Water Cooling for $500 (Canadian)

Hi,

I've been having no luck whatsoever finding out about what's good/bad in watercooling. I do have $500 sitting here and was wondering if someone could help me put together a watercooling system. I'm getting the CoolerMaster Stacker case. Thanks!
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  1. Zalman RESERATOR 1 should do you good and its very quiet

    System Spec:
    Asus P4c800-E
    3.2e @3.8ghz
    2X512 corsair xms pro 2-2-2-5
    all in wonder 9800 pro
    74gb raptor
    audigy 2zs
    klipsch ultra
  2. It's actually silent from a distance of 2 feet, and I can't imagine anyone having it closer to their ear than that.

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  3. I would go with the <A HREF="http://www.sharkacorp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SOS&Product_Code=in-500740&Category_Code=in" target="_new">Innovatek XXS Complete CPU Water Cooling Set</A>
    It is a very good system and you can mix and match any other innovatek parts with it. I believe innovatek currently has the largest variety of liquid cooling components. They are a german company so it is a little harder to find their products in the US but they are worth the effort to get. Most of their products can be found at <A HREF="http://www.sharkacorp.com" target="_new">http://www.sharkacorp.com</A> and <A HREF="http://www.frozencpu.com" target="_new">http://www.frozencpu.com</A>

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  4. why would anyone touch the Zalman reserator - ugh.
    man, i'm not on the forums too much anymore (come say hi in irc-land), but when i see a post like this i cringe.

    customize your own solution ! !
    you have some good cash to spend on it, and its CAD.
    where you at anyways, I'm in montreal and i get some good local pricing on watercooling gear.
    anyways...

    Danger Den gear is great. Go for a TDX. If you want to cool your vid card, a Maze 4.
    As for the pump, nothing better than an Eheim 1250.
    Then for your radiator, depends on how much effort you're willing to put in. If you're handy with a little bit of soldering, pick yourself up a car's heatercore. It'll be cheap and better than the large majority of radiators available, only catch being that you've got to solder some barbs to it. Otherwise, HWLabs BlackIce Pro2 radiators are great.

    Anything else?

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  5. dude the reason you're getting decent temps with the innovatek gear is because of your pump, rad, and number of fas (!?). i run 3 fans in my system, including PSU, intake (for HDD), and NB heatsink. I also run DangerDen blocks, an eheim pump, 1973 buick riviera heatercore.. put your system side by side with mine and i can almost guarantee that our temps will be very similar, if mine not better. innovatek gear is old and a quick fix for ppl looking for a kit. thats about it. look at their product designs.. whats so "innovative" (pardon the pun) about innovatek. not much.

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  6. How's this sound?

    Chipset Waterblock - Danger Den MAZE4 Chipset Block
    CPU Waterblock - Danger Den - TDX Block AMD XP/MP
    Pump - Eheim 1250 - 110/120V - 317 GPH
    Tubing - 6 feet of Tygon Tubing (more necessary?)
    Radiator - Black Ice Xtreme Radiator
    Paste - Arctic Silver 5

    Distilled water is easy to buy, as is antifreeze. I think some cool dye for the water would be nice. Also, since I'm not going to use a resevoir, I need to have a 'T' at the top of my case, do I not? Please help me ... I'm so new =). It's pitiful ... what else am I missing?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dglew on 09/05/04 06:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  7. f\/ck the antifreeze, use WaterWetter
    otherwise, measure how long the distances are to figure out how much tubing you'll need, but if you're making an internal setup (read: inside the case) 6 feet is enough. umm, no video card cooler? what are you running now? otherwise, using a reservoir is way easier, not worth making a T line, just use a reservoir.. danger den has some for the eheim pumps.

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  8. I get about 16-20C or less on CPU, Chipset and GPU. Mostly due to the 10” X 12” radiator on the side of my house, lol.
    It gets really nice when winter rolls around :)

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  9. thats why, heh - when i have the a/c going (with a dryer tube from the cold air output to the radiator) i hit those kinds of temps, and my rad is a heatercore, 13"x2.5"x6.5" so not much smaller. surprised about one thing though - those innovatek blocks really shouldn't be able to hold up to the pump's pressure

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  10. Okay, so how would you mount such a radiator? Would you have to mount a heck of a lot of 120 mm fans on it or what? Does someone have some pics to show me what you're doing?
  11. putting my radiator outside allows me to put as many fans as I want on it, have it be huge, and not make a sound in my room :)
    My comp is almost completely silent because of it. And when I wanna lan I just detach from that radiator and connect up to a portable one I built. A description and pics of my setup can be found on that link on my sig.

    I have always liked the innovatek blocks mainly because of the superior compression fittings on them. There is NO way that hose is comming loose/leaking. And their rev3 cpu block has got to be one of the better blocks out there. So many companies are putting plastic on their blocks now days it makes em seem crappy. I know innovatek is doin it too but their rev3 block is a solid aluminum block with a large copper core that gets completely submerged in water.

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  12. That's awesome. I've got to find myself a heatercore then. Do you have any pics you can show me?
  13. error_911

    I'm in Ontario here ... and here's what I've been thinking about over the last 24 hours or so:

    Good budget? Well yeah ... I've been thinking about watercooling for the past year and a half now but had to wait until I got my new case, etc. and for school to finish. :)

    What I'm thinking now is this:

    CPU Waterblock – Swiftech 6002 (For AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Barton) - $42.50
    Chipset Waterblock – Swiftech MCW20 - $37.95
    VGA Waterblock – Swiftech MCW50 - $42.95
    Pump – Laing D4
    Tubing – 8 ft. of Tygon Tubing
    Thermal Paste – Arctic Silver 5

    Just curiously, have you had experience with Water Wetter vs. Antifreeze in your water? Just wondering what the difference really is .. I was leaning towards some blue antifreeze myself. Bad? Good?

    Thing is, I'm not sure where I can find the Laing D4 pump in Canda. I've been trying but no luck yet. Where do you get your parts?
  14. I really like nihsub1's idea of having a giant rad (heatercore?) with 6 120 mm fans on it. That would be great.

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=343160
  15. Your setup looks good to me, give it a shot.

    Go for waterwetter but don't put to much in, it will eat at your fittings if you put in to much :)
    I have heard stories of antifreeze clogging up stuff in cooling systems so I would never use it.
    If you want to add color to the water just get some UV dye. Just a couple drops of that stuff will make your system very colorful.

    I buy most of my stuff online. The only things I didn't buy online were the radiators and tubing. It was more convienient to just go to napa autoparts and ace hardware.

    (The pic of my portable cooling system shows a standard heatercore w/ 4x 92mm fans on it. The radiator w/ the 6 fans on it looks more like an oil cooling radiator to me)

    <A HREF="http://www.folken.net/myrig.htm" target="_new">My precious...</A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by folken on 09/06/04 02:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  16. Uppon furthur inspection that isn't any kind of auto radiator. That is a computer liquid cooling system radiator, the <A HREF="http://www.mountainmods.com/cgi-bin/product.pl?item=HE1203" target="_new">Thermochill 120.3</A>. That thing is expensive.

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  17. i just use 2 120mm fans on it (sucking air through it), and i have it mounted in a case on the floor, so i never worried about installing in my case.

    <b>and now for something completely different</b>
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  18. to begin with, i'll give you this straight up - i'm not at all a fan of swiftech waterblocks. they make nice heatsinks, and thats about it. i know you're probably thinking you can shave $100 in total by using swiftech versus danger den, but the performance is with danger den. as for the pump, I've never heard of that pump, so i personally wouldn't touch it. eheim pumps are easily available, so are hydror and via aqua. i buy my stuff from www.mutepc.net because i get wholesale prices, and they're in quebec, but www.bigfootcomputers.com has some nice stuff, and i think www.ncix.com is starting to cary stuff too.

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  19. I think I'm still going to go with the Swiftech 6002 CPU waterblock. I'm debating whether I should go for a small HSF such as this one: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-110-103&depa=0 for my NB.
    VGA? Not totally sure. I'm still up in the air as to whether I'll buy one of these or not .. but I'll probably have extra cash so probably will. Not totally sure about the rad but I'm contemplating this one: http://www.dangerden.com/images/Fan_Shroud/shroud1.jpg

    Anyway, that's where I am right now. Feeling a little better about that?
  20. your stock vga cooler will be better than that Vantec - thats an OOOLLLDDD cooler which isn't even good enough for GF2's lol. trust me when i say you need something better.

    as for the radiator, thats basically a smaller version of mine, but a good choice - its a pre-modified heatercore.

    feeling a little bit better btw, lol

    <b>and now for something completely different</b>
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  21. Heh, sorry, that fan - it'd be for my chipset, not my VGA. (grins) My bad. For my VGA, I'd go for either a Maze 4 or something similar from Swiftech. Think I could go for a larger rad for not much more money? I think I'll still have some to burn ...

    P.S. Glad you're feeling better ;)
  22. lol good - for the chipset, btw, that fan is probably not enough as well. take a look at thermalright's NB-1 (its $25 CAD) and its great (i've got one). for the gpu, a waterblock is always nice (i have the maze 4 in black :smile: ). otherwise, a dual-120mm radiator/heatercore won't be much more, just shop around. like i said though, if you don't mind soldering a little, buy a heatercore from an auto shop, its your best and cheapest alternative.

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  23. Ouch, that's a bit noisy ... not too bad though. I've got an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe mobo and it has weird dimensions for the Northbridge so I'm not 100% certain that would fit. How did you mount it onto your motherboard?

    So I really can't justify buying a waterblock for my Northbridge then?

    What would I be soldering onto the heatercore? Just the barbs?

    Heh, I've got a guy here in town where I live that gives me stuff for cost and doesn't charge me shipping. It rocks.
  24. i've got an Abit AN7 and it will fit, its meant for the NForce mobos and their ultra hot NB's.. it mount with mounting pins and a retention bracket - not too hard.
    actually, i want o buy an NB waterblock too, it gets pretty damn hot.
    as for the rad - thats it, barbs.
    and btw, i get things for cost too (i'm a reseller); i love it lol

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  25. NB waterblock would be nice. But again, not sure if I could justify it. Second, the A7N8X Deluxe has weird dimensions for the NB so it's hard to find a waterblock that will fit.
  26. dude it will fit, i've been looking around at pics of the board and you've got plenty of room, its not an overly-big waterblock

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  27. No, the issue is the mounting bracket. The screw holes are abnormally far apart, I believe. My friend bought the Innovatek kit and their NB waterblock and he had to make his own mounting bracket.
  28. the mounting holes are standard on all Nforce mobo's dude


    also, he used a koolance... hence the crappyness

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  29. Well if it's standard, why wouldn't the chipset waterblock he bought fit properly then?
  30. well caus it has to be made to fit the nforce chipset, hence why i said "pos koolance", because they don't have an Nforce 2 block. the danger den ones, on the other hand, are made for it.

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  31. Quote:
    Just curiously, have you had experience with Water Wetter vs. Antifreeze in your water?

    Correct me if I am wrong, but water cools better than antifreeze. The reason for having antifreeze, is as the name implies it lowers the freezing temp of the water it is mixed with (In cars it also helps lubicate the water pump).

    Anyways as far as water wetter I have always been amazed at the results of it. I have an pretty highly modified Mustang which sees about as much track time as it does street time. It has the largest 4 core aluminum radiator I could fit under the hood, and generally I run a 160° thermostat, and a flex fan. I heard a lot of people talk about water wetter, but as my car normally runs pretty cold, I didn't expect much. Anyways, I added a bottle of watter wetter, and it dropped my temps by 15°. I have been a believer ever since.

    Now obvisuly this is a car, and not a water cooling system for a PC, but the principles are similar. And with a bottle of water wetter being only $5-6 and a jug of antifreeze being $7-8 you can't really go wrong.

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  32. Thanks a lot. I was able to get measurements of the NB and I'll be okay now. I just need to choose my NB waterblock.

    I get my new case today so it will be a very fun day of installing stuff, setting up RAID and (probably) ordering water cooling. :)
  33. told ya :tongue:

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  34. Yep, so I got my case today. Very nice and massive!!! Only a couple bad things though.
    1) Without doing anything major to the case, you can't mount the floppy drive without moving one of the 120 mm fans. I'm going to rig something up to prevent this.
    2) The drive bay covers were INSANELY hard to remove. A real pain in the butt.

    Other than that, a GREAT case. No complaints here except that I no longer have anywhere to rest my leg =(.

    Now for watercooling, LED fans and a cold cathode tube.

    Oh, and I couldn't get a DD Maze4 block for my GPU. They're not AIW compatible ... *sigh*
  35. the swiftech ones *might*... check out their compatability lists.. otherwise, what case did you get ? ?

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  36. Cooler Master Stacker ... let me get a link.
    http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=STC-T01&other_title=STC-T01CM Stacker&PHPSESSID=0d28aaa2f0bb7eb894722d2c058b45cd
  37. thats a pretty wikked case, i love the fact that you've got so many 5" bays.. mind you, i've been looking for a good case for a while and i think i'll end up on an old pull i got a little while back and modifiy it - its an AOpen HK08 or somethin like that - a nice slim but tall and deep case - its my server's housing for now. where are you pickin up the coolemaster from?

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  38. Oh, I already have it. I got it from a guy in town who sold it to me for cost. I just got it yesterday. Very nice. LOADS of room. Price wasn't too bad, either. I got it for $225.00 and the window for $35.00. All together it cost me (with taxes) $299.00.
  39. Okay, this is my final for all my gear. Is there anything else that I need that I have neglected to add to my list? I'm planning on doing a T-line instead of a resevoir.

    Swiftech 6002 CPU waterblock
    10 ft. 1/2" Tygon tubing
    Antrifreeze (type?)
    Swiftech MCP650 pump
    UV dye
    Swiftech MCW50 VGA waterblock
    Danger Den MAZE4 Chipset Waterblock
    Danger Den heatercore with shroud
    120 mm fan
    Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste
  40. hrm thats not bad, though i would have picked up a Lia Li at that price range.

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  41. Well it had absolutely everything I wanted. It is a VERY NICE case. I can't complain - I love it!

    But anything more I need for the water cooling?
    You really think the Danger Den Maze4 chipset cooler is better than the MCW20 from Swiftech, I take it?
  42. indeed i do, i think dangerden has put a lot more research in their watercooling gear than swiftech, and has more performant blocks per application than the majority of other commercially available solutions.

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  43. Excellent, thanks for the input. Aesthetically, I think the Swiftech blocks look MUCH nicer. But that not why I'm buying them. I've got to find a good place around here to buy all this gear now.

    Not missing anything else then?
    How about that Canada vs. Czech Republic game, eh? Lucky!
  44. if you'd like to shoot me an email i can always quote you some prices thru my wholesaler, but check out www.bigfootcomputers.com, and www.ncix.com as well

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  45. Swiftech 6002 CPU water block - $56.98
    Silverprop Fusion HL GPU water block - $67.00
    12 g Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste - $24.98
    Swiftech MCP650 pump - $105.05
    10 ft. of Tygon tubing
    ½” T-fitting
    Danger Den heater core with shroud
    Thermaltake DC fan series – 120 mm - 78 CFM – 21 dBA (x2)
    Hose clamps

    dglew@sympatico.ca

    For those fans, is that a good balance between CFMs and dBA? I thought so.
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