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A Grandmother is the First to Get Super Wi-Fi

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April 22, 2011 3:14:24 PM

I hope she never runs into bandwidth caps.
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April 22, 2011 3:20:02 PM

That's a lot of bandwidth that the FCC just allocated - let's hope it does some good!
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April 22, 2011 3:20:45 PM

virtualbanI hope she never runs into bandwidth caps.


Well, i think the super wifi is community based. So..... its not just her you should be worried about bandwidth caps for.
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April 22, 2011 3:22:57 PM

grandma can now watch unlimited amount of porn???
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April 22, 2011 3:31:15 PM

In other news, lawmakers funded by Telecomm interests have introduced legislation to make super wi-fi illegal, saying that the increased availability of internet and potential carrier choice infringes on the telecomm industry's monopoly...
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April 22, 2011 3:35:41 PM

We've had something similar to this where I live in Marshall, TX. Unfortunately it's a local owned business, and the person who runs it charges far too much to make it reasonable for anyone who doesn't live outside of traditional broadband's distribution area to be worth while. It basically uses a directional antenna on the ~900Mhz range. The price here would be one thing if he were offering reasonably fast speeds, but its almost $80 for 1-1.5mbps
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April 22, 2011 3:46:17 PM

The cable companies are gonna be po'd about this.

High speed internet without a wire?

HOGWASH!
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April 22, 2011 3:47:47 PM

There has got to be a lot of hostility about this technology from other companies.

Example: If I had this available in my neighborhood I would NOT be paying $100 a month for Cable TV and internet to Charter. Charter would then either lose me as a customer or have to lower thier prices to compete.

Also, My phone can recieve WiFi. Why would I need a data plan if a WiFi signal was measured in miles? I currently don't have and don't want a data plan. I just connect to WiFi hotspots (at coffee shops, home and work for example). Hotspots are seem to be everywhere but now with WiFi soon to be more litterally almost everywhere I will never need a data plan and some day other people might realize they can just use a WiFi connection instead of paying for a data plan.
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April 22, 2011 3:49:40 PM

I understand the reasoning behind multi-hop connections, but this is just getting to the point of ridiculousness. Most people have 2 telecom providers running fiber optic cable underneath their streets, but people can't get or can't afford internet because of waste caused by having to run 2 fiber optic lines instead of one, the price gouging attitude of these telecom firms, and the stupidity of the american gov't to not treat data communication like a semi-monopolistic public utility like energy.
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April 22, 2011 4:21:50 PM

First off, 10Mbps is not enough for a shared connection. 10 users and you're down to 3G speeds, 100 users and we're talking ISDN. I think you get the picture.

Second, shared WiFi, is it secure? I mean, I'm not that familiar with WiFi security standards, but even if data on the network is encrypted with, say, WPA or WEP, isn't all that data encrypted with the same key? I.e. you can put a password on your WiFi to keep your neighbors from sniffing your traffic, but anyone with that password has the access they need. Therefore, if I'm sharing WiFi with my neighbors, couldn't they be sniffing out all my traffic? And if you think that's paranoid, you think a technologically savvy neighbor who weeds through your garbage and watches the whole neighborhood with binoculars are takes pictures of you in your house wouldn't also sniff your internet traffic if they could? If you have an unsecured WiFi network, who says they aren't already?

Unless there is point-to-point security (e.g. encryption between WiFi station and individual WiFi receivers) I wouldn't trust this. Of course, this makes me wonder what kind of security cable internet employs. Could my neighbor be sniffing my cable internet traffic, since that's also a shared resource?
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April 22, 2011 4:41:10 PM

Grammy's got some supper surin' to do...
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April 22, 2011 4:52:03 PM

dark_lord69There has got to be a lot of hostility about this technology from other companies. Example: If I had this available in my neighborhood I would NOT be paying $100 a month for Cable TV and internet to Charter. Charter would then either lose me as a customer or have to lower thier prices to compete. Also, My phone can recieve WiFi. Why would I need a data plan if a WiFi signal was measured in miles? I currently don't have and don't want a data plan. I just connect to WiFi hotspots (at coffee shops, home and work for example). Hotspots are seem to be everywhere but now with WiFi soon to be more litterally almost everywhere I will never need a data plan and some day other people might realize they can just use a WiFi connection instead of paying for a data plan.


Most smartphone plans require you to have a data plan, even if you don't want one.
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April 22, 2011 4:52:20 PM

i have a doubt, normal wifi antennas locate transmissions at 2.4ghz so how will it see this wifi at 900mhz ??? can some one explain please
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April 22, 2011 5:24:15 PM

batman4ui have a doubt, normal wifi antennas locate transmissions at 2.4ghz so how will it see this wifi at 900mhz ??? can some one explain please


The massive benefit to the spectrum between 50MHz and 700MHz over the currently used 2.4GHz is that the lower frequencies travel better through walls and for further distances. Instead of measuring your router's range in feet, Super Wi-Fi routers will be able to reach for miles. Range is the main benefit, as initial speeds will be at 15Mbps to 20Mbps
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April 22, 2011 5:32:17 PM

yeah i understand everything of that, but brands make wificards that tune to only 2.4ghz range and if i tune the wifi broadcaster to 900 example, my linksys wifi pci card will not see it unless i modify it... well and i saw the granny using a normal IPAD and thats a normal 2.4ghz how in the hell can a 900mhz wifi signal .... ahh i dont get its like eharing AM on FM band
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April 22, 2011 5:33:52 PM

theJMost smartphone plans require you to have a data plan, even if you don't want one.


thankfully i found a way to get out of mine when i had to go on a tighter budget. but with the crappy smart phone i have it would not be worth it to get another data plan till i get a new phone
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April 22, 2011 5:39:53 PM

captaincharismathankfully i found a way to get out of mine when i had to go on a tighter budget. but with the crappy smart phone i have it would not be worth it to get another data plan till i get a new phone


i dont know if where you live is the same but here in mexico data plans are almost 100dlls a month with including minutes, so i got a prepaid card and edited the APN so it will think its a USB 3G prepaid (for PCs) card and gives me 15day prepaid data plans that cost only 8dlls for 500mb and i dont spend over 40 dlls a month with minutes included
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April 22, 2011 5:42:58 PM

You know she is going to use it for porn

and doesnt grandmother make you think of an lady over 60 not 48?
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April 22, 2011 5:52:46 PM

Hellwig has a point about wifi being secure.

Anything that goes thru the air is up for grabs to anyone that has the know how and the patience...
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April 22, 2011 7:17:50 PM

48, and a grandmother? Are we living in the 1st or 21st century?

More to the point. Too bad super Wifi is only available in the USA... it's gonna take some time to get it in the UK, I would love to access my WiFi from the hill close to my house.

Also how will this new WiFi interfere with the antena cable that connects set-top boxes to old TV's? I know they're shielded but they aren't of good quality (I still get interference).
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April 22, 2011 8:40:40 PM

48 isn't that unusual for being a grandmother. My mother's first grandchild was born when she was 45, and her mother had one by the age of 38. Remember, people used to get married young(18-19).

On topic, This would be great for my mother's house as well, it's older and has a lot of tile with steel mesh in the walls and her wifi signal barely makes it 20ft from her router in some rooms.
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April 22, 2011 10:15:25 PM

Parsiangrandma can now watch unlimited amount of porn???


Granny, get your...porn. :D 
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Anonymous
April 22, 2011 10:15:54 PM

This is not the first residential installation of Super Wi-Fi. Spectrum Bridge has had deployments in four US communities for the last year and a half. Carlson Wireless deployed Super Wi-Fi to the Yurok reservation in February 2011, with four more community deployments in the works throughout the US.

A company called Nuel in the UK announced plans for deployment today.

The Super Wi-Fi Summit in Orlando a couple of months ago had plenty of info on the technology.
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April 22, 2011 10:22:27 PM

"Are we living in the 1st or 21st century?"
Probably a little of column A and a little of column B....

As for super wi-fi. Yet another signal my wife can tinfoil hat over....
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April 22, 2011 10:34:43 PM

hellwigSecond, shared WiFi, is it secure? I mean, I'm not that familiar with WiFi security standards, but even if data on the network is encrypted with, say, WPA or WEP, isn't all that data encrypted with the same key? I.e. you can put a password on your WiFi to keep your neighbors from sniffing your traffic, but anyone with that password has the access they need. Therefore, if I'm sharing WiFi with my neighbors, couldn't they be sniffing out all my traffic? And if you think that's paranoid, you think a technologically savvy neighbor who weeds through your garbage and watches the whole neighborhood with binoculars are takes pictures of you in your house wouldn't also sniff your internet traffic if they could? If you have an unsecured WiFi network, who says they aren't already?Unless there is point-to-point security (e.g. encryption between WiFi station and individual WiFi receivers) I wouldn't trust this. Of course, this makes me wonder what kind of security cable internet employs. Could my neighbor be sniffing my cable internet traffic, since that's also a shared resource?

Depends if it's WPA Enterprise or not. WPA Enterprise lets you have multiple authenticated users with different logins.
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April 22, 2011 11:32:43 PM

hellwigSecond, shared WiFi, is it secure? I mean, I'm not that familiar with WiFi security standards, but even if data on the network is encrypted with, say, WPA or WEP, isn't all that data encrypted with the same key?


No, that is not the case with WPA. The PSK that is stored in the router is only used for handshaking purposes (and to exchange the private keys that will be used during the transmissions) so technically every user has a different set of private keys.

Check out the section on PTK and GTK

http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/2263...

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April 22, 2011 11:37:02 PM

I wish I could just grab one of those Super wi-fi fixtures and use it for personal use, then I could go to the park near my house and work from there on my laptop/phone.

Much better than sitting inside a room.
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April 23, 2011 3:13:16 AM

If you ever tried to get a TV station through an Antenna, then you should know the main dilemma of Super Wifi. I am sure many internet providers will try and get a piece of that spectrum to offer city-wide wifi. However, with the speeds of current wifi in a home, I don't think it will be a fool-proof method opposed to running fiber optics wire.

This is what the FCC was designed to do. Make sure the RF spectrum is allocated properly. Chances are the common household will not be able to setup a Super Wifi device. It will have to be through a carrier.
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April 23, 2011 7:10:49 AM

batman4uyeah i understand everything of that, but brands make wificards that tune to only 2.4ghz range and if i tune the wifi broadcaster to 900 example, my linksys wifi pci card will not see it unless i modify it... well and i saw the granny using a normal IPAD and thats a normal 2.4ghz how in the hell can a 900mhz wifi signal .... ahh i dont get its like eharing AM on FM band


I am wondering the something!

I think would need to get out new WiFi card that can talk on the lower frequencies, as well as the higher ones. Like they are doing with the WiFi 5GHz band. You need a WiFi card that supports the 5GHz frequency.

From that Youtube video warmon6 posted, It sounded like, all they did was put there "super WiFi hotspot" at there mission building (I am guessing on there university campus somewhere) and put a super WiFi device at granny's home, to access this, then the super WiFi device plugs in to the wireless router (I am guessing with the WAN port and the wireless router with it's 2.4Ghz wifi talks to the wireless devices. it to the rest of the house. Ummm, any smart phone can do this. take the 3G or 4G signal then act as a router and rebroadcast to the WiFi frequency. All they are doing is using a 50-700MHz frequency and there own internet, instead of the 3G or 4G and a cellphone companies internet.

I think I must be missing something.
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April 23, 2011 9:06:05 AM

Super WIFI is quite promising, soon I'm sure everyone wants wireless connection to the internet.
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April 23, 2011 4:33:55 PM

you need only 1 Super WiFi router to connect the whole Vatican City. The chief won't be happy with his bandwidth though.
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April 23, 2011 5:47:11 PM

No word of EM radiationing poisoning for having a such powerful transmitter....
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April 24, 2011 6:53:43 PM

I too am confused as to how any regular ol' 2.4GHz WiFi device can connect to a new UHF based "Super WiFi" system. Will all the old devices have a firmware update and antenna kit become available or something?
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April 24, 2011 10:16:54 PM

EM radiation is greater importance under lower frequency bandwidths, the lower the frequency the higher its wavelength and this has to be a very strong wave to let it travel a further distance than a higher frequency signal, since the wavelenght is a huge mama, it doesnt deflect so easily from solid mass, and thus it can harm the cells that make our own tissue and thats why they become harmful

i appologize for my bad english
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April 25, 2011 1:44:27 AM

wildwellI too am confused as to how any regular ol' 2.4GHz WiFi device can connect to a new UHF based "Super WiFi" system. Will all the old devices have a firmware update and antenna kit become available or something?


Each device will not receive the 900mhz signal, one device will receive it at your home you can then hook a personal router up to this and transmit a personal WLAN.
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April 25, 2011 2:42:35 AM

DM0407Each device will not receive the 900mhz signal, one device will receive it at your home you can then hook a personal router up to this and transmit a personal WLAN.


then its just a new stupid way to have an ISP, thats not free!!!! hell here a friend has a microwave based internet, its stupid to make it a groundbreaking newa
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April 25, 2011 4:37:13 PM

"Grandma? Can we have our lan party at your house on saturday?"

"Piss off, I'm chatting with my BFF Rose."
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April 25, 2011 6:37:07 PM

batman4uthen its just a new stupid way to have an ISP, thats not free!!!! hell here a friend has a microwave based internet, its stupid to make it a groundbreaking newa



This is kind of like fixed wireless, I used to have it a while back when I was living in a 'dead zone' for internet. No comcast, no DSL, but I was on the edge of a major city in Silicon valley. Go figure.

Internet is never free, someone someplace has to pay the bills.

Basically, they seem to apply the same ideas on Wifi to a frequency that can go further. Its not something you can use your existing wifi Dongle to get internet anywhere. You would need a new wifi card, maybe a different antenna as well.
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April 26, 2011 12:52:15 AM

Wouldn't it be hilarious if they set it up with WEP security? :D 
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April 27, 2011 4:38:25 PM

I waana get a taste of that Super WIFI thing 'cause I'm stuck here in the middle of nowhere with a wireless internet connection of a measly 153.6Kbps. Use it wisely grandma.
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