Avoid Asus for OverClocking...

[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

Well, GreatApe was right about smard doc in some ways, but i removed it and the cards limit is 396/720ish despite its cooling features. Smart doc cuased my board or some conflict with the mb and locked up my computer constantly, removed it and it works fine, gay. I'm thinking of returning the board, I'd rather pay restocking fee at newegg and go with a Saphire 9800P 256 or 128 and put on and aftermarket cooler. Any suggestions on good coolers (maybe just leave stock one on and put on ramsinks?)? Any good boards or are saphire and BBY ATI pretty much the best for oc?

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[scottchen]

If I were you I'd go with a 128mb 9800pro, about 200 bucks, it'll definently hold out 'til R420/NV40's prices become acceptable, then upgrade to one of those.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[Johanthegnarler]

Stay 9800pro with 128mb of memory. You could always buy the giant2 cooler and slap it on there.. i bought mine for 15 bucks, but it sucks if you want to oc the memory on your card.


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[scottchen]

Giant 2 isn't that great, i'd rather go with a VGA Silencer with it on full, and some low profile ramsinks, just to be safe.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[mopeygoth]

2nd that...

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[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

I just don't get it, I can't get my board past 400/720 even if i max my AGP volts to 1.8, it has artifacts, little white dots all over the screen, ARRGGGG!!!!! I need some one to walk me through different steps on getting better oc!!!!! cause either i'm doing something wrong or i jsut have horrible luck and get all the chips that don't oc....i use rage 3d for oc, i've tryed raising agp volt to max(1.8), what else is there to try?????

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[mopeygoth]

I know it's frustrating I to my idyllic 400/315. You should really get the "Arctic Vga Silencer" it goes for about 20€ over here and get some ramsinks too. Also make sure you have an adequate amount of casefans for proper airflow. Furthermore; unmount any "slot-blockers(plates)" unused. Turn off fastwrites.

Viel Glück!

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[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

Well, its not the cooling, the Asus board has better cooling than any other stock board (except the arctic cooler) out there, dual fans, I have 5 case fans, 2 ps fans, 2 vid fans, CPU & Nbridge chipset fan in my case, so i have lots of fans, lol. I don't see how you guies can get them so high, is it the luck of the draw for 3d chips??? I also have a Saphire board(stock cooler) on a Athlon XP 1900 system, it didn't oc any better than my asus 9800P, I just don't get it...

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[mopeygoth]

hehe.. fans are good for you!

dude.. for real; check it out <A HREF="http://www.arctic-cooling.com/en/products/vga_silencer/" target="_new">http://www.arctic-cooling.com/en/products/vga_silencer/</A>

Asus might not be better... it might just look better But for now you could try to add ramsinks and remove the stockcooler, clean off the paste and add some proper paste; it often helps.. If not, I would consider another hsf

A last thing.. you are not running 6xFSAA and 16xANISO, are you? it really really stresses the board, just another thought

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[scottchen]

I'm sure his temps aren't the problem.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

Based on the link mope posted and my thermal sensors, my Asus card is running just as cool as the arctic cooler, the GPU only runs 58c under heave load(Halo on max). I didn't say the card was running slow either, I just said I couldn't oc it past 396/360 without being completely artifact free. I'm guessing that it might have something to do with some of the onboard chips that don't like being OCed. But that does not explain why my other Saphire 9800Pro doesn't oc much better than the Asus board.....humm...

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[scottchen]

I think the reason is...

YOU SUCK AT LIFE!!!

JK,

Honestly, I think it's your board, the capacitors could be bad on the Asus board. If you can get any other P4 board, that supports your CPU/ram, then i think you should try it out. It may just be your mobo's fault.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[mopeygoth]

You "have" locked agp/pci speeds, right? I don't know about bad mobo, I mean p4C800-Deluxe, bad? Try slapping the card into a friend's computer and see how it goes on his/her board. Make sure you have at least two ports free under the agp slot. Try disabling onboard sound.. try

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[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

What does the motherboard have to do with ocing the GPU on the vid card??? I could see how they could limit my CPU to 3.1GHz from 2.6, but I don't see how the mb could limit the GPU on the bard(other than obviosly chipset and board performance). I have a Asus A7V333 on an athlon system, should i try it in there???


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[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

I don't use Onboard sound, I use the faithful Aduigy 1. I have 3 open PCI under the graphics card. I have my system oced from 2.6 to 3.1(240mhz fsb, 1.6vcore, ram 2.7v, APG 1.5v(tryed uping volts but didn't help), 66/33 agp pci frequencys). Maybe scott is right, just might be asus stuff not too great for "extreme" oc, but that doesn't quite make since because the record oc on toms hard ware, the 5.25 GHz P4 was an Asus P4C800, lol.

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[mopeygoth]

heh.. right, that video was great . Try putting your card in the other machine for starters. Scotts point about the motherboard was just for troubleshooting purpose, chill dude

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[scottchen]

Asus boards tends to have trouble with capacitors, maybe some of them are defective on your board. Asus boards handles the CPU voltage great, since they LOVE to overvolt, I don't know, maybe the mobo just isn't pumping enough power to the AGP slot, BTW what PSU you got? and what amp is the 12V rated.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

Antec True 380 ps. On the reviews on toms it was able to put out 16«ove it rated max power. 5v=35A, 12v=18A, 3.3v=28A. I'm thinking of sending the baord in to Newegg, i still have 17 days left to return it. Any suggestions ast to good ocing boards(my saphire card in my athlon system oc's to 412/700 with stock cooling, could go higher on ram but no sinks)???

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[addiarmadar]

I take it that you never actually touched the HSF on your radeon right? That piece of shizzel get EXTREMELY hot and can burn your fingers operating at 80c. Get the VGA silencer with AS5 and it will drop your GPU temps down by half. I got a 9800pro to go to 455/735 without any artifacts or crashes. That RAM could go higher but I didnt put any sinks on the RAM. I got up to 476 but it wasnt stable after an hour or so and had to drop down to 455. Id bet the card could do more and break 500 but would need to voltmod the card.

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[scottchen]

I had an Abit IC7 Max3 which hit 300FSB with latest bios. BTW, did i forget to mention it can pump 3.2Vcore? HEHE, however only 1.65VAGP max. You may want to take a look at Epox boards, i think they offer 3.3Vdimm, 2.0VAGP, 2.2Vcore, and i think a max of 1.8 on Vchipset. And it could hit 270FSB without any trouble. I'm sure if you pump 1.8Vchipset through it you could get more FSB.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

um...that's not the problem, my AGP volts go to 1.8, my cpu volts go to 1.9...Yes i put my hand on the card, it is warm, but not even close to being hot, plus the temp prob on the vid card says the GPU is at 58c and ram 47c. I think it just may be the Asus boards, I'm going to send it it. I would appreciate any suggestions on GRAPHICS boards, not mother boards, lol. Yes I also under stand that some other companies mb oc better than Asus, but I'm not looking for extreme oc on it as i'm still using a stock cooler. Maybe on my next computer i will try another company.

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[CaPtAiN_InSaNo]

What would you consider to be an artifact?? I can get my card to oc, but it has little wite dots, like white dust particles that appear on the gun in halo. I don't believe that any other games, expect 3dmark2003 experience graphical glitches like that.

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[scottchen]

I would consider that either voltage/temp problem. Since it's not temp, then it's volt. The reason why I was suggesting a different brand of board, is because Asus does have capacitor trouble. So you could try the Abit IC7 max 3. Don't know if that'll help, but it maybe worth a try.

I hate my TI4200.

 

[Johanthegnarler]

Yea.. i didn't say it was great. The fact that you can't put ramsinks on basically makes it a useless heatsink.
It was at a local shop and i'm an impulse buyer.

It's good for the core.. just [-peep-] for the memory.

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I answered this in your other post, but try removing SamrtDocto, as that has stopped alot of people from getting good overclocks at other sites. Even the reviewers weren't getting past near stock speeds until they disabled the smartdoc.


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