Peltier?

scottchen · Feb 22, 2004

I got a piece of 156watt peltier, for 20 dollars, don't know if it's a good deal, seemed like at the time(was kinda drunk). Now here's the question, how the he*l do i use it? It has a piece of white square, i assume that's the peltier, with a black and red wire sticking out, and a piece of copper. The black and red wire, I guess i could just plug it with my standard 12V from the psu right? Other than that how could i use it in conjunction with my SLK900U? Please help!

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

scottchen · Feb 22, 2004

Anybody has experience with peltier? please HELP!

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

HardWareBoss · Feb 22, 2004

Can't help you with that. Since I'm running air plus nice an quiet

compaired to yours.

error_911 · Feb 22, 2004

dude, make sure its sealed look at the side, can you see through it, like little blocks, or is it.. sealed?!).. you should plug it into a seperate PSU, it'll drain too much out of yours and burn it out.. otherwise, you go CPU->copper plate->peltier->heatsink ... what fan you have again? you'll need something STRONG. Also, you'll need to slea off the CPU socket from condensation... dielectic grease in the socket, neoprene and silicone sealant around and up the sides of the sandwich.. also, some silicone on the back-side of the socket covering the pins

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scottchen · Feb 22, 2004

I think i'll buy a separate 250watt PSU, you know i have the godd@mn 92mm tornado. Dielectric grease i have, are you sure silicone sealant is 100% necessary? I was on Swiftech's site reading their MCX4000-t's installation guide, and the only thing they've mentioned was dielectric grease.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

Crashman · Feb 23, 2004

I love the smell of fried silicon in the morning! Do you know what happens to a Peltier when it fails? It turns into a hotplate, a giant resistor that heats BOTH sides! They can easily burn the core out of your CPU and melt the socket underneath! w00t!

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HardWareBoss · Feb 23, 2004

I like the smell of Naplam and Foogas first thing in the morning.

error_911 · Feb 23, 2004

oh yeah the tornado ... man, i got my pinky finger caught in mine yesterday tore a chunk of finger off, its still [-peep-] swollen and nasty... but yeah you NEEED sealant, its a must, though on the back you can get spray, not gel (a lil easier i guess)

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scottchen · Feb 23, 2004

Crashman you're scaring me, I know about condensation which might short circuit, and I know if it fails it becomes an insulator, but doesn't P4 automatically shut down if it gets too hot?

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

pIII_Man · Feb 23, 2004

lol the peltier does not and thats the problem...

but honestly i have yet to hear someone have a peltier death...but then again i have never heard someone use a non poted peltier on their cpu...as u seem to be describing...

scott...save your money for beer a 150w peltier probably wont take you much below ambient even with the tornado...

If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
110% BX fanboyEdited by pIII_Man on 02/23/04 04:48 PM.

scottchen · Feb 24, 2004

226watt?

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

Crashman · Feb 24, 2004

LOL, it doesn't become an insulator, it becomes a resistor. And because it's on a different power supply, even after your CPU shuts off the Peltier continues burning

. I knew a guy with a PIII 500E at 1000MHz using a peltier for a while, until it burned up his board, processor, etc. It did all that in less time than it took him to figure out what was happening. And the 500E also had thermal protection.

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scottchen · Feb 24, 2004

Ok you scared me enough, that's it returning the peltier.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

pIII_Man · Feb 24, 2004

for the record thats the first time i have heard that happen...

Anyhow...a 226w peltier will yeild higher cpu temps because air cooling will not be able to efficiently radiate 226+100w of heat...

Cooling a peltier with air is quite ghetto.

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ytoledano · Feb 24, 2004

I was thinking about going peltier but cooling isn't what's holding me back now, and either I'd have to get water cooling or modify an HSF.

I have a question for the others: why condensation is so bad? Water which comes from vapor is pure H2O and doesn't conduct at all (used as a resistor in car batteries) until it gets mixed with some kind of solvent. I heard that you need to put silicon right on the socket, is that true? And also, what other precautions do you need to take underneath the board and near the socket?
Is living in a moist environment really bad too?

POST is way overrated, the black screen and beeps should be enough for most people.

scottchen · Feb 24, 2004

If you have your computer in your bathroom, i'm sure it's bad. I'm just afraid of short circuit caused by condensation. You'll need some dielectric grease in the socket, and according to swiftech, that's all you need to be safe with their TEC products. But then again their Peltiers are insulated nicely ours aren't.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.276G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 4x256 4000EL memory @ 252mhz 2.5-3-4-6 -XFX 5900 128meg 570/1040 -SB audigy -2x120G Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU

pIII_Man · Feb 24, 2004

Corrosion...

If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
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Crashman · Feb 25, 2004

Hehe, I have an idea for you. I was actually going to write an article on it, but can't seem to get the parts donated.

How about chilled water cooling? 4 small peltiers could cool a water tank and add enough redundancy so that if one failed, the rest would keep the system cool enough to avoid damage until you disconnected it (and later replaced it).

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pIII_Man · Feb 25, 2004

inefficient!

Even if i donated parts you probably wouldnt make your next payment to your electric company!

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Crashman · Feb 25, 2004

LOL, how did YOU know about the electric company?

Anyway, what's so inefficient? You add a pump, sure. But liquid cooling the hot side of the peltier in a standard arangement also does that. So basically what you get is the same power consumption. So you might say "but you'll never get your water down to -50C!". Of course that doesn't take the fact that TEC temp is variable in a traditional settup into account. It would maintain the low temp of maybe -35C, using water (with antifreeze) as a buffer!

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Ned_Flanders · Mar 1, 2004

ur an idiot, and i want you to die. we all know the ONLY way to cool your pc is to install antigravity

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