contracts with NE2-Family Share

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If I sign a new contract for my primary line, to take advantage of NE2,
will I also be required at that point to sign a new contract for the
secondary line? I might want to buy a phone for the secondary, but not
the same day as I do the primary. My concern is that if I have to sign
a contract the day I get the new phone for the primary, I'll either
have to buy the phone for the secondary at the same time to get promo
pricing, or else be stuck paying list for it if I buy the scond phone
at a later date.

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:29:03 GMT, Garner Miller <garner@netstreet.net>
wrote:

>In article <1118609495.161347.259310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>momcat_one <momcat_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If I sign a new contract for my primary line, to take advantage of NE2,
>> will I also be required at that point to sign a new contract for the
>> secondary line?
>
>I just did that, and no, I wasn't required to sign another contract for
>the secondary line, since I wasn't getting a discounted phone at the
>time. (In our case, we added the family plan a few months later, so
>the second phone isn't eligible to be replaced on the same schedule
>anyway.)
>
>In my case, I renewed in March (I believe it was), but the contract on
>the secondary line still ends in September. We'll probably go ahead
>and renew that one when it's eligible for subsidized phone, since my
>wife is sick of her T730.

That is correct. Had you upgraded the primary phone at a promotional
price all the family line phones would be included in the new contract
start date.

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:54:03 -0700, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>TeddeLI wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:29:03 GMT, Garner Miller
>> <garner@netstreet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <1118609495.161347.259310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> momcat_one <momcat_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I sign a new contract for my primary line, to take
>>>> advantage of NE2, will I also be required at that point
>>>> to sign a new contract for the secondary line?
>>>
>>> I just did that, and no, I wasn't required to sign
>>> another contract for the secondary line, since I wasn't
>>> getting a discounted phone at the time. (In our case,
>>> we added the family plan a few months later, so the
>>> second phone isn't eligible to be replaced on the same
>>> schedule anyway.)
>>>
>>> In my case, I renewed in March (I believe it was), but
>>> the contract on the secondary line still ends in
>>> September. We'll probably go ahead and renew that one
>>> when it's eligible for subsidized phone, since my wife
>>> is sick of her T730.
>>
>> That is correct. Had you upgraded the primary phone at a
>> promotional price all the family line phones would be
>> included in the new contract start date.
>
>Errr, this is a pretty confusing statement. What do you mean
>by "all the family line phones would be included in the new
>contract start date'? ..."start date"?
>
>Each line (whether it is in a family share or not) is considered
>as a separate "contract". Easiest way to think about it is this:
>
>Every line is separate for purposes of contract start/end dates
>and equipment upgrades.
>
>You can get a lower monthly fee and share a pool of minutes
>by grouping lines together under a Familyshare.
>
>Assuming you do not change plans it would be possible to
>have the primary line on month-to-month (after the original
>contract end date) and one of the secondary line under a
>2 year contract due to a recent equipment upgrade.
>
>-Quick
>
Yes it is possible to have different contract dates for all of your
phones but not if you upgrade your primary line at a promotional
price.

If you upgrade the primary phone for a promotional price on a family
share plan you must sign a new contract with a new starting date. Your
secondary lines are included and now are under contract even if they
were month to month before.

If you upgrade your primary line at a regular price it affects
nothing.

If you uprade a secondary line at a promotional price you must sign a
new contract but only that phone is affected not all of them.

The above does not affect the dates you are eligible to upgrade each
phone for a promotional price . They remain the same regardless of
what you do with your plans.

This is what I have been told on several occasions by Verizon.

I have never upgraded my wife's Motorola 270c. She loves it and will
not give it up. Even though it has never been upgraded and is still
eligible for a promotional price discount, it is under contract
because I upgraded the primary phone a year ago.

This might be different in other markets. I am in the NYC area.

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I find the replies tomomcat_one's question are somewhat confusing and don't
fully answer the question.

When you take advantage of NE2, you will have to sign a new two year
contract. That's a condition of NE2. You *are* taking advantage of a
promotion, the promotion being New Every Two. If you have a family plan,
then the contract is extended for all the secondary lines as well. However,
the end date of contracts and the date you can buy a contract-price phone
are two different things.

So, if you take advantage of NE2 now, you will extend the contract of the
secondary line BUT you can still buy a new phone for the secondary line at
the subsidized price when it is eligible. It is eligible 10 months after
you last bought a phone for that line (at subsidized price) if it is on a
one-year contract and 22 months after the last phone was bought if on a
two-year contract. When you do decide to buy a phone for the secondary
line, it is going to extend the contract for all phones on the family plan
again -- if you take advantage of a promotion. And again, buying a phone at
subsidized price or with NE2 is taking advantage of a promotion.

At least that's the way it is in the Northeast region.

Ileen

"momcat_one" <momcat_one@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118609495.161347.259310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> If I sign a new contract for my primary line, to take advantage of NE2,
> will I also be required at that point to sign a new contract for the
> secondary line? I might want to buy a phone for the secondary, but not
> the same day as I do the primary. My concern is that if I have to sign
> a contract the day I get the new phone for the primary, I'll either
> have to buy the phone for the secondary at the same time to get promo
> pricing, or else be stuck paying list for it if I buy the scond phone
> at a later date.
>

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"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote

> What? Where did you get your information?
>
> -Quick

What? What I just said.

Where did I get my info? That's the way it was explained to me and done on
my account when I used NE2 for the first time two years ago. I'm curious as
to which part of what I wrote seems "off" to you, Quick...

I'll be doing NE2 again in about a month. Based on what I've been told I
believe I'll have to change plans because a) the one I'm on isn't current
and b) I have to sign a new two-year to get NE2. Are you saying that when I
sign the new two-year agreement it should only be for my primary line and
not the two secondary lines on my family share? Would the secondary phones
be "orphans" on their own plan according to your information? I'd
appreciate any advice.

Ileen

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Ileen wrote:
> "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote
>
>> What? Where did you get your information?
>>
>> -Quick
>
> What? What I just said.
>
> Where did I get my info? That's the way it was explained
> to me and done on my account when I used NE2 for the
> first time two years ago. I'm curious as to which part
> of what I wrote seems "off" to you, Quick...
>
> I'll be doing NE2 again in about a month. Based on what
> I've been told I believe I'll have to change plans
> because a) the one I'm on isn't current and b) I have to
> sign a new two-year to get NE2. Are you saying that when
> I sign the new two-year agreement it should only be for
> my primary line and not the two secondary lines on my
> family share? Would the secondary phones be "orphans" on
> their own plan according to your information? I'd
> appreciate any advice.

My expectation is that you are not changing plans. You are
simply extending the contract/commitment termination date
for that line. Are you dealing with CS or a store of some sort?

-Quick

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TeddeLI wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:17:31 -0700, "Quick"
> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ileen wrote:
>>> "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> What? Where did you get your information?
>>>>
>>>> -Quick
>>>
>>> What? What I just said.
>>>
>>> Where did I get my info? That's the way it was
>>> explained to me and done on my account when I used NE2
>>> for the first time two years ago. I'm curious as to
>>> which part of what I wrote seems "off" to you, Quick...
>>>
>>> I'll be doing NE2 again in about a month. Based on what
>>> I've been told I believe I'll have to change plans
>>> because a) the one I'm on isn't current and b) I have to
>>> sign a new two-year to get NE2. Are you saying that
>>> when I sign the new two-year agreement it should only
>>> be for my primary line and not the two secondary lines
>>> on my family share? Would the secondary phones be
>>> "orphans" on their own plan according to your
>>> information? I'd appreciate any advice.
>>
>> My expectation is that you are not changing plans. You
>> are simply extending the contract/commitment
>> termination date
>> for that line. Are you dealing with CS or a store of
>> some sort?
>>
>> -Quick
>>
> After reading Ilene's post I called CS for verification.
> It seems that if you upgrade ANY phone on a family share
> plan you restart the contract for ALL phones from that
> date even if you do not change plans.
>
> This was not my previous interpretation. In fact I'm sure
> I was told some time ago that upgrading a secondary phone
> does not restart the contract date for the other phones.
> The CS rep told me this is the way it has always been.
> I'm still not convinced this is the case. As we all know
> it sometimes takes several calls and a visit to a Verizon
> store for the correct answer.

All three lines on my familyshare have different contract
end dates. We have done at least one equipment upgrade
to replace my daughter's destroyed phone. That was a
secondary line. Can't remember exactly when but it was
a Kyocera SE-47 Slider a few months after they came out.
I'll dig up the details on the web when I get home.

-Quick

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"TeddeLI" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote

> After reading Ilene's post I called CS for verification. It seems that
> if you upgrade ANY phone on a family share plan you restart the
> contract for ALL phones from that date even if you do not change
> plans.

That's the way it's always been for me TeddeLI. If the LI means Long
Island, I believe we're in the same VZW region.

> I'm still not convinced this is the case. As we
> all know it sometimes takes several calls and a visit to a Verizon
> store for the correct answer.

Good luck! I agree that it can take several calls to get the answer you
*want*...now whether that's "correct" or not, who's to say. Because if you
call again, you'll likely get a different answer.

Ileen

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"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote>

> No, but you should be able to switch the secondary line to
> an individual plan.
>
> -Quick

Not just *should be able* but *must switch* to an individual plan. How
exactly would Verizon force you to switch plans? Here you have a contract
that says the secondary line is on a family plan until some end date and
their going to force you to cancel that contract and change to an entirely
different plan? Even if that scenario were possible, you'd have to sign a
new contract because you are changing plans altogether, not just changing
the price point (number of minutes) within a plan. So, in effect you would
be extending the contract on the secondary line anyway...for an even later
end date than if it had been extended when the phone was upgraded in the
first place.

It's starting to make sense to me why family plan lines all have the same
end date. The only scenario that works is if the secondary lines have end
dates that are *before* the end date of the primary. I suppose this could
happen if the primary line extends the contract by upgrading the phone
without having to change plans. I've never been in that situation since
when I don't change plans often, so by the time I get to upgrade at
subsidized price the plan I'm on doesn't exist anymore. But I still
question if that's even possible in my market: it's always been new phone,
subsidized price, new signed contract.

Ileen