Strange overclocking results

[Baxter]

I have tryed everything to get my cards core clocked past 430mhz and its an r360 core, but the strange thing is my vga silencer isnt even that warm i have tryed everything like upping the agp voltage and have flashed my 9800pro to an XT bios but i still cant get it past this without getting artifacts in 3dmark 03!!

Any help would be appreciated

Athlon XP 2800+, ASUS A7N8X-X, 512mb PC2700 DDR
128mb ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (430/385)
3D Mark03 Score <font color=red>6,316</font color=red>

 

[etp777]

Use a straight edge to confirmt hat the VGA silencer is actually making contact with the core(often on these the shim is too thick). If it isn't, remove the shim, CAREFULLY. Instructions on rage3d.com's forums

Lap mating surface on VGA silencer. These have been coming in noticably rough(machining marks), and will make a noticable difference.

Reseat it after all this with good thermal paste, again, making very sure that it's actually in contact with the core.

That's just my suspicion, due to fact you say it's not even very warm.

If you have to, could also try a volt mod, but haven't tried that myself.

 

[scottchen]

Put a thick thick layer of Arctic Ceramique or Alumina, NO SILVER! then just install it properly, like ept mentioned, make sure it's making contact.

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[addiarmadar]

You maybe not making enough contact to the core with that HSF. Reinstall it and make sure you use the proper amount of compound paste. Make sure you also tighten those screws good enough and that HSF should not wiggle or move at all.

Also up the AGP voltage to no more than 1.7 but that may not work either.

Artifacting from 3dmark03 when OCing seems to be a common problem.. Try aquamark3 or the ATI tool. Hell if your games dont snow or artifact then to hell wat 3dmark03 displays. I have been running into this problem too but the only difference is that my vga silencer is VERY HOT.

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[addiarmadar]

Why cant you use artic silver?

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[scottchen]

I just don't like conductive material on my video card. Which is why I used Arctic Alumina epoxy for ramsinks, and Arctic Ceramique for the core.

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[Baxter]

How much paste should i apply to the core i have only put a very thin layer of it onto it and i only have the artic cooling silicon heatsink compound which came with it.

Athlon XP 2800+, ASUS A7N8X-X, 512mb PC2700 DDR
128mb ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (430/385)
3D Mark03 Score <font color=red>6,316</font color=red>

 

[addiarmadar]

Would the alluminum and ceramic compounds give less performance? The GPU is no different than a CPU so why the concern for using a conductive material?

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[scottchen]

Ceramique's better than AS3, same perform as AS5 maybe a little worse but not noticable. Alumina is a bit worse but on ramsinks you only use a very thin layer so maximum difference 2-3C.

The Nvidia GPU's just like Intel P4 or Athlon64 chips, has a protective cover, then you can use silver, i just don't like silver stuff, near the bridges, and circuits. AMD chips and ATI cards, doesn't have a protective cover, so it's all exposed, although i admit the chance of conducting is small, but why take the risk on a $200+ card?

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[addiarmadar]

AMD chips aint that bad but I can see your concern with the ATI chips. Good thing the chip faces down and not up or sideways so only a tard that puts WAY too much compund would hit the cashes and circuitry.

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[scottchen]

AMD doesn't like people using AS3 on their chips.

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[Baxter]

How much of the thermal silicon compound should i put on my core??

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[scottchen]

A thick layer, make sure when you're looking at the card at standing level, you can see that the compound is at a higher level than the shim.

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[Baxter]

is the shim the bit of metal surronding the core?

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[scottchen]

yup

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[etp777]

That's a rather poor solution. If the shim is higher than the gpu, rather than using a huge layer of thermal paste, which is never as efficient as actual HS to gpu contact, pry that shim off and get it out of the way. You want the thinnest layer of thermal compound humanly possible that will still allow full mating of gpu core to HS.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

Read that for proper directions on use of thermal comopound. And before you start whining, I know you're not using AS5. Doesn't change how thermal compounds are used.

 

[Baxter]

Sorry to sound stupid but could u please explain how to get the shim off??

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[scottchen]

You know that's physical dammage right? good bye to your chances to claim your warranty.

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[Baxter]

Id rather risk it to get better ocing results

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[etp777]

Considering he's already removed the HSF, it's rather unlikely he has a warranty left anyways.

and if you actually go back and read my first post, very first response, I tell where to find instructions on removing the shim.

 

[scottchen]

ept777, if you actually get updated on the news a little bit, you'll know why i'm complaining, since Arctic Silver VOIDS AMD's warranty!

Link <A HREF="http://www.xtremetek.com/info/index.php?id=14" target="_new">here</A>

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[etp777]

That's nice, but we're not talkinga bout AMD are we, this is the 3d chips forum, and we're discussing a video card.

 

[scottchen]

Video card is actually a bigger risk.

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[etp777]

Doesn't change the fact that using a thick layer of grease to get over the shim as you said, rather than removing the shim so he actually gets contact, and uses thinnest layer of thermal compound possible, is foolish. you want the thinnest amount of thermal compound possible, just the very minimum needed to make up for fact that heatsink and gpu aren't perfectly flat.

And if you actually read what I said, never told him to use AS5. I used tha tpersonally, but figure that's up to each person what to use. Gave him link to directions from arctic silverse page because he asked how much paste to use, and I'd rather he used it correctly, as detaailed on that page, rather than following your suggestion and putting a big thick layer on there.