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September 6, 2004 4:22:48 AM

Hello everyone i was looking at cooling solutions and i stumbled on the swiftech MCW5002-PT THERMOELECTRIC waterblock
so i was wondering if anybody had any experience with this thing. Also are there are any drawbacks and which one is the best
thanks


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Asus P4c800-E
3.2e @3.8ghz
2X512 corsair xms pro 2-2-2-5
all in wonder 9800 pro
74gb raptor
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klipsch ultra<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by lb19984 on 09/06/04 00:26 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 6, 2004 5:51:02 AM

It looks like that is just a Peltier built into a waterblock. If you go for somethin like that make sure you put plenty of insulation all around your cpu because that thing will get COLD! If it isn't properly insulated you will get condensation all over the place and we all know what happens when water mixes with computers.
I would just get a regular block for now and if you want to experiment with theroelectric cooling later just buy a Peltier. You really don't need to use a Peltier unless you are doing some serious overclocking.

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September 6, 2004 12:01:58 PM

Peltiers ustilise the thermoelectric effect to transfer heat from one side of a metal plate to the other very quickly. This means one side gets VERY cold and the other very hot, which is why you need to have a very good HSF or watercooling in order to get rid of that heat.

I would recommend it because (as already mentioned) when something is cooler than the ambient temp then condensation starts to form.
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September 6, 2004 6:18:46 PM

thanks
But the thing is i want a quiet pc and good cooling because i have the 3.2 prescott. So i was thinking to use this thermoeletric thing with the zalman reserator 1 so i wouldnt have any noise and i could safely overclock even higher like 4 or 4.2ghz

So if the only problem is condensation why doesnt everybody use this there must be something else wrong with it I mean a lot of people use the vaporchill
and that is more expensive, this is a cheaper and supposedly better solution why isnt it so popular
i'm just confused now
Thanks


System Spec:
Asus P4c800-E
3.2e @3.8ghz
2X512 corsair xms pro 2-2-2-5
all in wonder 9800 pro
74gb raptor
audigy 2zs
klipsch ultra
September 6, 2004 6:47:21 PM

Typical peltiers draw between 80-200Watts, this means that for most of them you will need a seperate power supply. Also since the peltier is itself a resister it generates heat, add that to the heat of your CPU and you get a lot of thermal energy your heatsink has to remove.

If you cannot cool the peltier enough it will burn out and become a metal block with 200watts passing through it...it will melt through your motherboard in seconds.

It is not for the novice user.
September 6, 2004 6:51:18 PM

OHHHHHHHHHH-kay
That quickly answered my next question
I'm afraid to ask but will reserator 1 be enough to cool this "metal block with 200watts passing through it"?
thanks

System Spec's:
Asus P4c800-E
3.2e @3.8ghz
2X512 corsair xms pro 2-2-2-5
aiw 9800 pro
74gb raptor
audigy 2zs
klipsch ultra's
September 6, 2004 7:18:45 PM

Well I think the reserter performs reasonably well, you can even use air cooling as long as is a less powerfull peltier.
But it is important that you read up on it first and find out exactly what you are getting yourself into. I wouldnt recommend it personnaly though.
September 6, 2004 7:31:25 PM

thanks
I've been loking around and there isnt a lot of information on it and i couldnt find a lot of reviwes either oh well it was a good idea

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aiw 9800 pro
74gb raptor
audigy 2zs
klipsch ultra's
September 6, 2004 9:24:18 PM

So is there anyone who uses one here at toms

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audigy 2zs
klipsch ultra's
September 6, 2004 9:43:12 PM

seriously, just get a good water cooling set-up. You can't just dive into Peltier cooling, you need to do research (which you obviously have not done :lol:  ). Just my 2 Pence / Cent

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September 7, 2004 12:05:01 AM

Actually I've been researching it as it seems didllyable
i mean dooable
I really dont know why everyone is pesimistic
and thats my 2 pence
I just whant to know everyones opinion and I'm hopeing
maybe someone will say something good about it

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Asus P4c800-E
3.2e @3.8ghz
2X512 corsair xms pro 2-2-2-5
aiw 9800 pro
74gb raptor
audigy 2zs
klipsch ultra's
September 7, 2004 1:46:45 AM

Oh it is good, I mean a 200watt peltier can get so cold ice forms but just remember that all the heat from the CPU and peltier goes to the other side of the peltier. The prescott can dissipate 100Watts+ of heat add that to a 200watt peltier (not all of that is converted to heat but a lot will be) and we are talking serious temps. You will have to insulate the CPU using some kind of grease and your water cooling setup will need to be up to scratch but it is not gonna be too hard to get it set up.

On the other hand you have to balance the costs of getting a water cooling setup (£150+) a peltier (£60+) and a 200watt power supply for the peltier (£30) against getting a vapochill kit (which wont destroy your CPU and motherboard instantly if it dies).
September 7, 2004 2:49:27 AM

thanks for the reply
the thing is that i wanted to use it with a zalman reserator 1 so i can have a silent pc running at 4ghz with no noise but promedia makes a lot of noise and it only cools the processor i was hoping to have no fans i was gonna cool the hard drives video card and the northbridge
The thing is i kinda need it to encode video during the night and the pc is like 7 feet away from my bed so i dont really have much of a choice. If you know of any other solution i'd be very apreciative but you see i just cant think of anything else, aside from

1)moving my bed
2) moving my computer

And thanks for not fully trashing my idea like everyone else

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pioneer 108 pioneer 120s
September 7, 2004 2:51:08 AM

I'd like to thank everyone for their negative opinions
I'm just kidding thanks everyone


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pioneer 108 pioneer 120s
September 7, 2004 8:26:06 AM

If you are cooling the CPU, video card, northbridge and harddrives with water then I would not recommend peltier cooling at all. A passive radiator will have a hard time removing that kinda heat.

Also when you overclock it is not just the CPU that gets hotter, power distributing components of the motherboard such as mosfets also get hotter. Without any anyflow in your case I wouldnt recommend overclocking at all.
September 7, 2004 3:25:46 PM

I wasnt trying to trash your idea, it just really isn't worth the money / time. Any chances are something will go wrong and ull end up with dead mobo / cpu.

I was only trying to shy you away from the idea to save you money. Obviously you couldn't see that.

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STFU
September 7, 2004 6:48:39 PM

i'm just kidding around
dont take my comments so seriously
i dropped the idea already

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1gb corsair xms pro2-2-2-5 aiw 9800 pro
audigy 2zs klipsch ultra's
74gb raptor wd 2000jb
pioneer 108 pioneer 120s
September 7, 2004 6:58:53 PM

you still going to get water cooling?

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September 7, 2004 9:20:53 PM

yea
do you know how i could keep it on the quiet side?
thanks

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Asus P4c800-E 3.2e @3.8ghz
1gb corsair xms pro2-2-2-5 aiw 9800 pro
audigy 2zs klipsch ultra's
74gb raptor wd 2000jb
pioneer 108 pioneer 120s
September 7, 2004 10:39:17 PM

Crashman's review says that the zalman kit is silent from more than 2foot away, so it will be quiet. But I would not recommend overclocking without some air flow in your case, get 2 silent fans, or run 2 fans at 7volts.
September 8, 2004 1:25:51 AM

No I'm ditching the Zalman besides it wont handle a lot of heat I'm goona cool the cpu northbridge the video card and the hard drive I dont wanna use any fans I'm gonna try to thing of something knew So far I'm thinking a very large piece of aluminum with fins


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1gb corsair xms pro2-2-2-5 aiw 9800 pro
audigy 2zs klipsch ultra's
74gb raptor wd 2000jb
pioneer 108 pioneer 120s
September 8, 2004 8:46:13 AM

If you can you might wanna think about keeping the radiator outside the house? Dunno if thats practical for you, but someone on this forumn once told me they planned to put thier radiator in their garage and run the pipes through the wall.
That would reduce temps.

Remember if you wanna make a radiator that cools better than the zalman one it will need to be BIG.
September 8, 2004 1:08:33 PM

Have to think about how that solution would work year round. WOuld allow better cooling(and possibly condensation, due to temps below freezing) during winter, but here at least, during summer, means radiatior would be at 100F or possibly more sititng out in a garage, palce that often doesn't have much for ventilation unless you leave the garage door open. Not exactly optimum. Now a more intriguing one, at least ot my mind, would be a seperate basement/root cellar, appropriately deep. Give you approximately 52-60F year round, nice place to have your radiatior.

Of course, with any installation such as this you have to have the pump, and associated waterflow, to deal with pushing water over said distances.
September 8, 2004 5:00:17 PM

Yeh you would need a good pump, or possibly 2. I heard about one guy who was thinking of using a fish tank as a res...of course you couldnt have any fish in it but it sounded like a good idea.
September 8, 2004 7:35:34 PM

Now I have a new idea using 2 zaman in a row and then go into the computer AHH Total silence no fans
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System Spec's:
Asus P4c800-E 3.2e @3.8ghz
1gb corsair xms pro2-2-2-5 aiw 9800 pro
audigy 2zs klipsch ultra's
74gb raptor wd 2000jb
pioneer 108 pioneer 120s
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