Nvidia and one by AMD, so please.

It won't destroy GTX 660, I asked you for benchmarks and you didn't bring any. Conclusion: You're WRONG.

I did watch the video, but I didn't quite remember where the i5-3570k won and lost. Still all the benchmarks I posted says otherwise in every game, even Tomshardware.

GTX 660 can EASILY handle PhysX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STi6rNeYZrY This is a video I made of PhysX when I still had a GTX 660.

lostgamer_03 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbMYV8Djt7k

Please watch this, it's the response. The dislikes are because that he made the REAL comparison using the same hardware!


did you read my post? there is a universal FXAA(and SMAA) injector that works on ALL cards(AMD and NVIDIA) in every game.
Also"In CCC you can enable MLAA in any EVERYTHING. You can't in Nvidia control panel. " you see i copy that you said :o 

you can look here http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/ben... and you will see that in many cases the HD7870 even beat the 660ti let alone the 660

please show me a 660 ruining borderlands 2 in 1080p high settings and high PhysX and constant 60fps+. the answer is you cant, PhysX is viable in high end cards and even then constant 60fps+ is not guaranteed.(what i am saying is that you can have a HD7870 for example with a good cpu and get similar fps in PhysX with the GTX660)


cpu argument now:
the response video you show have 160-likes & 552-dislikes and the other video have 2660-likes & 139-dislikes, I rest my case....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this review is correct :sol: 

stop being intel or nvidia fanboy it is not cool...




January 22, 2013 6:13:44 PM

successful_troll said:
did you read my post? there is a universal FXAA(and SMAA) injector that works on ALL cards(AMD and NVIDIA) in every game.
Also"In CCC you can enable MLAA in any EVERYTHING. You can't in Nvidia control panel. " you see i copy that you said :o 

you can look here http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/ben... and you will see that in many cases the HD7870 even beat the 660ti let alone the 660

please show me a 660 ruining borderlands 2 in 1080p high settings and high PhysX and constant 60fps+. the answer is you cant, PhysX is viable in high end cards and even then constant 60fps+ is not guaranteed.(what i am saying is that you can have a HD7870 for example with a good cpu and get similar fps in PhysX with the GTX660)


cpu argument now:
the response video you show have 160-likes & 552-dislikes and the other video have 2660-likes & 139-dislikes, I rest my case....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this review is correct :sol: 

stop being intel or nvidia fanboy it is not cool...


I've come to an conclusion during all this.

You don't pay attention to the facts and kinda "believe" that you you're right. Some people believe in Santa, still doesn't mean he is real. You conclude only on 1 person and don't really compare it to what the big shots are getting. I know you will still answer with something you believe is right, but don't really know for sure.

Also, there is no information in your link with Tomshardware.

This will be my last reply, I'm done here.

Oh, and about the "fanboy" insult, look at all your threads. Bye.

January 22, 2013 6:24:38 PM

most games cant use more than 4 cores so for gaming your paying for cores you wont use.

intel is faster core for core


now when they say overclock the amd to beat intel cpu.

THIS is to beat an i5 at stock speeds.

if you buy an i5 k series and overclock then amd cant hold a candle to intel in games
January 23, 2013 11:06:27 AM

i just relized that the 3570k is unlocked.gezzz i should research more on intel , like i said i play mainly rts games and they seem to performs best on intel in tests , simcity is why iam building this build and shogun 2 . i guess the 3570 k is the way to go and fork out alittle more for a 660 ti . and just to confirm is this a good mobo and gpu

MSI Z77A-G43, Socket-1155
ATX, Z77, DDR3, 1xG3+1xG2-PCIe-x16, CFX, VGA, DVI, HDMI, UEFI


MSI GeForce GTX 660Ti 2GB PhysX CUDA
PCI-Express 3.0, DL-DVI-D+DL-DVI-I, HDMI, DP

cheers for the heads up

a b À AMD
January 23, 2013 11:07:54 AM

yes there all good parts
a b À AMD
January 23, 2013 1:18:07 PM

Stay on topic people.
January 23, 2013 1:42:47 PM

successful_troll said:
I guess you didn't know that there is a universal FXAA injector that works on ALL cards(AMD and NVIDIA), it intercepts DX calls and does its post-processing the same is true for SMAA (https://www.assembla.com/spaces/fxaa-pp-inject/wiki)

if you try to use PhysX with the GTX660 use going to get horrible fps so better not use it, you can have a valid argument with the PhysX ONLY with high end GPU's like HD7970 vs GTX680 but then again only a handful of games use that.

I said that the HD 7870 is faster than the GTX 660 stock vs stock , and also the HD7870 OC better than the GTX 660 so, the HD7870-OC will destroy the GTX660-OC.

the video i post at the begging it actually show the i5-3570k perform better in crysis2 than the FX 8350, but i guess you didn't even watch the video :whistle: 


Every game is different. Different built engines. Battlefield 3 for example uses 6 cores, where fx-8350 has the advantage.
January 23, 2013 3:17:56 PM

I would side with lost gamer on this one ..... lean towards the intel build you cannot go wrong. Also have to agree with gamer on the fact that what troll believes is his mind is a factual argument. This is not the case ..... Lostgamer i'd recommend not responding to troll because it looks/reads/sounds like you are arguing with a woman.....why the hell are you bringing FACTS into an argument!

I have built numerous computers ....intel/amd ati/nvidia you name it but when I build my own I use Intel and Nvidia currently because they offer the best products. Albiet they may have a higher price : performance ratio. When you want the best you have to pay for it.
January 24, 2013 5:16:03 AM

successful_troll said:
there are all equal because this benchmark is GPU bound.


Well that was unexpected ;)  but of course intel and amd build their CPU's completely differently
January 24, 2013 8:35:49 AM

successful_troll said:
Maybe you need to pay attention to logan the honest man, that is not get payed by intel to fake the results!


He might get paid by AMD? How can you tell? Do you expect Tomshardware is lying? What about Bit-tech, Techpowerup, Anandtech? Why don't you listen to reason instead.

I posted so many benchmarks during this, so many reviews, so many comparisons, all which are pointing against Logan. I'm subscribed to Teksyndicate on youtube and I follow their homepage, I love their videos and I think Logain is hilarious, really one of my favorite reviewers. But when they are doing misleading videos that make people like you turn into people, that won't listen to reason, then I have to act. You could be compared to an Apple fanboy. One that only believes in what Apple says, without listening to the world outside. It's almost a religion to you.

Here is an example: Cake is awesome, I don't why, I can't say why, but it is, my mom say so. Here I make no argumentation, I only believe in one person and rely on that to be true.

I've crossed the line of this post. I've moved out of subject several times which I'm sorry for and now I can finally say that I have shown what is real and what is wrong. I'll stop spamming this page and so should you.
January 24, 2013 8:47:46 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
He might get paid by AMD? How can you tell? Do you expect Tomshardware is lying? What about Bit-tech, Techpowerup, Anandtech? Why don't you listen to reason instead.

I posted so many benchmarks during this, so many reviews, so many comparisons, all which are pointing against Logan. I'm subscribed to Teksyndicate on youtube and I follow their homepage, I love their videos and I think Logain is hilarious, really one of my favorite reviewers. But when they are doing misleading videos that make people like you turn into people, that won't listen to reason, then I have to act. You could be compared to an Apple fanboy. One that only believes in what Apple says, without listening to the world outside. It's almost a religion to you.

Here is an example: Cake is awesome, I don't why, I can't say why, but it is, my mom say so. Here I make no argumentation, I only believe in one person and rely on that to be true.

I've crossed the line of this post. I've moved out of subject several times which I'm sorry for and now I can finally say that I have shown what is real and what is wrong. I'll stop spamming this page and so should you.

it have been proven many times that Tomshardware, Bit-tech, Techpowerup, Anandtech, etc get paid by big companies (exept AMD of course) to fake the benchmarks. But logan didn't get paid by anyone.
January 24, 2013 9:01:17 AM

successful_troll said:
it have been proven many times that Tomshardware, Bit-tech, Techpowerup, Anandtech, etc get paid by big companies (exept AMD of course) to fake the benchmarks. But logan didn't get paid by anyone.


Did you even read my reply? Again you begin to argument without any data backing up what you say, you simply do just believe you're right without even having a clue.
January 24, 2013 9:24:54 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
Did you even read my reply? Again you begin to argument without any data backing up what you say, you simply do just believe you're right without even having a clue. :cry: 

stop crying, I will buy you a FX 8350 for you breath day, to get a taste of the unlimited power of this cpu.
January 24, 2013 10:14:54 AM

successful_troll said:
stop crying, I will buy you a FX 8350 for you breath day, to get a taste of the unlimited power of this cpu.


I hope you do and I hope you will get so much bottleneck that you will puke.
January 24, 2013 12:10:12 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I hope you do and I hope you will get so much bottleneck that you will puke.

benchmarks say otherwise, and I mean the real benchmarks ;) 

a b À AMD
January 24, 2013 2:04:16 PM

successful_troll said:
it have been proven many times that Tomshardware, Bit-tech, Techpowerup, Anandtech, etc get paid by big companies (exept AMD of course) to fake the benchmarks. But logan didn't get paid by anyone.

How about providing proof of these payments, failure to do so very quickly may result in a permaban.
January 24, 2013 2:10:21 PM

successful_troll said:
benchmarks say otherwise, and I mean the real benchmarks ;) 

Are you freaking serious? Real benchmarks? So you are saying ALL the major tech websites mentioned earlier, ALL of them are wrong? Grow the hell up. Unless a game can use 4+ cores, AMD loses. Period. And even if the game can use four cores, a 3570k still has WAY better performance per core. There's nothing else to it. In addition, AMD uses more electricity and runs hotter.

I don't HATE AMD, I hate people like you. People that whine and insist their CPU is better. Then you show them benchmarks. Nope, it's not good enough for them, those benchmarks are wrong, the company got paid. Yup, that makes sense, intel paid all of the sites. All of them.

AMD makes great video cards, and their latest CPU's are actually pretty decent. But unless you use heavily threaded applications and only play games that use a ton of cores, intel is a better buy.
a b À AMD
January 24, 2013 2:15:05 PM

trogdor796 said:
Are you freaking serious? Real benchmarks? So you are saying ALL the major tech websites mentioned earlier, ALL of them are wrong? Grow the hell up. Unless a game can use 4+ cores, AMD loses. Period. And even if the game can use four cores, a 3570k still has WAY better performance per core. There's nothing else to it. In addition, AMD uses more electricity and runs hotter.

I don't HATE AMD, I hate people like you. People that whine and insist their CPU is better. Then you show them benchmarks. Nope, it's not good enough for them, those benchmarks are wrong, the company got paid. Yup, that makes sense, intel paid all of the sites. All of them.

AMD makes great video cards, and their latest CPU's are actually pretty decent. But unless you use heavily threaded applications and only play games that use a ton of cores, intel is a better buy.

Unless ST answers my question he/she may be banned before they can answer yours, if you get an answer and I don't then... :whistle: 
January 24, 2013 2:16:41 PM

I'm not really expecting an answer. I mean, look at their name...

If I do get one, it won't contain any proof to back up their line of thinking, because there isn't any.
January 24, 2013 8:53:49 PM

successful_troll said:
benchmarks say otherwise, and I mean the real benchmarks ;) 





Stop Trolling!
January 24, 2013 8:54:30 PM

trogdor796 said:
Are you freaking serious? Real benchmarks? So you are saying ALL the major tech websites mentioned earlier, ALL of them are wrong? Grow the hell up. Unless a game can use 4+ cores, AMD loses. Period. And even if the game can use four cores, a 3570k still has WAY better performance per core. There's nothing else to it. In addition, AMD uses more electricity and runs hotter.

I don't HATE AMD, I hate people like you. People that whine and insist their CPU is better. Then you show them benchmarks. Nope, it's not good enough for them, those benchmarks are wrong, the company got paid. Yup, that makes sense, intel paid all of the sites. All of them.

AMD makes great video cards, and their latest CPU's are actually pretty decent. But unless you use heavily threaded applications and only play games that use a ton of cores, intel is a better buy.






Many games use 4 cores!
a b À AMD
January 24, 2013 9:15:07 PM

iplikator3333 said:
Stop Trolling!

Erm, he kind of has done. :ange:  :whistle: 
January 28, 2013 6:53:04 PM

Since you have a 6200, unless your selling or giving it away, you already have an AM3+ motherboard. If that's the case then the upgrade price performance differential is insurmountably in favor of the Am3+ 83xx soltuion over 1155.

I'd suggest an 8320 and a 7870 or 7950, a SSD, and nice cooler.
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