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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 12:43:10 AM

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I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their PTT.
I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that the
second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there anyone
in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with the
new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.

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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 1:58:40 AM

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"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06:

> the rep assured me that the
> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel.

He's dreamin'...(d^:)  Nextel is a trunk radio system, iDen. Its cellular-
like interconnect to regular telephones is an afterthought. Cellular
companies trying to horn in on Nextel's business are cellular companies,
whos systems are designed for full duplex telephone service. PTT is a
bastardization of their data service....like VoIP on the net. Their
latency eats them alive.

Besides, if you are talking to OTHER Nextel customers on PTT, you will NOT
be able to talk to them on any other company....except to call their phone
number on cellular. The PTT systems are NOT interconnected. Over their
cold, dead bodies...(c;

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
June 15, 2005 12:18:41 PM

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Jimmy D wrote:
> Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean cut input.
> I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know that one
> carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to Verizon
> vise versa.

I can offer this observation. After a number of friends with businesses
observed me having full duplex conversations without the clock running
they dropped their Nextel plans and went with VZW. As a side benefit VZW
has much better coverage.

As far as angry one of the answers you got is from the resident mad at
VZW for some unknown reason trolls...
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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 3:23:34 PM

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"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:YuUre.6922$fa3.6898@trndny01...
> Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean
cut input.
> I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know
that one
> carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to
Verizon
> vise versa.

Hi Jimmy,

For a 100 line switch the VZW rep should be willing to loan you a
couple of phones and let you try it for 14 days.

Just remember, with Nextel PTT is basic and regular cell is an add on
With Verizon regular cell is basic and PTT is an add on.

But TRY BEFORE YOU BUY !

Richard
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 4:13:00 PM

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Inter carrier phone service works just fine. You can make phone calls
between them just the same as always. It is the ptt functions that do
not inter operate.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 5:00:28 PM

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George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:S4GdndOzBPW_gS3fRVn-
2A@adelphia.com:

> I can offer this observation. After a number of friends with businesses
> observed me having full duplex conversations without the clock running
> they dropped their Nextel plans and went with VZW.

It is interesting to note that with Nextel, 24/7, INCOMING calls are not
charged to you. So, if you are running a business with lots of incoming
calls eating up your VZW minutes during the business day, Nextel's free
incoming calls makes a lot of sense. The actual number of included
(nothing is free) minutes in either plan isn't comparible if you take lots
of business calls daily coming in. Nextel wins every time if your incoming
minutes monthly is over 500. It's really a judgement call.

Of course, if you're in an industry like construction where everyone talks
to everyone on Nextel PTT, VZW isn't an issue at all, PTT or no PTT. In
businesses like that, noone uses timed minutes. They switch to their
vendor's Nextel PTT group and call him for free...all day long.

The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to teenage
girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 8:04:30 PM

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"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>
> It is interesting to note that with Nextel, 24/7, INCOMING calls are
not
> charged to you. So, if you are running a business with lots of
incoming
> calls eating up your VZW minutes during the business day, Nextel's
free
> incoming calls makes a lot of sense. The actual number of included
> (nothing is free) minutes in either plan isn't comparible if you
take lots
> of business calls daily coming in. Nextel wins every time if your
incoming
> minutes monthly is over 500. It's really a judgement call.
>
> Of course, if you're in an industry like construction where everyone
talks
> to everyone on Nextel PTT, VZW isn't an issue at all, PTT or no PTT.
In
> businesses like that, noone uses timed minutes. They switch to
their
> vendor's Nextel PTT group and call him for free...all day long.
>

Hi Larry,

That's a valid point..................as far as it goes.

The problem is that all those construction workers have wives, girl
friends, family and other friends (who DON'T use Nextel) and they talk
to those folks as well.

And that's where the Nextel user gets creamed.

Nextel's business model has always been to either give away or lowball
the Direct Connect minutes and then charge like a wounded bull for
everything else.

We have a very small number of customers for whom the genuine Nextel
PTT is a must or so they think.
But we run a monthly calculation showing them what they are paying for
the regular cell minutes and the impact that's having on their total
bill. It's amazing how that changes their attitude over
time.......................especially now that the competition offers
free in network calling.

Richard (3 Watts forever ! )
June 15, 2005 9:19:11 PM

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Larry W4CSC wrote:

>
> The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to teenage
> girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.
>
Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
if you use a nextel radio.

I was just working at a site today and there were too guys from a large
service company who I usually bump into. I noticed they no longer had
nextel and asked what they were using. They said the company switched
over to VZW because the users didn't want to deal with the walkie-talkie
"feature". Now they can call others and either put the speakerphone on
and set the phone down or use a headset and have a full duplex call.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 10:57:36 PM

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Jimmy,

You have to look at what you need more: A two-way radio with a cell phone
or a cell phone that also has two-way (delayed) capability. Verizon's PTW
uses the cell feature of the phone; while the delay may get shorter, it will
never be as short as Nextel. Another thing to consider is if your users
communicate with other Nextel users outside of your company to get their
work done. Ultimately, you have to go with whichever company makes better
business sense, however with 100 phones, I would imagine that Nextel would
make it worth your while to stay...


"RICHARD GORDON" <richard_r_gordonATmsnDOTcom> wrote in message
news:11b0hucs70tr94b@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:YuUre.6922$fa3.6898@trndny01...
> > Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean
> cut input.
> > I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know
> that one
> > carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to
> Verizon
> > vise versa.
>
> Hi Jimmy,
>
> For a 100 line switch the VZW rep should be willing to loan you a
> couple of phones and let you try it for 14 days.
>
> Just remember, with Nextel PTT is basic and regular cell is an add on
> With Verizon regular cell is basic and PTT is an add on.
>
> But TRY BEFORE YOU BUY !
>
> Richard
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 1:50:34 AM

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"RICHARD GORDON" <richard_r_gordonATmsnDOTcom> wrote in
news:11b12d39oe4ao95@news.supernews.com:

> That's a valid point..................as far as it goes.
>
> The problem is that all those construction workers have wives, girl
> friends, family and other friends (who DON'T use Nextel) and they talk
> to those folks as well.
>
> And that's where the Nextel user gets creamed.

Not really. My friend next door is an Electrical contractor. His wife
owns a leather business. They both use their own Nextel group and talk on
PTT all day. Other electricians all have Nextel on other groups. Most of
them I know also have Nextel phones in the wife's possession. It's all
PTT....fast PTT.

>
> Nextel's business model has always been to either give away or lowball
> the Direct Connect minutes and then charge like a wounded bull for
> everything else.
>
> We have a very small number of customers for whom the genuine Nextel
> PTT is a must or so they think.
> But we run a monthly calculation showing them what they are paying for
> the regular cell minutes and the impact that's having on their total
> bill. It's amazing how that changes their attitude over
> time.......................especially now that the competition offers
> free in network calling.
>
> Richard (3 Watts forever ! )
>

Most Nextel customers I know really have no choice. The warehouse guys at
the supply houses all have a Nextel group. Most of these businesses do not
allow employees to call out on Nextel. They're restricted to PTT service
and incoming phone calls. Outgoing is locked out so they use no minutes at
all! Only the supervisory personnel are using outgoing minutes. These
companies let the workers take their phones home and use them all they like
as it costs the company nothing extra. Wives can call them, but they can
only call 911. If they had VZW PTT, I'm not sure how that would lockout
and the wives calling in would cost the company so the phones would
probably stay on the job.

As I said, as long as Nextel has a lock on the majority of inter-business
PTT between users and suppliers, even if VZW gets the latency issue to
microseconds, if you can't call 'em....who cares?

Another issue is the tougher iDen phones. I've got a couple of really
rugged Nextel phones a friend gave me when he switched his company to
Alltel. You can just look at them and see they were never designed for
glitzy Barbie dolls to carry in their pink purses. I don't think VZW or
any of the glitz carriers has a really rugged phone you can drag on the
ground under a house fixing the wiring, do they? Electricians don't care
about color screens, cameras, ringtones, games....just PTT that works after
the phone got dropped in the mud or they fell on it off the ladder.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 9:24:10 AM

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I've heard that the long-term plan of SprintPCS-Nextel is to migrate all
of the iDEN/SMR stuff to CDMA. The particular PTT protocol used by
SprintPCS is supposed to be faster than the one used by VZW.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 5:35:47 PM

Archived from groups: alt.cellular.verizon (More info?)

Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon Push to
Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for users on the
VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared to Nextel. Are
there any former Nextel users who made the switch?
"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06...
>I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
> communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their PTT.
> I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that the
> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there
> anyone
> in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with the
> new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 7:41:22 PM

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My understanding is they are trying to make dual-mode phones that can
operate in both CDMA and iDen at the same time, unlike the i2000/i2000+ that
can only operate in one at a time.


"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
news:_18se.1978$NU5.834@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> I've heard that the long-term plan of SprintPCS-Nextel is to migrate all
> of the iDEN/SMR stuff to CDMA. The particular PTT protocol used by
> SprintPCS is supposed to be faster than the one used by VZW.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 7:47:31 PM

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How many WWII conversations on radios were held between people over 2000
miles apart?

Nextel doesn't advertise using PTT for long conversations. If you watch
their commercials, they all highlight the use of PTT for short
conversations.


"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:D KidndO93vU0By3fRVn-1Q@adelphia.com...
> Larry W4CSC wrote:
>
> >
> > The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to
teenage
> > girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.
> >
> Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
> to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
> if you use a nextel radio.
>
> I was just working at a site today and there were too guys from a large
> service company who I usually bump into. I noticed they no longer had
> nextel and asked what they were using. They said the company switched
> over to VZW because the users didn't want to deal with the walkie-talkie
> "feature". Now they can call others and either put the speakerphone on
> and set the phone down or use a headset and have a full duplex call.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 8:26:00 PM

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Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon Push to
Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for users on the
VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared to Nextel. Are
there any former Nextel users who made the switch?



"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06...
>I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
> communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their PTT.
> I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that the
> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there
> anyone
> in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with the
> new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 2:41:52 AM

Archived from groups: alt.cellular.nextel,alt.cellular.verizon (More info?)

"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in news:sKhse.7608$fa3.1695@trndny01:

> Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon
> Push to Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for
> users on the VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared
> to Nextel. Are there any former Nextel users who made the switch?
>
>

Actually, we DID try VZW's PTT in the store. We gave it an honest test by
calling the other store all the way across town! We pushed the
button...waited...waited...BEEP!..connect! Then we said hello and unkeyed
the button. Then, we waited and waited and BEEP! the other side said a
garbled hello. Then, we asked them how long it took for them to hear us.
At that point, it disconnected us for some reason and the sales person
seemed anxious to get rid of us asking silly questions like that.

These experiences are probably why you have such a time finding someone who
used them. Nextel users are easy to find. Just ask the guy at the table
behind you in any restaurant if his works...(c;

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 3:31:28 AM

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Here is some info from someone that tried Verizon and Nextel PTT...

There is no comparison. If you like Nextel's PTT, you will hate
Verizon's PTT.
I switched from Verizon to Nextel but I relied on the 2 week trial
period to try it out. It is known that Nextel's coverage is not as
good as Verizon's so what I did is drove to the places where I travel
and checked the Nextel coverage. It was more than adequate so I stuck
with Nextel. Like Richard Gordon said, Nextel's main feature is PTT
and Verizon's is cell phone service. Ocassionaly (maybe once a week),
Nextel will drop a call. And like Richard said, try before you buy.
It took me a while to find a store that had Verizon's PTT, but I
finally did find one only to find that Verizon's PTT is a joke.
If you try Verizon's PTT in a store, be sure that you hit END on both
phones. You will find it takes 15+ seconds to hear your message come
on the other phone. Read my other posts for more info.
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 2:09:28 PM

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On 6/15/05 5:19 PM, in article dKidndO93vU0By3fRVn-1Q@adelphia.com, "George"
<george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Larry W4CSC wrote:
> Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
> to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
> if you use a nextel radio.

That the reaction at my job when a few of us got them. We got mocked on
every time we used DC. Guess what, all those who used to mock us, now have
Nextel. And non of them would give them up now. I really glad you are
happy with Verizon.
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 5:42:55 PM

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I currently have Verizon PTT phones for myself, my wife and mother. Also,
My Brother-in-Law and Sister-in Law have Verizon PTT. We all recently
switched over from Nextel.

Verizon PTT is VOIP. It first has to register with a central website, then
be directed to another website for traffic control and resource balancing
purposes. This adds delay, latency, wait time; whatever you want to call
it. Some have experimented with going into the service menu on their phones
and changing the URL to a Secondary site to drop some of the wait. I don't
consider that to be a permanent fix, nor a dependable one, as customer base
grows or usage area changes.

Nextel gives a nearly instant result, and passes whatever portion of the
digital signal it can gather up from thier limited coverage. You could have
a perfect conversation on one exchange and a digital waterfall if either
person moves a few feet. It is a toss-up.

Verizon will give you a relatively clear conversation with much fewer
digital artifacts in most cases. It comes down to making a decision between
always having instant connection and not always having understandable
communications (Nextel) or having delayed routing and relatively clear
communications (VZ).

If all of you usage is under a Nextel coverage umbrella, then Nextel is
probably the hands-down choice. However, if you live in the land of
reality, and travel throughout fly-over county or expect to have continuous
contact availability with others, you may want to consider Verizon, or
another carrier that has a similar large footprint in rural areas or away
from Interstate Highways.

I still maintain a Boost prepaid phone to keep up with past Nextel contacts,
and we have "zones" established around our houses that are most likely to
provide understandable communications using the Nextel PTT system. Not
exactly a model of portability, but still relatively quick contact time and
overall good communcation; provided you stay within a few feet of the
optimum RF Footprint - out here in fly over country.


On the subject of the VX 4700, the family is using 5 of those now. They
have been durable so far. Mine has been dropped quite a few times, with no
damage. My brother-in-law works in a Bodyshop, and his sees quite a bit if
abuse. I wouldn't put them up against one of Nextel's mil-spec ruggedized
models, but would feel comfortable on a match up between the 4700 and one
of big M's more recent trendsetter models. I also don't try to play chicken
on my skateboard with an oncoming H2 Hummer. This is a subjective
comparison, and some degree of previous thought will provide a higher degree
of dependable results. Asking about the phone on the net before purchase is
far better than jumping in, and seeing what you got later.

There are a few bugs in the firmware of the 4700, one being a fixed PTT
Alert volume; and it is way too low in comparison with Nextel's.

A good feature of VZ's GIN enabled (Get It Now) phones is the ability to get
"backdoor" high speed internet connectivity by using the phone tethered to a
PC for peak minutes used or free nights and weekends.

You can expect to pay an additional Premium of $10.00 per user if you go
with VZ PTT ofer VZ Cellular only. On the family plan, VZ was offering up
to 4 free VX4700 phones with the purchase of the first one. That would max
out at $50.00 additional per month if you activated 5 on the family plan.
as you can see the cost of PTT with VZ does command a premium.

With the VX4700s, the family (all previous Nextel customers) are far more
likely to dial one another than to gambler on the other being able to hear
6the low volume PTT Alert tone that the phone has.

I personally feel it will get better, as more carriers use either the
Motorola VOIP or FastChat Client software to provide a PTT alternative.
Competition will eventyally shake out a dependable service or eliminate it
from the option list. It is a matter of time and how much you are willing
to spend...


"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:sKhse.7608$fa3.1695@trndny01...
> Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon Push to
> Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for users on the
> VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared to Nextel. Are
> there any former Nextel users who made the switch?
>
>
>
> "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06...
>>I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
>> communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their
>> PTT.
>> I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that
>> the
>> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there
>> anyone
>> in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with
>> the
>> new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
July 8, 2005 9:30:27 AM

Archived from groups: alt.cellular.nextel,alt.cellular.verizon (More info?)

I'm new around here, but man I tell you... don't walk but RUN away from VZW
PTT. I just took back 5 LG VX4700's a week ago.

The voice network is very good... not the greatest thing since sliced bread
as my friends kept telling me. I'm on the road a LOT. I still had
occasional dropped calls, but far less than I've experienced with Nextel and
Sprint. If I needed a voice only phone I would go with VZW. For cheap data
access I would go with Sprint. For PTT go for Nextel.

I have had Nextel for about 4 months before trying out VZW PTT. Nextel has
a lot of dead spots where I am so it seemed VZW's network was bigger.. which
it is. BUT for PTT it was so difficult to make a connection, we had to make
a voice call at least 80% of the time. I'm talking about a good MINUTE to
make and TRY to complete a PTT session of just 3-4 sentences. The first PTT
connection took about 5-8 seconds to arrive typically, with many times as
long as 20 seconds (meaning it took that long for your first message to get
transmitted to another phone). Once the connection was established
subsequent connections were a lot faster with only a second or so delay
which was fine for me. One thing I did was go to the VZW store and take a
phone outside while my partner was inside and we made several connections.
Now, in real world daily use, about 40% of the time you would make a PTT
connection it was say 'connection failed'. So you have to try again.
Another 40% of the time after you get one reply and hit PTT to carry on the
conversation you immediately get a 'buzz' and it says 'connection failed'.
All this with FULL status bars and where a phone connection worked 100% of
the time. So while one of us is sitting somewhere trying to get an order
placed with the store, MOST of the time it was so much faster to dial the
store, say what you needed to say and hang up. The sound clarity of the
phones were something to be desired also after using Nextel but was
acceptible. The 'alert' tone can't be heard if you have the phone in your
pocket or have ANY background noise such as the radio (and I'm not talking
about blasting music) or have it in the seat with papers on top of it.

What was even more annoying was that if you had missed a voice call, there
was a status msg on the ext. display showing you had a miss call. You
CANNOT make a PTT call without first opening the flip. Hitting cancel (or
end), closing the flip and selecting a PTT user. And when a PTT call failed
during the converstaion, you have to open the flip, clear, close the phone,
hit PTT. SO time consuming.

We started using Nextel again and it's like WOW... we were 300% more
productive again.

VZW PTT is great as a toy for kids or MAYBE a low usage family. That's it.
Again for voice only usage, I'd say VZW is great especially with the 'IN'
converage. But if you have daily use for PTT, then welcome to a nightmare.



"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:sKhse.7608$fa3.1695@trndny01...
> Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon Push to
> Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for users on the
> VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared to Nextel. Are
> there any former Nextel users who made the switch?
>
>
>
> "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06...
>>I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
>> communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their
>> PTT.
>> I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that
>> the
>> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there
>> anyone
>> in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with
>> the
>> new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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