Woody or Scotty @ 2.4?

[justaguy]

I'm gonna break down and get an Intel for media encoding. My damn XP is really slow and I hate starting an encode, going to bed, and waking up at 80% complete!

Every PC I've ever owned has been oc'd-not stopping now. I can't afford new RAM, so PC3200 Corsair Value Select is what I've got to work with. Would I get better results with a 2.4C and a 5:4 or 3:2 divider for overclocking, or give up the HT and get a Prescott 2.4 and OC 1:1 due to the slower stock FSB?

ATM, I'm leaning toward Woody-HT and all would be nice, even w/penalty for OC'ing out of synch.

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[scottchen]

Northwood all the way, Prescott doesn't scale better, and performs worse and same clock speeds.

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[PukePile]

Ya go with the woody unless the d0 stepping is out for the scotty but i dont think it is.Get a nice $60 heatsink and you should be able to get it around 3.2-3.4 maybe higher if your lucky.I think hardocp go a 2.4c up to 4 ghz with watercooling.

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[jammydodger]

Apparently the 2.4A (prescott) is a really good overclocker though. But I would still go with the woody simply because I've heard so many bad things about scot.

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[justaguy]

Accidentally posted some typos. Same msg. as below<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by justaguy on 07/02/04 12:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[justaguy]

Thanks for the input, guys. So, even though I won't be able to oc in synch (RAM only does 209-checked it with my TBred), the Northwood is the way to go, huh?

That's kinda what I thought.

One more question-what about a 1.8a on the Northwood core? Theoretically, if I get a good one and nice mobo, couldn't I just double the fsb (or close to it) and get a really nice OC? HT would be lost, but OC would be sweet and a synchronous 3.2 or so should be better than asynch with the Northwood, right? Or not? Sorry for being a noob. I haven't been following Intel since I got my TBred a while back.

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[justaguy]

In case this isn't already painfully obvious, I'm dirt poor right now. So buying new mem is out. I can only spend maybe $150 or so. Thus the Woody 2.4 or 2.6 (only a couple $) is the very top of my price range and going with Scot or the 1.8 might allow me to grab a better mobo (I'm thinking a 865pe or v880 off the scrap heap @ Newegg-been lucky so far). Thanks again.

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[scottchen]

1:1 ratio is not the only choice, if you have read my OC guide, you will find that on the 800FSB HT series, low timings will make up for the async ram speeds on the i865/875p chipsets.

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[justaguy]

Hey Scott-thanks. I had read your OC guide, just not very carefully. I appreciate the help.

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[justaguy]

I'm ready to let this thread die, but if anybody read this and wants to know which chip oc's best with mere pc3200, read this:

http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/CPU/Intel-P4-800MHz-FSB-CPU-Round˜up/

Or if you're just lazy, it's the 2.6 with a 4:5 divider, then a 2.4 with 2:3, last the 3.0 with 1:1. All end up around 3.6, but apparently the added FSB speed does more than make up for the asynch penalty.

THG Forum rules. Big ups to scottchen, and other vets who are all to willing to help!

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[Cybercraig]

Thou art a dead duck unless thou buyeth used! {laugh]
The best buyeth for thou wouldst be the, the Northwood 3.0C!

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[scottchen]

He's on a tight tight budget.

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[justaguy]

I know the budget may not work-might have to appeal to the wife. That or else I think that I'll have to sell some stuff to make this work. Why do you suggest 3.0? No matter what, I'll need to be asynch in overclocking, so I might as well go 2.8 since 200 Mem=250 FSB and 3.5 GHz @ 4:5. That sounds like a good goal for me.

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[PukePile]

ya the 2.8 is where the price break is right now.

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[HardWareBoss]

Buy the 2.8C. Best buy for the money now. If you can swing the extra money buy the Abit IS7 mobo.

 

[Cybercraig]

The 3.0C is a heck of a CPU at stock speed. At a 209FSB 1:1 that gives you 3.135ghz, which will probably outrun anything else you can come up with. I've seen some OEM's go for $180.00 recently. I've been running my 2.8C at 3.3 with a 5:4 ratio for a week and it's not as fast as a 230mhz fsb at 1:1. I couldn't get it past 3.62 due to extreme heat and this POS MSI board.


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[Zeekfu]

ok looks like it has already been covered but the 2.8c retail is like $18 more than the 2.4 cpu at new egg--get that and save $40 from buying an extreme heatsink, lol. Also, (I am a computer noob but I have been tracking prices for a while) looks like the 3.0c may be coming close to being the new sweet spot. It looks to be falling about $10 of late. Same with the 3.2 c. I think now that the new lga sockets are out the high end northwood cores are finally starting to drop a bit. The bottleneck seems to be around the 2.8 price as in some places the 2.6 processor is actually a few dollars more.

Craig spots these uber deals but they are never still there by the time I find the post and go to look. I hear people get awesome prices at places like dell by checking for these occasional one day sales. One poster on the new egg buyer reviews said he got a dell with the 3.2 gig processor cheaper than the processor. I assume that if he is telling the truth that was back when the 3.2 first came out and was really high, though.


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heck the retail is $4 more than the oem--if you absolutely must have the extreme heatsink by the retail and give the heatsink to a friend in need, lol.
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[Zeekfu]

ok screw that last post totally you get the "bunny" with this processor:

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[justaguy]

I appreciate all the advice. And I also know that you are all correct in your logic and facts. The one hang up is that I'm really poor, and that the 2.8 is now reasonably priced, but probably still too much for me. That's why I was leaning toward the Prescott at one point. The stock speed means next to nothing to me. Basically I'll be OC'ing it regardless, so if it's gonna be running @ 3.2-3.3 or so, I think that I should just find the cheapest one that can do that. ATM, that's a refurb Scotty @ $99. That or the retail one for $121. (The 50-$75 difference between 2.4 Scotty and 2.8 NW matters in my case, unfortunately.)I'm even trying to dig up an old P4-M that is s478 to use. Whatever I can find cheap and OC the P!$$ out of!

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[Zeekfu]

I got ya buddy. It just occurs to me that alot of people post things that indicate to me they buy a processor for a few dollars cheaper then spend mega bucks on some monster uber heatsink that weighs 10 lbs to get the performance of a cpu they could have spent $10 dollars more and gotten to start with. I would rather get the the 2.8 c or 3.0 c with stock cooling than a lower speed processor and wind up spending the same total amount (or more) buying the "turbo" heatsink.

But the reason for my post was the 2.4 you mentioned to start with is not much cheaper than the 2.8--comparing retail new apples to apples of course. :>)

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[Zeekfu]

but hey, the eggs have gone wild...and you would get the bunny....
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[Zeekfu]

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[PukePile]

If you are looking for a low cost cpu you might want to looking into something from amd.The scotty will run hot so your looking at spending $50 or more on a heatsink for that if you want to overclock.

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