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a b V Motherboard
May 7, 2004 6:50:45 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4 1.8A/400 GHz
processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100 (DDR266).
The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS installed. One of
the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a Hyper-threading
processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.

The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard indicates it
supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G chipset.
I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on this puppy
before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I rushing
it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?

I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading (Newegg
$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free shipping). Not
sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus there?
Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along with the
fan and heat sink.

I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50 to help
defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or should I
wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start disappearing
from the shelves and the price start jumping?
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 7, 2004 4:46:15 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06 and 2.8 is not
worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible when memory
accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are considered.

I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while. Will the
prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to ascertain is
whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as they are, the
price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production stops, the prices
will ease back up again.... Ben Myers

On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4 1.8A/400 GHz
>processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100 (DDR266).
>The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS installed. One of
>the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a Hyper-threading
>processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
>
>The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard indicates it
>supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G chipset.
>I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on this puppy
>before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I rushing
>it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
>
>I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading (Newegg
>$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free shipping). Not
>sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus there?
>Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along with the
>fan and heat sink.
>
>I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50 to help
>defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or should I
>wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start disappearing
>from the shelves and the price start jumping?
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 7, 2004 4:46:16 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the processor
difference since there was such a big price difference. The premium must be
for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything for me or
is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?

I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this motherboard and
it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since I was
concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I sent email
to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the maximum
processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it for a
2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS doesn't
say anything on what the BIOS will support.

Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't want to
risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06 and 2.8
is not
> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible when
memory
> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
considered.
>
> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while. Will
the
> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to
ascertain is
> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as they
are, the
> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production stops, the
prices
> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
>
> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4 1.8A/400
GHz
> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100 (DDR266).
> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS installed. One
of
> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a Hyper-threading
> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> >
> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard indicates it
> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G
chipset.
> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on this
puppy
> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I
rushing
> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
> >
> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading (Newegg
> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free shipping). Not
> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus there?
> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along with
the
> >fan and heat sink.
> >
> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50 to
help
> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or should I
> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
disappearing
> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 7, 2004 5:52:38 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by quickly(!) writing
down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT motherboard
BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better define the upper
limit on processor speed with the board.

I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX board
flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and installed up to a
2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update does not
describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO, the best
motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised fanatically
to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the Intel web site
DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.

You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the bother, given its
street price of over $100... Ben Myers

On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the processor
>difference since there was such a big price difference. The premium must be
>for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything for me or
>is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
>
>I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this motherboard and
>it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since I was
>concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I sent email
>to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the maximum
>processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it for a
>2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS doesn't
>say anything on what the BIOS will support.
>
>Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't want to
>risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
>
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
>> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06 and 2.8
>is not
>> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible when
>memory
>> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
>considered.
>>
>> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while. Will
>the
>> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to
>ascertain is
>> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as they
>are, the
>> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production stops, the
>prices
>> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4 1.8A/400
>GHz
>> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100 (DDR266).
>> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS installed. One
>of
>> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a Hyper-threading
>> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
>> >
>> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard indicates it
>> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G
>chipset.
>> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on this
>puppy
>> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I
>rushing
>> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
>> >
>> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading (Newegg
>> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free shipping). Not
>> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus there?
>> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along with
>the
>> >fan and heat sink.
>> >
>> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50 to
>help
>> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or should I
>> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
>disappearing
>> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 7, 2004 5:52:39 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I sent
back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
response:

" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the configuration
of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives and
devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether different
inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication between
processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.

There are many other ways to improve the performance of your computer.
Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade the
video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
gradations would definitely increase the performance."

The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of this
is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine and
the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother looking at
my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months. He
doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in it's
infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard so I
doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!

Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return policy?
Getting a straight answer is not going well.


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by quickly(!)
writing
> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
motherboard
> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better define the
upper
> limit on processor speed with the board.
>
> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX board
> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and installed up
to a
> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update does not
> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO, the
best
> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
fanatically
> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the Intel
web site
> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
>
> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the bother,
given its
> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
>
> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the processor
> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The premium must
be
> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything for me
or
> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> >
> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this motherboard
and
> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since I was
> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I sent
email
> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
maximum
> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it for a
> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
doesn't
> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> >
> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't want
to
> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> >
> >
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06 and
2.8
> >is not
> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible
when
> >memory
> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
> >considered.
> >>
> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while.
Will
> >the
> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to
> >ascertain is
> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as they
> >are, the
> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production stops,
the
> >prices
> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4 1.8A/400
> >GHz
> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
(DDR266).
> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS installed.
One
> >of
> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a Hyper-threading
> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> >> >
> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard indicates
it
> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G
> >chipset.
> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on this
> >puppy
> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I
> >rushing
> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
> >> >
> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading
(Newegg
> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free shipping).
Not
> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus
there?
> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along
with
> >the
> >> >fan and heat sink.
> >> >
> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50 to
> >help
> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or should
I
> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
> >disappearing
> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 7, 2004 10:12:31 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most other
name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you, but void the
warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name brands wants
to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of warranty
already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow pies.

Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the chassis and
write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the BIOS ID.
That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is possible for
your system.

BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both sticks of
DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is probably
OK for most use... Ben Myers

On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I sent
>back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
>response:
>
>" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the configuration
> of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
> computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives and
> devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether different
> inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication between
> processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
> times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
>
> There are many other ways to improve the performance of your computer.
> Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
> room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade the
> video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> gradations would definitely increase the performance."
>
>The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of this
>is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine and
>the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother looking at
>my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months. He
>doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in it's
>infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard so I
>doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
>
>Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return policy?
>Getting a straight answer is not going well.
>
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
>> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by quickly(!)
>writing
>> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
>motherboard
>> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better define the
>upper
>> limit on processor speed with the board.
>>
>> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX board
>> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and installed up
>to a
>> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update does not
>> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO, the
>best
>> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
>fanatically
>> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the Intel
>web site
>> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
>>
>> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the bother,
>given its
>> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the processor
>> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The premium must
>be
>> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything for me
>or
>> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
>> >
>> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this motherboard
>and
>> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since I was
>> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I sent
>email
>> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
>maximum
>> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it for a
>> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
>doesn't
>> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
>> >
>> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't want
>to
>> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
>> >
>> >
>> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
>> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06 and
>2.8
>> >is not
>> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible
>when
>> >memory
>> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
>> >considered.
>> >>
>> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while.
>Will
>> >the
>> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to
>> >ascertain is
>> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as they
>> >are, the
>> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production stops,
>the
>> >prices
>> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4 1.8A/400
>> >GHz
>> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
>(DDR266).
>> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS installed.
>One
>> >of
>> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a Hyper-threading
>> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
>> >> >
>> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard indicates
>it
>> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G
>> >chipset.
>> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on this
>> >puppy
>> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I
>> >rushing
>> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading
>(Newegg
>> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free shipping).
>Not
>> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus
>there?
>> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along
>with
>> >the
>> >> >fan and heat sink.
>> >> >
>> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50 to
>> >help
>> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or should
>I
>> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
>> >disappearing
>> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 9, 2004 5:54:55 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the original
system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports 2GB
of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
anybody proof read stuff anymore?

http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...

I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on the
Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of the
fixes:

"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in use."

Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN Gateway
for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.

There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type D845GRG
but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white sticker
with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".

Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you think
the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it does
leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment less
useful or prematurely obsolete.


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most other
> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you, but
void the
> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name brands
wants
> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of warranty
> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow pies.
>
> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the chassis
and
> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the BIOS
ID.
> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is possible
for
> your system.
>
> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both sticks
of
> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
probably
> OK for most use... Ben Myers
>
> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I sent
> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
> >response:
> >
> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the configuration
> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives and
> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether different
> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication between
> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> >
> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your computer.
> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade the
> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> >
> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of
this
> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine
and
> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother looking
at
> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months.
He
> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in it's
> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard so I
> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> >
> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
policy?
> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> >
> >
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by quickly(!)
> >writing
> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
> >motherboard
> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better define
the
> >upper
> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> >>
> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX
board
> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and installed
up
> >to a
> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update does
not
> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO, the
> >best
> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
> >fanatically
> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the Intel
> >web site
> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> >>
> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the bother,
> >given its
> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
processor
> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The premium
must
> >be
> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything for
me
> >or
> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> >> >
> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
motherboard
> >and
> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since I
was
> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I sent
> >email
> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
> >maximum
> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it
for a
> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
> >doesn't
> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> >> >
> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't
want
> >to
> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06
and
> >2.8
> >> >is not
> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible
> >when
> >> >memory
> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
> >> >considered.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while.
> >Will
> >> >the
> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to
> >> >ascertain is
> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as
they
> >> >are, the
> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
stops,
> >the
> >> >prices
> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
1.8A/400
> >> >GHz
> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
> >(DDR266).
> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
installed.
> >One
> >> >of
> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
Hyper-threading
> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
indicates
> >it
> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G
> >> >chipset.
> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on
this
> >> >puppy
> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I
> >> >rushing
> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading
> >(Newegg
> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
shipping).
> >Not
> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus
> >there?
> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along
> >with
> >> >the
> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50
to
> >> >help
> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or
should
> >I
> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
> >> >disappearing
> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 10, 2004 1:57:38 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel web site,
the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:

Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG

These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest variation is
full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if at all
possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the Intel
docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.

Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure out which
one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the controlling
factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad news is
that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not affix the
AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision you've
got.

You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.

.... Ben Myers

On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the original
>system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
>that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
>documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
>supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports 2GB
>of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
>anybody proof read stuff anymore?
>
>http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
>
>I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on the
>Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
>documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of the
>fixes:
>
>"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in use."
>
>Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
>3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
>therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN Gateway
>for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
>documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
>
>There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type D845GRG
>but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white sticker
>with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
>
>Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you think
>the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
>shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
>keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it does
>leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment less
>useful or prematurely obsolete.
>
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
>> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most other
>> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you, but
>void the
>> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name brands
>wants
>> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of warranty
>> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow pies.
>>
>> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the chassis
>and
>> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the BIOS
>ID.
>> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is possible
>for
>> your system.
>>
>> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both sticks
>of
>> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
>probably
>> OK for most use... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I sent
>> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
>> >response:
>> >
>> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
>> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
>> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the configuration
>> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
>> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
>> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives and
>> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether different
>> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication between
>> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
>> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
>> >
>> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your computer.
>> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
>> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade the
>> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
>> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
>> >
>> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of
>this
>> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine
>and
>> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother looking
>at
>> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months.
>He
>> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in it's
>> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard so I
>> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
>> >
>> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
>policy?
>> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
>> >
>> >
>> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
>> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by quickly(!)
>> >writing
>> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
>> >motherboard
>> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better define
>the
>> >upper
>> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
>> >>
>> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX
>board
>> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and installed
>up
>> >to a
>> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update does
>not
>> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO, the
>> >best
>> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
>> >fanatically
>> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the Intel
>> >web site
>> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
>> >>
>> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the bother,
>> >given its
>> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
>processor
>> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The premium
>must
>> >be
>> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything for
>me
>> >or
>> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
>> >> >
>> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
>motherboard
>> >and
>> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since I
>was
>> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I sent
>> >email
>> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
>> >maximum
>> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it
>for a
>> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
>> >doesn't
>> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
>> >> >
>> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't
>want
>> >to
>> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
>> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06
>and
>> >2.8
>> >> >is not
>> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power, negligible
>> >when
>> >> >memory
>> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
>> >> >considered.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a while.
>> >Will
>> >> >the
>> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question to
>> >> >ascertain is
>> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as
>they
>> >> >are, the
>> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
>stops,
>> >the
>> >> >prices
>> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
>1.8A/400
>> >> >GHz
>> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
>> >(DDR266).
>> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
>installed.
>> >One
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
>Hyper-threading
>> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
>indicates
>> >it
>> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel 845G
>> >> >chipset.
>> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor on
>this
>> >> >puppy
>> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive. Am I
>> >> >rushing
>> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper Threading
>> >(Newegg
>> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
>shipping).
>> >Not
>> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the concensus
>> >there?
>> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty along
>> >with
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for $50
>to
>> >> >help
>> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or
>should
>> >I
>> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
>> >> >disappearing
>> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 10, 2004 1:57:39 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel web
site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2 and
it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector grumble
grumble).

I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't have
anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to assume
the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment from
Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open question
is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a $200
mistake.

Thanks for all your help with this!

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel web
site,
> the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
>
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
>
> These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
variation is
> full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if
at all
> possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
> controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
Intel
> docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
>
> Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure out
which
> one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
controlling
> factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad news
is
> that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not affix
the
> AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision
you've
> got.
>
> You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.
>
> ... Ben Myers
>
> On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
original
> >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
> >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
> >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports
2GB
> >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
> >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> >
> >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
> >
> >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on the
> >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
> >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of the
> >fixes:
> >
> >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in use."
> >
> >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN Gateway
> >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
> >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> >
> >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
D845GRG
> >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white sticker
> >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> >
> >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
think
> >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
> >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
> >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
does
> >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment less
> >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> >
> >
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
other
> >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you, but
> >void the
> >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
brands
> >wants
> >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
warranty
> >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow pies.
> >>
> >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
chassis
> >and
> >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the BIOS
> >ID.
> >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
possible
> >for
> >> your system.
> >>
> >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
sticks
> >of
> >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
> >probably
> >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I
sent
> >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
> >> >response:
> >> >
> >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
configuration
> >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
> >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives
and
> >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
different
> >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
between
> >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
> >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> >> >
> >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
computer.
> >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
> >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade
the
> >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> >> >
> >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of
> >this
> >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine
> >and
> >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
looking
> >at
> >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months.
> >He
> >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in
it's
> >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard
so I
> >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> >> >
> >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
> >policy?
> >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
quickly(!)
> >> >writing
> >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
> >> >motherboard
> >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
define
> >the
> >> >upper
> >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX
> >board
> >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
installed
> >up
> >> >to a
> >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update
does
> >not
> >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO,
the
> >> >best
> >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
> >> >fanatically
> >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the
Intel
> >> >web site
> >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> >> >>
> >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
bother,
> >> >given its
> >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
> >processor
> >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
premium
> >must
> >> >be
> >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything
for
> >me
> >> >or
> >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> >motherboard
> >> >and
> >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since
I
> >was
> >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
sent
> >> >email
> >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
> >> >maximum
> >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it
> >for a
> >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
> >> >doesn't
> >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't
> >want
> >> >to
> >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06
> >and
> >> >2.8
> >> >> >is not
> >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
negligible
> >> >when
> >> >> >memory
> >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
> >> >> >considered.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
while.
> >> >Will
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question
to
> >> >> >ascertain is
> >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as
> >they
> >> >> >are, the
> >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
> >stops,
> >> >the
> >> >> >prices
> >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
> >1.8A/400
> >> >> >GHz
> >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
> >> >(DDR266).
> >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> >installed.
> >> >One
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> >Hyper-threading
> >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> >indicates
> >> >it
> >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel
845G
> >> >> >chipset.
> >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor
on
> >this
> >> >> >puppy
> >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive.
Am I
> >> >> >rushing
> >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
Threading
> >> >(Newegg
> >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> >shipping).
> >> >Not
> >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
concensus
> >> >there?
> >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
along
> >> >with
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for
$50
> >to
> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or
> >should
> >> >I
> >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
> >> >> >disappearing
> >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 10, 2004 3:19:51 AM

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Hmmm... NewEgg and ZipZoomFly has a 15 day return policy and a 15%
restocking fee for CPUs. Wonder if it's worth $25-35 to try a P4 3.06?
Anybody ever dealt with either one for a CPU refund? Simple and straight
forward or do they put you through the wringer?


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel web
site,
> the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
>
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
>
> These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
variation is
> full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if
at all
> possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
> controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
Intel
> docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
>
> Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure out
which
> one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
controlling
> factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad news
is
> that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not affix
the
> AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision
you've
> got.
>
> You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.
>
> ... Ben Myers
>
> On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
original
> >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
> >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
> >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports
2GB
> >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
> >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> >
> >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
> >
> >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on the
> >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
> >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of the
> >fixes:
> >
> >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in use."
> >
> >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN Gateway
> >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
> >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> >
> >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
D845GRG
> >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white sticker
> >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> >
> >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
think
> >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
> >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
> >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
does
> >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment less
> >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> >
> >
> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
other
> >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you, but
> >void the
> >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
brands
> >wants
> >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
warranty
> >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow pies.
> >>
> >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
chassis
> >and
> >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the BIOS
> >ID.
> >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
possible
> >for
> >> your system.
> >>
> >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
sticks
> >of
> >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
> >probably
> >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> >>
> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I
sent
> >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
> >> >response:
> >> >
> >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
configuration
> >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
> >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives
and
> >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
different
> >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
between
> >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
> >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> >> >
> >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
computer.
> >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
> >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade
the
> >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> >> >
> >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of
> >this
> >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine
> >and
> >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
looking
> >at
> >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months.
> >He
> >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in
it's
> >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard
so I
> >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> >> >
> >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
> >policy?
> >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
quickly(!)
> >> >writing
> >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
> >> >motherboard
> >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
define
> >the
> >> >upper
> >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX
> >board
> >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
installed
> >up
> >> >to a
> >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update
does
> >not
> >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO,
the
> >> >best
> >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
> >> >fanatically
> >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the
Intel
> >> >web site
> >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> >> >>
> >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
bother,
> >> >given its
> >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
> >processor
> >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
premium
> >must
> >> >be
> >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything
for
> >me
> >> >or
> >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> >motherboard
> >> >and
> >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since
I
> >was
> >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
sent
> >> >email
> >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
> >> >maximum
> >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it
> >for a
> >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
> >> >doesn't
> >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't
> >want
> >> >to
> >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06
> >and
> >> >2.8
> >> >> >is not
> >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
negligible
> >> >when
> >> >> >memory
> >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
> >> >> >considered.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
while.
> >> >Will
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question
to
> >> >> >ascertain is
> >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as
> >they
> >> >> >are, the
> >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
> >stops,
> >> >the
> >> >> >prices
> >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
> >1.8A/400
> >> >> >GHz
> >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
> >> >(DDR266).
> >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> >installed.
> >> >One
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> >Hyper-threading
> >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> >indicates
> >> >it
> >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel
845G
> >> >> >chipset.
> >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor
on
> >this
> >> >> >puppy
> >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive.
Am I
> >> >> >rushing
> >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
Threading
> >> >(Newegg
> >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> >shipping).
> >> >Not
> >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
concensus
> >> >there?
> >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
along
> >> >with
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for
$50
> >to
> >> >> >help
> >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or
> >should
> >> >I
> >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
> >> >> >disappearing
> >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
May 10, 2004 3:40:38 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

D845GRG would be listed under OEM products only:
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filt...
--
Rocket


"bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:109tjvro9spjb58@corp.supernews.com...
> The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel web
> site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2 and
> it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector grumble
> grumble).
>
> I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't have
> anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to assume
> the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment from
> Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open
question
> is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a $200
> mistake.
>
> Thanks for all your help with this!
>
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> > The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel
web
> site,
> > the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
> >
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
> >
> > These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
> variation is
> > full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if
> at all
> > possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
> > controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
> Intel
> > docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
> >
> > Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure
out
> which
> > one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
> controlling
> > factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad
news
> is
> > that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not
affix
> the
> > AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision
> you've
> > got.
> >
> > You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.
> >
> > ... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
> original
> > >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
> > >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> > >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
> > >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports
> 2GB
> > >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
> > >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> > >
> > >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
> > >
> > >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on
the
> > >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
> > >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of
the
> > >fixes:
> > >
> > >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in
use."
> > >
> > >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> > >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> > >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN
Gateway
> > >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
> > >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> > >
> > >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
> D845GRG
> > >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white
sticker
> > >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> > >
> > >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
> think
> > >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
> > >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
> > >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
> does
> > >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment
less
> > >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> > >
> > >
> > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> > >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
> other
> > >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you,
but
> > >void the
> > >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
> brands
> > >wants
> > >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
> warranty
> > >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow
pies.
> > >>
> > >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
> chassis
> > >and
> > >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the
BIOS
> > >ID.
> > >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
> possible
> > >for
> > >> your system.
> > >>
> > >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
> sticks
> > >of
> > >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
> > >probably
> > >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I
> sent
> > >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got
this
> > >> >response:
> > >> >
> > >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> > >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> > >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
> configuration
> > >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
> > >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> > >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes.
Drives
> and
> > >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
> different
> > >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
> between
> > >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
> > >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> > >> >
> > >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
> computer.
> > >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be
more
> > >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade
> the
> > >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> > >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> > >> >
> > >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most
of
> > >this
> > >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is
fine
> > >and
> > >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
> looking
> > >at
> > >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8
months.
> > >He
> > >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in
> it's
> > >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard
> so I
> > >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> > >> >
> > >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
> > >policy?
> > >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
> quickly(!)
> > >> >writing
> > >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the
EXACT
> > >> >motherboard
> > >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
> define
> > >the
> > >> >upper
> > >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM
mATX
> > >board
> > >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
> installed
> > >up
> > >> >to a
> > >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update
> does
> > >not
> > >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO,
> the
> > >> >best
> > >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not
revised
> > >> >fanatically
> > >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the
> Intel
> > >> >web site
> > >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
> bother,
> > >> >given its
> > >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
> > >processor
> > >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
> premium
> > >must
> > >> >be
> > >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do
anything
> for
> > >me
> > >> >or
> > >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> > >motherboard
> > >> >and
> > >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me
since
> I
> > >was
> > >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
> sent
> > >> >email
> > >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate
the
> > >> >maximum
> > >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do
it
> > >for a
> > >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest
BIOS
> > >> >doesn't
> > >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really
don't
> > >want
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
message
> > >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between
3.06
> > >and
> > >> >2.8
> > >> >> >is not
> > >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
> negligible
> > >> >when
> > >> >> >memory
> > >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
> > >> >> >considered.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
> while.
> > >> >Will
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real
question
> to
> > >> >> >ascertain is
> > >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long
as
> > >they
> > >> >> >are, the
> > >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
> > >stops,
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >prices
> > >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy"
<bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
> > >1.8A/400
> > >> >> >GHz
> > >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
> > >> >(DDR266).
> > >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> > >installed.
> > >> >One
> > >> >> >of
> > >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> > >Hyper-threading
> > >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> > >indicates
> > >> >it
> > >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel
> 845G
> > >> >> >chipset.
> > >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor
> on
> > >this
> > >> >> >puppy
> > >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive.
> Am I
> > >> >> >rushing
> > >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while
longer?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
> Threading
> > >> >(Newegg
> > >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> > >shipping).
> > >> >Not
> > >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
> concensus
> > >> >there?
> > >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
> along
> > >> >with
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for
> $50
> > >to
> > >> >> >help
> > >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it
or
> > >should
> > >> >I
> > >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors
start
> > >> >> >disappearing
> > >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 10, 2004 5:28:54 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

For the D845GEBV2 and D845GERG2 boards, the Intel web site indicates
that Pentium processors up to 3.06GHz are supported with INTEL'S GENERIC P09
BIOS. FWIW, Celerons up to 2.8GHz are also supported. How the Gateway BIOS and
the Intel BIOS relate to one another is a good question. The D845GRG is
evidently an AGP-less version of the board made just for Gateway (and probably
Dell and a few others). Intel has no information about the D845GRG on its web
site.

I'd say that the odds are good that your D845GRG will support the faster
processors as documented for VERY similar boards on the Intel web site. Update
the board with the latest GATEWAY BIOS first, before installing a faster
processor. Be aware that there are always some risks associated with both BIOS
flashing and installing a faster processor... Ben Myers

On Sun, 9 May 2004 20:46:40 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel web
>site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2 and
>it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector grumble
>grumble).
>
>I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't have
>anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to assume
>the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment from
>Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open question
>is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a $200
>mistake.
>
>Thanks for all your help with this!
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
>> The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel web
>site,
>> the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
>>
>> Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
>> Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
>> Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
>> Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
>>
>> These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
>variation is
>> full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if
>at all
>> possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
>> controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
>Intel
>> docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
>>
>> Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure out
>which
>> one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
>controlling
>> factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad news
>is
>> that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not affix
>the
>> AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision
>you've
>> got.
>>
>> You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.
>>
>> ... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
>original
>> >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
>> >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
>> >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
>> >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports
>2GB
>> >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
>> >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
>> >
>> >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
>> >
>> >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on the
>> >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
>> >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of the
>> >fixes:
>> >
>> >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in use."
>> >
>> >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
>> >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
>> >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN Gateway
>> >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
>> >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
>> >
>> >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
>D845GRG
>> >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white sticker
>> >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
>> >
>> >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
>think
>> >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
>> >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
>> >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
>does
>> >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment less
>> >useful or prematurely obsolete.
>> >
>> >
>> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
>> >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
>other
>> >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you, but
>> >void the
>> >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
>brands
>> >wants
>> >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
>warranty
>> >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow pies.
>> >>
>> >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
>chassis
>> >and
>> >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the BIOS
>> >ID.
>> >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
>possible
>> >for
>> >> your system.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
>sticks
>> >of
>> >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
>> >probably
>> >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I
>sent
>> >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got this
>> >> >response:
>> >> >
>> >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
>> >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
>> >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
>configuration
>> >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
>> >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
>> >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes. Drives
>and
>> >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
>different
>> >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
>between
>> >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
>> >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
>computer.
>> >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be more
>> >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade
>the
>> >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
>> >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
>> >> >
>> >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most of
>> >this
>> >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is fine
>> >and
>> >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
>looking
>> >at
>> >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8 months.
>> >He
>> >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in
>it's
>> >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard
>so I
>> >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
>> >> >
>> >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
>> >policy?
>> >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
>> >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
>quickly(!)
>> >> >writing
>> >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the EXACT
>> >> >motherboard
>> >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
>define
>> >the
>> >> >upper
>> >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM mATX
>> >board
>> >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
>installed
>> >up
>> >> >to a
>> >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update
>does
>> >not
>> >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO,
>the
>> >> >best
>> >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not revised
>> >> >fanatically
>> >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the
>Intel
>> >> >web site
>> >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
>bother,
>> >> >given its
>> >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
>> >processor
>> >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
>premium
>> >must
>> >> >be
>> >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do anything
>for
>> >me
>> >> >or
>> >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
>> >motherboard
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me since
>I
>> >was
>> >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
>sent
>> >> >email
>> >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate the
>> >> >maximum
>> >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do it
>> >for a
>> >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest BIOS
>> >> >doesn't
>> >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really don't
>> >want
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
>> >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between 3.06
>> >and
>> >> >2.8
>> >> >> >is not
>> >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
>negligible
>> >> >when
>> >> >> >memory
>> >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
>> >> >> >considered.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
>while.
>> >> >Will
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real question
>to
>> >> >> >ascertain is
>> >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long as
>> >they
>> >> >> >are, the
>> >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
>> >stops,
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >prices
>> >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
>> >1.8A/400
>> >> >> >GHz
>> >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
>> >> >(DDR266).
>> >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
>> >installed.
>> >> >One
>> >> >> >of
>> >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
>> >Hyper-threading
>> >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
>> >indicates
>> >> >it
>> >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel
>845G
>> >> >> >chipset.
>> >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor
>on
>> >this
>> >> >> >puppy
>> >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive.
>Am I
>> >> >> >rushing
>> >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while longer?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
>Threading
>> >> >(Newegg
>> >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
>> >shipping).
>> >> >Not
>> >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
>concensus
>> >> >there?
>> >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
>along
>> >> >with
>> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for
>$50
>> >to
>> >> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it or
>> >should
>> >> >I
>> >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors start
>> >> >> >disappearing
>> >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 10, 2004 8:05:34 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Good point. With OEM boards, Intel's past track record is haphazard.
Sometimes the spec is there for an OEM board, sometimes not. A Google search
turned up a URL which links to the following URL, which has the tech spec and
update:

http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/rg/rg_prdoc.htm

.... Ben Myers

On Mon, 10 May 2004 11:40:38 -0400, "Rocket" <rocket@spamcop.net> wrote:

>D845GRG would be listed under OEM products only:
>http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filt...
>--
>Rocket
>
>
>"bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:109tjvro9spjb58@corp.supernews.com...
>> The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel web
>> site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2 and
>> it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector grumble
>> grumble).
>>
>> I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't have
>> anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to assume
>> the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment from
>> Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open
>question
>> is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a $200
>> mistake.
>>
>> Thanks for all your help with this!
>>
>> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
>> > The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel
>web
>> site,
>> > the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
>> >
>> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
>> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
>> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
>> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
>> >
>> > These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
>> variation is
>> > full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if
>> at all
>> > possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
>> > controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
>> Intel
>> > docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
>> >
>> > Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure
>out
>> which
>> > one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
>> controlling
>> > factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad
>news
>> is
>> > that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not
>affix
>> the
>> > AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision
>> you've
>> > got.
>> >
>> > You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.
>> >
>> > ... Ben Myers
>> >
>> > On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
>> original
>> > >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
>> > >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
>> > >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
>> > >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports
>> 2GB
>> > >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
>> > >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
>> > >
>> > >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
>> > >
>> > >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on
>the
>> > >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
>> > >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of
>the
>> > >fixes:
>> > >
>> > >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in
>use."
>> > >
>> > >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
>> > >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
>> > >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN
>Gateway
>> > >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
>> > >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
>> > >
>> > >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
>> D845GRG
>> > >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white
>sticker
>> > >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
>> > >
>> > >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
>> think
>> > >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
>> > >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
>> > >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
>> does
>> > >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment
>less
>> > >useful or prematurely obsolete.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> > >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
>> > >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
>> other
>> > >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you,
>but
>> > >void the
>> > >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
>> brands
>> > >wants
>> > >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
>> warranty
>> > >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow
>pies.
>> > >>
>> > >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
>> chassis
>> > >and
>> > >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the
>BIOS
>> > >ID.
>> > >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
>> possible
>> > >for
>> > >> your system.
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
>> sticks
>> > >of
>> > >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
>> > >probably
>> > >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I
>> sent
>> > >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got
>this
>> > >> >response:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
>> > >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
>> > >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
>> configuration
>> > >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
>> > >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
>> > >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes.
>Drives
>> and
>> > >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
>> different
>> > >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
>> between
>> > >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
>> > >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
>> computer.
>> > >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be
>more
>> > >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade
>> the
>> > >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
>> > >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
>> > >> >
>> > >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most
>of
>> > >this
>> > >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is
>fine
>> > >and
>> > >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
>> looking
>> > >at
>> > >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8
>months.
>> > >He
>> > >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in
>> it's
>> > >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard
>> so I
>> > >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
>> > >policy?
>> > >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>> > >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
>> > >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
>> quickly(!)
>> > >> >writing
>> > >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the
>EXACT
>> > >> >motherboard
>> > >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
>> define
>> > >the
>> > >> >upper
>> > >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM
>mATX
>> > >board
>> > >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
>> installed
>> > >up
>> > >> >to a
>> > >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update
>> does
>> > >not
>> > >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO,
>> the
>> > >> >best
>> > >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not
>revised
>> > >> >fanatically
>> > >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the
>> Intel
>> > >> >web site
>> > >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
>> bother,
>> > >> >given its
>> > >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
>> > >processor
>> > >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
>> premium
>> > >must
>> > >> >be
>> > >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do
>anything
>> for
>> > >me
>> > >> >or
>> > >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
>> > >motherboard
>> > >> >and
>> > >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me
>since
>> I
>> > >was
>> > >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
>> sent
>> > >> >email
>> > >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate
>the
>> > >> >maximum
>> > >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do
>it
>> > >for a
>> > >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest
>BIOS
>> > >> >doesn't
>> > >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really
>don't
>> > >want
>> > >> >to
>> > >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
>message
>> > >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
>> > >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between
>3.06
>> > >and
>> > >> >2.8
>> > >> >> >is not
>> > >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
>> negligible
>> > >> >when
>> > >> >> >memory
>> > >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
>> > >> >> >considered.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
>> while.
>> > >> >Will
>> > >> >> >the
>> > >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real
>question
>> to
>> > >> >> >ascertain is
>> > >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long
>as
>> > >they
>> > >> >> >are, the
>> > >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
>> > >stops,
>> > >> >the
>> > >> >> >prices
>> > >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy"
><bootsy@hotmail.com>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
>> > >1.8A/400
>> > >> >> >GHz
>> > >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
>> > >> >(DDR266).
>> > >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
>> > >installed.
>> > >> >One
>> > >> >> >of
>> > >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
>> > >Hyper-threading
>> > >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
>> > >indicates
>> > >> >it
>> > >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel
>> 845G
>> > >> >> >chipset.
>> > >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor
>> on
>> > >this
>> > >> >> >puppy
>> > >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive.
>> Am I
>> > >> >> >rushing
>> > >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while
>longer?
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
>> Threading
>> > >> >(Newegg
>> > >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
>> > >shipping).
>> > >> >Not
>> > >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
>> concensus
>> > >> >there?
>> > >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
>> along
>> > >> >with
>> > >> >> >the
>> > >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for
>> $50
>> > >to
>> > >> >> >help
>> > >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it
>or
>> > >should
>> > >> >I
>> > >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors
>start
>> > >> >> >disappearing
>> > >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 11, 2004 2:34:31 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Thanks for the pointer. Poking around I found this list of supported
processors:

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d...

It goes up to the P4 2.8GHz / 533MHz. It doesn't include the 3.06GHz / 533
with HT. Does the 845 chipset support or need to support HT? Strange it
would stop at 2.8 but not if there was a problem supporting HT.

I'm leaning towards spinning the wheel on the 2.8GHz since the 3.06HT/533 is
quite a bit more and I'm not sure HT will get me anything (assuming it even
works).



"Rocket" <rocket@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:nPmdnR3sw7voPwLdRVn-ig@comcast.com...
> D845GRG would be listed under OEM products only:
>
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filt...
> --
> Rocket
>
>
> "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:109tjvro9spjb58@corp.supernews.com...
> > The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel web
> > site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2
and
> > it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector grumble
> > grumble).
> >
> > I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't have
> > anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to
assume
> > the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment from
> > Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open
> question
> > is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a
$200
> > mistake.
> >
> > Thanks for all your help with this!
> >
> > <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> > > The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel
> web
> > site,
> > > the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
> > >
> > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
> > >
> > > These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
> > variation is
> > > full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have,
if
> > at all
> > > possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
> > > controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
> > Intel
> > > docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
> > >
> > > Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure
> out
> > which
> > > one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
> > controlling
> > > factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad
> news
> > is
> > > that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not
> affix
> > the
> > > AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which
revision
> > you've
> > > got.
> > >
> > > You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the
board.
> > >
> > > ... Ben Myers
> > >
> > > On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
> > original
> > > >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number
but
> > > >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> > > >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
> > > >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it
supports
> > 2GB
> > > >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet.
Doesn't
> > > >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> > > >
> > >
>http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
> > > >
> > > >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on
> the
> > > >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is
some
> > > >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of
> the
> > > >fixes:
> > > >
> > > >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in
> use."
> > > >
> > > >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> > > >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> > > >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN
> Gateway
> > > >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their
BIOS
> > > >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> > > >
> > > >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
> > D845GRG
> > > >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white
> sticker
> > > >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> > > >
> > > >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
> > think
> > > >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This
REALLY
> > > >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest
in
> > > >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
> > does
> > > >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment
> less
> > > >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > > >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> > > >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
> > other
> > > >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you,
> but
> > > >void the
> > > >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
> > brands
> > > >wants
> > > >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
> > warranty
> > > >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow
> pies.
> > > >>
> > > >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
> > chassis
> > > >and
> > > >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the
> BIOS
> > > >ID.
> > > >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
> > possible
> > > >for
> > > >> your system.
> > > >>
> > > >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
> > sticks
> > > >of
> > > >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB
is
> > > >probably
> > > >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when
I
> > sent
> > > >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got
> this
> > > >> >response:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> > > >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> > > >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
> > configuration
> > > >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even
if
> > > >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> > > >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes.
> Drives
> > and
> > > >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
> > different
> > > >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
> > between
> > > >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much.
Many
> > > >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
> > computer.
> > > >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be
> more
> > > >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can
upgrade
> > the
> > > >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> > > >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> > > >> >
> > > >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and
most
> of
> > > >this
> > > >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is
> fine
> > > >and
> > > >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
> > looking
> > > >at
> > > >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8
> months.
> > > >He
> > > >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway
in
> > it's
> > > >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the
motherboard
> > so I
> > > >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good
return
> > > >policy?
> > > >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > > >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> > > >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
> > quickly(!)
> > > >> >writing
> > > >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the
> EXACT
> > > >> >motherboard
> > > >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
> > define
> > > >the
> > > >> >upper
> > > >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM
> mATX
> > > >board
> > > >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
> > installed
> > > >up
> > > >> >to a
> > > >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec
update
> > does
> > > >not
> > > >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are
(IMHO,
> > the
> > > >> >best
> > > >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not
> revised
> > > >> >fanatically
> > > >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often,
the
> > Intel
> > > >> >web site
> > > >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
> > bother,
> > > >> >given its
> > > >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
> > > >processor
> > > >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
> > premium
> > > >must
> > > >> >be
> > > >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do
> anything
> > for
> > > >me
> > > >> >or
> > > >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> > > >motherboard
> > > >> >and
> > > >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me
> since
> > I
> > > >was
> > > >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
> > sent
> > > >> >email
> > > >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate
> the
> > > >> >maximum
> > > >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to
do
> it
> > > >for a
> > > >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest
> BIOS
> > > >> >doesn't
> > > >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really
> don't
> > > >want
> > > >> >to
> > > >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
> message
> > > >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> > > >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between
> 3.06
> > > >and
> > > >> >2.8
> > > >> >> >is not
> > > >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
> > negligible
> > > >> >when
> > > >> >> >memory
> > > >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors
are
> > > >> >> >considered.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
> > while.
> > > >> >Will
> > > >> >> >the
> > > >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real
> question
> > to
> > > >> >> >ascertain is
> > > >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As
long
> as
> > > >they
> > > >> >> >are, the
> > > >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as
production
> > > >stops,
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >> >prices
> > > >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy"
> <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a
P4
> > > >1.8A/400
> > > >> >> >GHz
> > > >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of
PC-2100
> > > >> >(DDR266).
> > > >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> > > >installed.
> > > >> >One
> > > >> >> >of
> > > >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> > > >Hyper-threading
> > > >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> > > >indicates
> > > >> >it
> > > >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the
Intel
> > 845G
> > > >> >> >chipset.
> > > >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the
processor
> > on
> > > >this
> > > >> >> >puppy
> > > >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too
expensive.
> > Am I
> > > >> >> >rushing
> > > >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while
> longer?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
> > Threading
> > > >> >(Newegg
> > > >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> > > >shipping).
> > > >> >Not
> > > >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
> > concensus
> > > >> >there?
> > > >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
> > along
> > > >> >with
> > > >> >> >the
> > > >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan
for
> > $50
> > > >to
> > > >> >> >help
> > > >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it
> or
> > > >should
> > > >> >I
> > > >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors
> start
> > > >> >> >disappearing
> > > >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 14, 2004 2:23:27 AM

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Well, I decided to send email to Intel support and they responded very
quickly. The D845GRG does NOT support the 3.06GHZ/533/HT processor. I
guess I'll give the 2.8/533 a shot.

Anybody in the market for a 1.8GHz/400 with heatsink and fan? NewEgg is
selling them new for $109 (retail). Guess 50% off would be a far price
(plus shipping)?


"bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:-L6dneBTjqHEeT3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> Thanks for the pointer. Poking around I found this list of supported
> processors:
>
>
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d...
>
> It goes up to the P4 2.8GHz / 533MHz. It doesn't include the 3.06GHz /
533
> with HT. Does the 845 chipset support or need to support HT? Strange it
> would stop at 2.8 but not if there was a problem supporting HT.
>
> I'm leaning towards spinning the wheel on the 2.8GHz since the 3.06HT/533
is
> quite a bit more and I'm not sure HT will get me anything (assuming it
even
> works).
>
>
>
> "Rocket" <rocket@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:nPmdnR3sw7voPwLdRVn-ig@comcast.com...
> > D845GRG would be listed under OEM products only:
> >
>
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filt...
> > --
> > Rocket
> >
> >
> > "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:109tjvro9spjb58@corp.supernews.com...
> > > The motherboard is a micro ATX. I didn't see a D845GRG on the Intel
web
> > > site and that IS what the board has etched on it. I saw the D845GERG2
> and
> > > it looks exactly like what I have (except with no AGP connector
grumble
> > > grumble).
> > >
> > > I looked at the documentation for the Intel BIOSes and they didn't
have
> > > anything in them about the processors supported. So is it safe to
> assume
> > > the support is built in for any 400 or 533 processor? That comment
from
> > > Gateways BIOS documentation mentioning HT gives me hope. The open
> > question
> > > is whether it is false hope or real hope! I'd really hate to make a
> $200
> > > mistake.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help with this!
> > >
> > > <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > > news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> > > > The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the
Intel
> > web
> > > site,
> > > > the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
> > > >
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> > > > Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
> > > >
> > > > These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
> > > variation is
> > > > full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you
have,
> if
> > > at all
> > > > possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are
the
> > > > controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from
the
> > > Intel
> > > > docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
> > > >
> > > > Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to
figure
> > out
> > > which
> > > > one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
> > > controlling
> > > > factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The
bad
> > news
> > > is
> > > > that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not
> > affix
> > > the
> > > > AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which
> revision
> > > you've
> > > > got.
> > > >
> > > > You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the
> board.
> > > >
> > > > ... Ben Myers
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
> > > original
> > > > >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number
> but
> > > > >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> > > > >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states
it
> > > > >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it
> supports
> > > 2GB
> > > > >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet.
> Doesn't
> > > > >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> > > > >
> > > >
> >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
> > > > >
> > > > >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS
on
> > the
> > > > >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is
> some
> > > > >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one
of
> > the
> > > > >fixes:
> > > > >
> > > > >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in
> > use."
> > > > >
> > > > >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> > > > >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> > > > >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN
> > Gateway
> > > > >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their
> BIOS
> > > > >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> > > > >
> > > > >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
> > > D845GRG
> > > > >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white
> > sticker
> > > > >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> > > > >
> > > > >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do
you
> > > think
> > > > >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This
> REALLY
> > > > >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested
interest
> in
> > > > >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But
it
> > > does
> > > > >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my
investment
> > less
> > > > >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > > > >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> > > > >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of
most
> > > other
> > > > >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell
you,
> > but
> > > > >void the
> > > > >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
> > > brands
> > > > >wants
> > > > >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
> > > warranty
> > > > >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow
> > pies.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
> > > chassis
> > > > >and
> > > > >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining
the
> > BIOS
> > > > >ID.
> > > > >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
> > > possible
> > > > >for
> > > > >> your system.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or
both
> > > sticks
> > > > >of
> > > > >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that
512MB
> is
> > > > >probably
> > > > >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but
when
> I
> > > sent
> > > > >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got
> > this
> > > > >> >response:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor
and
> > > > >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the
present
> > > > >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
> > > configuration
> > > > >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor.
Even
> if
> > > > >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> > > > >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes.
> > Drives
> > > and
> > > > >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
> > > different
> > > > >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
> > > between
> > > > >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much.
> Many
> > > > >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
> > > computer.
> > > > >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be
> > more
> > > > >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can
> upgrade
> > > the
> > > > >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two
up
> > > > >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and
> most
> > of
> > > > >this
> > > > >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that
is
> > fine
> > > > >and
> > > > >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't
bother
> > > looking
> > > > >at
> > > > >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8
> > months.
> > > > >He
> > > > >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway
> in
> > > it's
> > > > >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the
> motherboard
> > > so I
> > > > >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good
> return
> > > > >policy?
> > > > >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
message
> > > > >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> > > > >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
> > > quickly(!)
> > > > >> >writing
> > > > >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the
> > EXACT
> > > > >> >motherboard
> > > > >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to
better
> > > define
> > > > >the
> > > > >> >upper
> > > > >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV
OEM
> > mATX
> > > > >board
> > > > >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
> > > installed
> > > > >up
> > > > >> >to a
> > > > >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec
> update
> > > does
> > > > >not
> > > > >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are
> (IMHO,
> > > the
> > > > >> >best
> > > > >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not
> > revised
> > > > >> >fanatically
> > > > >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often,
> the
> > > Intel
> > > > >> >web site
> > > > >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
> > > bother,
> > > > >> >given its
> > > > >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy"
<bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on
the
> > > > >processor
> > > > >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
> > > premium
> > > > >must
> > > > >> >be
> > > > >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do
> > anything
> > > for
> > > > >me
> > > > >> >or
> > > > >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> > > > >motherboard
> > > > >> >and
> > > > >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me
> > since
> > > I
> > > > >was
> > > > >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it,
I
> > > sent
> > > > >> >email
> > > > >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They
indicate
> > the
> > > > >> >maximum
> > > > >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to
> do
> > it
> > > > >for a
> > > > >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the
latest
> > BIOS
> > > > >> >doesn't
> > > > >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really
> > don't
> > > > >want
> > > > >> >to
> > > > >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
> > message
> > > > >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> > > > >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference
between
> > 3.06
> > > > >and
> > > > >> >2.8
> > > > >> >> >is not
> > > > >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
> > > negligible
> > > > >> >when
> > > > >> >> >memory
> > > > >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors
> are
> > > > >> >> >considered.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
> > > while.
> > > > >> >Will
> > > > >> >> >the
> > > > >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real
> > question
> > > to
> > > > >> >> >ascertain is
> > > > >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As
> long
> > as
> > > > >they
> > > > >> >> >are, the
> > > > >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as
> production
> > > > >stops,
> > > > >> >the
> > > > >> >> >prices
> > > > >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy"
> > <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a
> P4
> > > > >1.8A/400
> > > > >> >> >GHz
> > > > >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of
> PC-2100
> > > > >> >(DDR266).
> > > > >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> > > > >installed.
> > > > >> >One
> > > > >> >> >of
> > > > >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> > > > >Hyper-threading
> > > > >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> > > > >indicates
> > > > >> >it
> > > > >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the
> Intel
> > > 845G
> > > > >> >> >chipset.
> > > > >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the
> processor
> > > on
> > > > >this
> > > > >> >> >puppy
> > > > >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too
> expensive.
> > > Am I
> > > > >> >> >rushing
> > > > >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while
> > longer?
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
> > > Threading
> > > > >> >(Newegg
> > > > >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> > > > >shipping).
> > > > >> >Not
> > > > >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
> > > concensus
> > > > >> >there?
> > > > >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year
warranty
> > > along
> > > > >> >with
> > > > >> >> >the
> > > > >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan
> for
> > > $50
> > > > >to
> > > > >> >> >help
> > > > >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for
it
> > or
> > > > >should
> > > > >> >I
> > > > >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors
> > start
> > > > >> >> >disappearing
> > > > >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
May 14, 2004 2:23:28 AM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

> Anybody in the market for a 1.8GHz/400 with heatsink and fan? NewEgg is
> selling them new for $109 (retail). Guess 50% off would be a far price
> (plus shipping)?

How does it compare to my Celeron 2.6? Ben? Edward?
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 14, 2004 4:34:19 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

FWIW, I think I would stick with the Celeron. The P4 has a larger external
cache, but both CPUs run at 400MHz FSB, so there is no difference in bus speed.
To me, it's not worth either the time or the money to replace a 2.6GHz Celeron
with a 1.8GHz P4.

Now if we were talking about the replacement of a 2GHz or slower Celeron, maybe
it would be worth the time and money... Ben Myers

On Thu, 13 May 2004 22:12:24 -0700, "Tim" <Tim@XHemplemans.com> wrote:

>> Anybody in the market for a 1.8GHz/400 with heatsink and fan? NewEgg is
>> selling them new for $109 (retail). Guess 50% off would be a far price
>> (plus shipping)?
>
>How does it compare to my Celeron 2.6? Ben? Edward?
>
>
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 16, 2004 8:50:03 PM

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> The D845GRG does NOT support the 3.06GHZ/533/HT processor. I
>guess I'll give the 2.8/533 a shot.

IIRC, only 845PE/GE boards released at the end of 2002 and later
properly supported the 3.06GHz p4 because of ampage/wattage issues and
proper support for hyperthreading (which makes the CPU even more hot).
Your 845G board might run on a 3.06, but hyperthreading should be
disabled through the BIOS setup, if your BIOS supports such an option.
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
May 16, 2004 9:02:12 PM

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>How does it compare to my Celeron 2.6? Ben? Edward?

The p4 Celeron, due to it's measly 128k L2 cache, is pathetic. Even a
lowly 1.6GHz Duron stomps all over it.

Take a look at anandtech's benchmark comparison between a P4-based
Celeron with other processors.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=2

The 1.8GHz p4 beats a 2.6 Celeron in the majority of benchmarks!!!
May 16, 2004 9:02:13 PM

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Fantastic comparison! I've been bidding on 2.6 P4s, but it seems a 2 or 2.4
would not only be faster, but easier to obtain.
"lyon_wonder" <lyon_wonder@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mgofa0lecackuk8v0i7cl0kle0e45bj5fc@4ax.com...
> >How does it compare to my Celeron 2.6? Ben? Edward?
>
> The p4 Celeron, due to it's measly 128k L2 cache, is pathetic. Even a
> lowly 1.6GHz Duron stomps all over it.
>
> Take a look at anandtech's benchmark comparison between a P4-based
> Celeron with other processors.
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=2
>
> The 1.8GHz p4 beats a 2.6 Celeron in the majority of benchmarks!!!
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
June 6, 2004 2:35:50 PM

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Well, I decided to give the P4 2.8Ghz/533 processor a shot. Even though
Gateway's information on their website says that this motherboard supports
533 processors, it appears the BIOS DOES NOT! The system starts to boot and
recognizes the processor as a 533 and says it can't run it at 533 but at
2.1Ghz/400Mhz. Intel also stated this motherboard supports 533 but it
appears Gateway may have crippled this system with this BIOS. What the f*&%
is up with that?!

This type of thing is all the more reason to dump these damn computer makers
and build your own. I boxed the processor back up and returned it so I'm
out the restocking fee. 2.1 was not a big enough improvement over 1.8 to
justify the cost of this processor.



"bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:109tsv2t7cbd5f@corp.supernews.com...
> Hmmm... NewEgg and ZipZoomFly has a 15 day return policy and a 15%
> restocking fee for CPUs. Wonder if it's worth $25-35 to try a P4 3.06?
> Anybody ever dealt with either one for a CPU refund? Simple and straight
> forward or do they put you through the wringer?
>
>
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:409ea7e0.30063588@news.charter.net...
> > The BIOS ID is the key: RG84510A.15A.0057.P19. According to the Intel
web
> site,
> > the board is one of the following, all of which use the same BIOS:
> >
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GBV
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GEBV2
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
> > Intel® Desktop Board D845GRG
> >
> > These boards have minor variations from one another. The biggest
> variation is
> > full ATX vs. micro ATX form factor. Figure out which board you have, if
> at all
> > possible. Forget(!!) any info from Gateway. The Intel specs are the
> > controlling documents, and Gateway sloppily repeats any info from the
> Intel
> > docs, hence the discrepancy about memory capacity.
> >
> > Go to www.intel.com , and look at the specs for these boards to figure
out
> which
> > one you've got. Once again, the Intel-supplied AA number is the
> controlling
> > factor to define exactly which processor the board supports. The bad
news
> is
> > that Gateway (and other name brands) sometimes demand that Intel not
affix
> the
> > AA# sticker to the motherboard, so you don't know exactly which revision
> you've
> > got.
> >
> > You are in luck because the AA A86577-300 number is still on the board.
> >
> > ... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Sun, 9 May 2004 13:54:55 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The Gateway part number is 2517198 (per their documentation of the
> original
> > >system). I don't see a sticker on the motherbard with this number but
> > >that's what they say I got. Now when I look at the Gateway support
> > >documents for this motherboard (see link below), it clearly states it
> > >supports 533MHz P4 processors. But the same specs also say it supports
> 2GB
> > >of memory and that is wrong according to the same spec sheet. Doesn't
> > >anybody proof read stuff anymore?
> > >
> > >http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2516231/251...
> > >
> > >I've got the RG84510A.15A.0057.P19 BIOS which is that latest BIOS on
the
> > >Gateway site. In the install instructions for this BIOS there is some
> > >documentation on the changes for P19 and this line appears as one of
the
> > >fixes:
> > >
> > >"* Fixed issue of HT branding not displayed when HT processor is in
use."
> > >
> > >Now, HT is Hyper Threading and that is ONLY available on the P4
> > >3.06GHz/533MHz processor. Is it logical to conclude that this BIOS
> > >therefore supports the 3.06/533 processor? Or am I crazed? DAMN
Gateway
> > >for not specifying exactly what processors are supported in their BIOS
> > >documention! Just too stinking logical I guess.
> > >
> > >There is an Intel marking directly on the motherboard: Intel Type
> D845GRG
> > >but I can't find it ont he Intel web site. There is also a white
sticker
> > >with "4000792" and "ABRG23141681 AA A86577-300".
> > >
> > >Should I risk getting a new 533 processor (2.8 or 3.06)? What do you
> think
> > >the chances are of it being recognized correctly? 50-50%? This REALLY
> > >shouldn't be so difficult. Of course Gateway has no vested interest in
> > >keeping my system slogging along longer with more horsepower. But it
> does
> > >leave a bad taste in my mouth that they *might* render my investment
less
> > >useful or prematurely obsolete.
> > >
> > >
> > ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >news:409bd081.22289786@news.charter.net...
> > >> Gateway's response, sadly, is consistent with the policies of most
> other
> > >> name-brand computers. They give a warranty for what they sell you,
but
> > >void the
> > >> warranty for CPU and operating system upgrades. None of the name
> brands
> > >wants
> > >> to bother with upgrades any more, even selling them. Your out of
> warranty
> > >> already anyway, so their response amounts to a large pile of cow
pies.
> > >>
> > >> Once again, identify the motherboard model EXACTLY. Open up the
> chassis
> > >and
> > >> write down the presumed Intel AA number as well as determining the
BIOS
> > >ID.
> > >> That is the only way you'll get a straight answer about what is
> possible
> > >for
> > >> your system.
> > >>
> > >> BTW, if you want to go above 512MB, you'll need to pull one or both
> sticks
> > >of
> > >> DDR, replacing them with higher capacity. But, I agree that 512MB is
> > >probably
> > >> OK for most use... Ben Myers
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 11:42:54 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Geez, I was impressed with Gateways first email response but when I
> sent
> > >> >back asking whether the P4 2.4 could be a 533 versus a 400 I got
this
> > >> >response:
> > >> >
> > >> >" unfortunately Gateway doesn't suggest and support processor and
> > >> > motherboard upgradation or replacement, as this voids the present
> > >> > warranty with the computer. The very reason is that the
> configuration
> > >> > of computer solely depends upon motherboard and processor. Even if
> > >> > computer is upgraded, even with a compatible processor and/or
> > >> > motherboard, the rest of the computer configuration changes.
Drives
> and
> > >> > devices connected to the motherboard start getting altogether
> different
> > >> > inputs and give different outputs. In short, the communication
> between
> > >> > processor and rest of the computer devices changes very much. Many
> > >> > times this change is either unexpected or unanswerable.
> > >> >
> > >> > There are many other ways to improve the performance of your
> computer.
> > >> > Simply, upgrading memory makes it run faster, as there would be
more
> > >> > room for programs to stay while running. Moreover, you can upgrade
> the
> > >> > video card that would make graphics display faster. These two up
> > >> > gradations would definitely increase the performance."
> > >> >
> > >> >The first paragraph contradicts the first email I received and most
of
> > >this
> > >> >is a bunch of malarkey! I've got 512MB of memory now and that is
fine
> > >and
> > >> >the two DIMM slots are full. This person obviously didn't bother
> looking
> > >at
> > >> >my serial number because I have been out of warranty now for 8
months.
> > >He
> > >> >doesn's appear to know the 500SE too well either because Gateway in
> it's
> > >> >infinite wisdom didn't put the damn AGP connector on the motherboard
> so I
> > >> >doubt a PCI video card is going to be an improvement!
> > >> >
> > >> >Anybody know of a good place that sells CPUs that has a good return
> > >policy?
> > >> >Getting a straight answer is not going well.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> > >> >news:409b933e.6604030@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> Either by running Sisoft's Sandra or another utility, or by
> quickly(!)
> > >> >writing
> > >> >> down info when the computer is first powered on, find out the
EXACT
> > >> >motherboard
> > >> >> BIOS ID. This, along with any BIOS update, will help to better
> define
> > >the
> > >> >upper
> > >> >> limit on processor speed with the board.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have taken other Intel-made boards (even a Gateway D845HV OEM
mATX
> > >board
> > >> >> flashed with a generic Intel BIOS using sleight of hand) and
> installed
> > >up
> > >> >to a
> > >> >> 2.8GHz Celeron when neither the original spec nor the spec update
> does
> > >not
> > >> >> describe a processor this fast. As good as Intel specs are (IMHO,
> the
> > >> >best
> > >> >> motherboard specs in the biz), the "paper" PDF specs are not
revised
> > >> >fanatically
> > >> >> to reflect the lastest in supported processor speeds. Often, the
> Intel
> > >> >web site
> > >> >> DOES contain an up-to-date list of supported processors.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You're probably right. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is hardly worth the
> bother,
> > >> >given its
> > >> >> street price of over $100... Ben Myers
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:50:58 -0400, "bootsy" <bootsy@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Thanks for the reply Ben. I was thinking the same thing on the
> > >processor
> > >> >> >difference since there was such a big price difference. The
> premium
> > >must
> > >> >be
> > >> >> >for the HT capability of the 3.06 but will that really do
anything
> for
> > >me
> > >> >or
> > >> >> >is it just Intel marketing hype to bolster their bottom line?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I looked through the processors that Gateway sold with this
> > >motherboard
> > >> >and
> > >> >> >it doesn't look like they went this high. That concerned me
since
> I
> > >was
> > >> >> >concerned the BIOS might not support it. For the heck of it, I
> sent
> > >> >email
> > >> >> >to Gateway support and got a very quick answer. They indicate
the
> > >> >maximum
> > >> >> >processor speed is 2.4GHz. Damn. Now I'm not sure I want to do
it
> > >for a
> > >> >> >2.4GHz processor. Of course the BIOS info file for the latest
BIOS
> > >> >doesn't
> > >> >> >say anything on what the BIOS will support.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Has anybody actually tried a processor over 2.4GHz? I really
don't
> > >want
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >risk nearly 200 clams and not have the processor recognized.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> ><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in
message
> > >> >> >news:409b8412.2719747@news.charter.net...
> > >> >> >> All I can say for sure is that the 206MHz difference between
3.06
> > >and
> > >> >2.8
> > >> >> >is not
> > >> >> >> worth $55. That's about 7% difference in raw CPU power,
> negligible
> > >> >when
> > >> >> >memory
> > >> >> >> accesses, disk accesses, network traffic, and other factors are
> > >> >> >considered.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I think that the 533MHz bus processors will be around for a
> while.
> > >> >Will
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> prices go up or down? I don't know for sure. The real
question
> to
> > >> >> >ascertain is
> > >> >> >> whether or not they are still in production by Intel. As long
as
> > >they
> > >> >> >are, the
> > >> >> >> price will remain stable or drop a bit. As soon as production
> > >stops,
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >prices
> > >> >> >> will ease back up again.... Ben Myers
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:50:45 -0400, "bootsy"
<bootsy@hotmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >I've got a Gateway 500SE with the Nimitz motherboard and a P4
> > >1.8A/400
> > >> >> >GHz
> > >> >> >> >processor. I have increased system memory to 512MB of PC-2100
> > >> >(DDR266).
> > >> >> >> >The system is about 1.5 years old and has the latest BIOS
> > >installed.
> > >> >One
> > >> >> >of
> > >> >> >> >the comments in the latest BIOS alluded to a fix for a
> > >Hyper-threading
> > >> >> >> >processor so I am assuming the board supports HT.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >The documentation on the Gateway site for this motherboard
> > >indicates
> > >> >it
> > >> >> >> >supports both 400 and 533 system bus speeds. It has the Intel
> 845G
> > >> >> >chipset.
> > >> >> >> >I am thinking it might be a good time to max out the processor
> on
> > >this
> > >> >> >puppy
> > >> >> >> >before the processors start becoming scarce or too expensive.
> Am I
> > >> >> >rushing
> > >> >> >> >it or will these 533MHz processors be around for a while
longer?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I'm thinking of getting either a 3.06GHz/533 with Hyper
> Threading
> > >> >(Newegg
> > >> >> >> >$221 w/free shipping) or a 2.8GHz/533 (Newegg $166 w/free
> > >shipping).
> > >> >Not
> > >> >> >> >sure whether the HT is worth all that money. What's the
> concensus
> > >> >there?
> > >> >> >> >Those prices are retail so I'll be getting a 3 year warranty
> along
> > >> >with
> > >> >> >the
> > >> >> >> >fan and heat sink.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >I can try to sell the old P4-1.8/400 with heatsink and fan for
> $50
> > >to
> > >> >> >help
> > >> >> >> >defray the cost. What do you all think? Should I go for it
or
> > >should
> > >> >I
> > >> >> >> >wait for the prices to drop? Or will this 533 processors
start
> > >> >> >disappearing
> > >> >> >> >from the shelves and the price start jumping?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
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> > >> >>
> > >> >
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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