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Skt 939 Overclock... How high did you go?

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February 20, 2005 9:24:05 AM

O.K. I'll lay out the suggestions for format.

1. CPU and original Clock Speed
2. OC speed
3. Vcore
4. HT/FSB
5. RAM/RAM Speed
6. Motherboard

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February 20, 2005 10:12:54 AM

1. A64 Winchester 3200+ (90nm), 2000Mhz
2. 2600Mhz
3. ~1.53V (set to 1.55 but board undervolts)
4. 260Mhz
5. Corsair XMS PC4000 @ 216Mhz :frown:
6. Epox 9NDA3J

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February 20, 2005 7:51:30 PM

1. A64 Winchester 3200+ (90nm), 2000Mhz
2. 2400Mhz
3. 1.55VCore
4. HT 960 / FSB 240
5. Generic PC3200 (3,4,4,8)
6. Neo Plat 2

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February 20, 2005 9:12:14 PM

x3. it's not happy with x4. All the more reason why I'm annoyed with the RAM - I'm sure that 250x4 and RAM at 250Mhz too would be better performing than the current 2.6Ghz/~216Mhz setup.

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February 22, 2005 2:17:32 AM

0451 3000+ winnie 1.8mhz
2475mhz
1.45v
2.6v Dramm
275mhz 1t at 5htt 2.5,3,3,7
Patriot XBL 3200 2x256
Epox 9NDA3J

Just put the mobo/cpu/ram in today, about 2 hours ago.

Havn't tested stability or highest fsb yet.

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by funkdog on 02/21/05 11:20 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
February 22, 2005 1:39:06 PM

I can do 250x4, provided I set the RAM to 5:6 (166), that's how I know it's the RAM, not chipset.

I get reboots at 260x4, but I haven't experimented with lower HT and x4, so I guess it'll be stable somewhere higher than 250...

Vcc may help with the HT multiplier, but I think to get a higher HT/FSB I probably need more CPU Voltage (since it's all integrated onto the CPU). Anything above 260 Gives reboots just before windows login.

Plenty more fiddling to come, don't worry :smile:

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February 22, 2005 1:44:48 PM

Ah interesting... Same board as me :smile:

What speed is your RAM running at? I assume your HT multi is 3x at 275Mhz?

I think tonight I'll try Real slow RAM and real low CPU multi, and see how far I can push the bus.

I'll try voltage up to 1.6V too. Haven't been that far yet, but to hell with it......

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February 22, 2005 3:26:21 PM

It was at 5TT at 275, and 4TT at 280, but 280 wasn't prime stable, 275 is stable.

2.5,3,3,8 @ 275
1:1
4HTT

Might put it back on x5, but I hear it really doesn't make much of a diff.


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February 23, 2005 2:35:23 AM

As of now I'm at:

4xHTT 1T 2.5,3,3,6 @ 275mhz 2.7v on Dimm
for a clock of 2475mhz @ 1.45v on the cpu

would boot at 215mhz @ 2,2,2,5 but not at 220
If I loosen them all the way to 3,3,3,7 I think I can get 290, with 2.7v on the DIMM.

But I'm liking 2.5 @ 275.

Gonna keep tinkering around and see what this puppy can do.

Prime stable, but my temps are outrageous.. 50+ under load.

Need to uprgade to a monster flowing water rig. This Hydrocool isn't gonna cut it. Of course ambient in my room right now is 39C, to cheap to turn the a/c on just yet.. still need a better water setup though.

Shoulda went with the g.skill, but this Patriot is pretty rocking too.

was hoping for 300, guess if I went 2t and loosened it all up it would hit 300, but why bother? 275 at 1t and tighter is better performing correct?

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by funkdog on 02/22/05 11:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
February 23, 2005 7:37:11 AM

Hello everybody, Wusy i see you're still in fine shape these days, well i'm sorry everybody but it seems i got better result than most of u:D  just got my little precious new car and precious prometeia Mach 2. CPU running at -29C at 1.9 Vcore at 2950mhz. CPU is Winchester 3200+. Okay that's just for bragging rights, normally i run at 1.45Vcore at 2500mhz, At -37C load. Oh right and forgot to mention the board i'm running is the MSI K8N Neo4.
February 23, 2005 9:59:10 AM

you suck with all your money and cool tech :tongue:

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February 23, 2005 11:08:44 AM

Haven't seen you around here in a while Scottchen!

Can you think of anything obvious that would be preventing me from getting past 260 HT? I only have one stick of RAM in it atm, (other arrived today so fitting it tonight), tried up to ~1.57V, and extra .05V on the Chipset.

Currently stable at 258x10 (HTx4), ram (corsair XMS4000) at 5:6 so ~215Mhz.

Load temps 32/47C (stock cooler).

I wanna get me one of those Prometia/Vapochill jobbies :smile:

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February 23, 2005 11:57:14 AM

um, how do you increase the chipset voltage?

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February 23, 2005 1:17:17 PM

It's under 'Power BIOS Options' or something in my BIOS. I think it is actually called 'Chipset Voltage' too.

I don't honestly think it's of any real use on an A64 system though, as the FSB and suchlike is all on the CPU.

I think it may help to run a higher HT multiplier (make it stable over 1Ghz), but that's of questionable benifit for performance anyway :eek: 

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February 23, 2005 2:25:41 PM

Have you tried lowering CPU multiplier? Raising Vcore? that rules out the possibility of your CPU limiting you. And chipset voltage really doens't do anything.

It's true it only took me 1.45 Vcore to reach 2500mhz, but it took me 1.7V just to get to 2600mhz, and if i want to stabilize my cpu at 2900mhz, i needed more than 1.9Vcore, but then that requires mobo mod... too lazy, 2950mhz is barely windows boot for about 20 seconds lol. But 2900mhz is Windows stable. So where i'm getting at chipdeath is that you may reached your optimal frequency already. Anything higher on your chip may require significant Vcore increase. Honestly what video card do you have? Do you really need more speed?
February 23, 2005 2:35:52 PM

oh I just looked, your running that epox board. I have the Neo Plat 2, so that won't help me with my crappy overclocks :frown: ...on water too!

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February 23, 2005 2:41:52 PM

Neo2 plat isn't that bad, it can hit 250HT with 4xHT np, and 400 with 2.5xHT. The MSI boards aren't horrible for overclocking i'm using the K8N Neo4 SLI, and it's handling my overclocking fine. The Winchesters sometimes really do suck, as i have mentioned in another post, some people can't even get the 3200+ pass 2.2Ghz
February 23, 2005 3:02:45 PM

yeah I think it's the chip. Don't know why I'm annoyed, I paid for a 2.0Ghz chip, and managed to get a 2.4 in the end.

Although, this is not prime95 stable. WIll this effect my folding when I eventually set it up?

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February 23, 2005 3:20:37 PM

P95 stable... well if it's the 2nd test, then fine. But 3rd test better be stable. The 2nd test is almost bs, nothing ever stresses CPU that hard.
February 23, 2005 3:58:05 PM

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Have you tried lowering CPU multiplier? Raising Vcore? that rules out the possibility of your CPU limiting you. And chipset voltage really doens't do anything.

Yes and yes, although the highest I've been on the core is about 1.57V, and I'm not too fond of the temps on the stock cooler with that. No matter, I'll be getting a better cooler soon (Haven't fully decided yet, but probably either a ThermalRight XP-120 or XP-90), more for removing noise than better OC potential really.

I didn't think Chipset V would help any, but it's nice to hear someone confirm that. :smile:

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Honestly what video card do you have? Do you really need more speed?

<A HREF="http://www.imagezilla.com/img.php?im=574450735_Big-Ass_..." target="_new">this one</A> :evil:  It's a 9800Pro with interest. Do I need more speed? Not really, no, a x800 or 6800-based card would be nice, but completely impossible to justify... I just like fiddling with this stuff, as do the rest of us :smile:

Hell, I'm not complaining. FX-55 speeds (albeit 1/2 the cache) for 1/4 the price and on the stock cooler is better than I hoped for anyhoo.

I guess I'll just have to limit my tweaking to memory timings and the 9800Pro. :frown: ...

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February 23, 2005 5:19:54 PM

I haven't started tweaking my 6800ultra yet. Just ordered the waterblock, should get here in a couple days. Need some more money for a second 6800ultra for sli:D  I have to get a Peltier to work on my radiator somehow, since cooling 2 6800ultras and 2 15000rpm cheetah drives and chipset is no easy task.

You really shouldn't complaint, since you're clocked 100mhz higher than me on stockcooling, well i guess i am freezing my cpu.
February 23, 2005 6:52:18 PM

Hey man, thats cool!

I'm curious to see how cool mine runs when the temperatures outside are below freezing! You ask why? I have my water cooling radiator outside......

Setup?:
Ehiem 1048 pump in a homemade reservoir
A large transmission cooler with 2 120MM fans attached (ouside my window)
PolarFLO TT water block (1/2" ID)
1/2" ID tubing the whole way.

Cost?
About a total of $120 US
Noise?
None

Temerature with current outside temps (0C/32F)?
Idle: 27C
Load: 29C


I'm still tweaking the waterblock, It seems to not contact the entire surface of the CPU block, but I think it may be combined with the only 2 mounting screws in the MSI K8TNeo2-FIR. That, and the motherboard won't let me up the FSB any more, and the 9x multi lock sux too.

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February 23, 2005 7:07:28 PM

I tried to make my computer "Portable" well it's not really anymore, since the temjin6 case is already extremely heavy, now i've attached the prometeia mach 2 to the base, and i've got a radiator that can uses 4x120mm fans. And then i got 4 harddrives, 2 with waterblocks, 2 with fans. I didn't use a reservoir for my setup, because i thought that i didn't need anymore weight. So yeah put my PC on the scale, umm sh*t... 107lb. I really don't fancy carrying that much weight to lan parties.

Prometeia has a cutdown version that's about 200US, i forgot what's it called exactly, but it can still put your CPU at 0C.

Skligmund, yeah u made a bad choice on mb, should've spent that extra 20 bucks for the Abit AV8 or the Gigabyte Nforce3 board.
February 27, 2005 4:44:12 AM

Update:

295x9 2.65ghz

2.5,4,4,7 1:1 3HTT

1.6vcore 2.8vdimm

gonna see if I can lower the core voltage some.

gonna need to get better watercooling too. load temps are pushing my threshold.

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by funkdog on 02/27/05 01:45 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
February 27, 2005 6:06:52 AM

Impressive speeds, but i agree you should lower the Vcore a little. Especially if you're using stockcool, which i hope you're not. Because these new stock hsf for A64 BLOWS!
February 27, 2005 10:54:58 AM

Quick questions:

I'm recording temps using smartguardian and I'm getting decent temps now that I took my case cover off, but before I was getting 51C for the chipset and the PWM IC whatever that is. Is that too high? The CPU at the time was showing 38C so I'm confused. I now have it at 31C CPU, 38C PWM IC, and 41C for the chipset. How could the chipset be higher than the CPU. I am running a nice and big XP-120 with a panaflo 120mm.

3200+ 90nm
DFI Lanparty Ultra-D
Corsair 4400C25PT

Running at 2400Mhz, 4x HTT, 10x multiplyer, 240Mhz FSB. Ram is 2.5,4,4,8 at 1T.

This is a lot of work. I haven't figured out my max memory speed but it's looking to be around 305Mhz. I'm not running it at 2,2,2,5 though so should I start over? I haven't figured out the max my CPU can do either, but will run prime on it over night at 2450Mhz.

I'm still at stock voltages.

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February 27, 2005 2:19:46 PM

Dulucke i really wouldn't worry about it, the MSI board i got does the same thing, even before i got the promy, when i was using the stock cool at stock speeds, the CPU would max out around 50C, but the chipset would always go into the 60C's, i called MSI, and they told me it's fine, reason being, it's normal for chipsets' temp to get to the 70C's.
February 27, 2005 7:29:30 PM

Just what I wanted to hear. Thanks.

I'm going to have to up the voltages here though since I maxed out at 246Mhz. Got an error in prime after 2 hours. 245Mhz ran fine for 8 hours.

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February 27, 2005 8:25:45 PM

Na, I'm using the Hyrdocool water setup (lunchbox), with a Zalman waterblock. Load temps are in the mid 40's, idle is basically ambient temp.

I lowered the multiplier down to 8, and set the ram at 2.5,4,4,7 now I'm running 310x8 or 2.5ghz at 1.45v.

think this ram has 320-330 in it with really loose timings.

wish my board supported .5 multies.

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February 28, 2005 6:57:54 AM

ram won't do over 310. tried a couple different settings messing around. 310 seems to be it's limit. 2.5,4,3,5

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March 1, 2005 4:57:32 AM

Temporarely going to stop here:

1. 3200+ Winchester, 2Ghz
2. 2.5Ghz
3. 1.55
4. 1:1, 250Mhz, 2.5,4,4,8,1T
5. Corsair 4400C25PT, 250Mhz, 1.7v
6. DFI Lanparty NF4 UT Ultra-D

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March 1, 2005 7:26:23 AM

Well, I upped the multiplier back to 9, running at 300x9 +.2v on the core.

It's funny cuz there's a guy that's running 1 week earlier than I am on a 3000+ at 315x9 at the same voltage I am.

Sux he got a better chip than me. Anything over 2.7ghz takes +.3v on the core, and that's not what I'm willing to do without serious water cooling, which I don't have.

Will do 310x8 with +.1vcore, but I figure 300x9 +.2vcore is about where the limit is.

I've been as high as 310x9 +3.25vcore into window but not stable.

gonna have to save up and buy a FX chip to get any higher than 2.75ghz on the 64 platform. Probably need G.Skill to push the fsb any higher than 310 too.

Of course the T.Mos is doing 270 at 2,2,2,>> now, so the next couple months will be interesting.

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March 13, 2005 2:58:19 PM

1)Winni 3000+ 1800
2)2117 1:1 (2250 1:1) (2422 200:166)
3)1.472-1.488 (1.472-1.488) (1.5125)
4)235 (250) (269) Patriot tccd
5)A8N-sli deluxe v.1006

xp90 runs 45c/113f under load (80f in room)

Held back by mobo i think mb mb mb...nothing over 250 for the ram, or 269 for the fsb.

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by apesoccer on 03/17/05 11:26 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 14, 2005 12:42:44 PM

It's in the mail...=P

Hard Core users use text smilies...

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
March 14, 2005 6:00:23 PM

ugg... Tornado... funeral for your eardrums.
March 14, 2005 6:16:57 PM

lol, you should hear it now...i doubt it makes any real difference. i have 5 80mm fans...in addition to the 2 in the ps, the 92mm on the heatsink, and whatever came stock on the gpu and mobo. I'm thinking about plugging this guy in to the Q-Fan so hopefully it won't get terribly louder then it needs to be.

Not to mention my other computer sitting right next to my primary...with 4 more 80mm, 2 in the psu,1 volcano 7+ (edit from 5) currently @ 4500 (edit from 5500) rpm...and whatever came stock on the gpu and mobo...

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by apesoccer on 03/14/05 04:52 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 14, 2005 6:18:55 PM

Qfan? Whatever you do don't plug the Tornado onto the motherboard, it'll blow it right away. I know what a 92mm tornado is like I'VE OWNED one!! I've owned an even louder one 120mm Delta, that pushes 59dBa!
March 14, 2005 6:38:15 PM

Erm..yea it's a 12v...but it comes with a (edit: 3pin) connection so that you can plug it in to the qfan...=D

So...I think, i should be able to control it. If not, I should b ok with the noise...and if i can't handle it...well, i've still got the other fan.

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by apesoccer on 03/14/05 03:41 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 14, 2005 8:50:16 PM

Quote:
1 volcano 7+

You poor man. Those suck. All that noise and they don't really cool <i>that</i> well.

I had one for a while, but got so sick of the hairdryer noise that I did a fantastic ( :eek:  ) bodge-job which enabled me to bolt an 80mm fan on instead. Replacing it with a TT SI-97 and a vantec stealth 92mm was a great move though. Heartily recommend that HS to anyone with a Socket A mobo who thinks they'll have clearance problems with a big HS.

My rig has 3 80mm casefans (2 intake, 1 exhaust), the little chipset fan (40mm? 50? not too sure and can't be arsed to check), another 80mm on my 9800Pro, 2x 80mm in the PSU, and a 120mm bad boy on my XP-120. All (apart from chipset and PSU fans) are rigged up to 5V/12V switches, so I can hit 'silent' mode when I need to sleep or something. It's not really that loud anyway, but the switches help a lot.

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A64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10= ~2.5Ghz, ~1.41 Vcore
1Gb @ 209Mhz, 2T, 3-5-5-10
Voltmodded Sapphire 9800Pro @ 450/350 w/ modded VGA silencer 3.
March 15, 2005 7:12:15 AM

scottchen
im thinking of getting that delta 120mm fan with 190cfm, how much will that cool a amd 3500+ ocd to about 2.6, with about 2x 120mm fans and 1x 80mm fan in the case.
March 15, 2005 1:03:09 PM

I thought it cooled pretty well...=/
It is loud when i have it at 6000rpm...but at 4500 rpm it doesn't bother me at all, and it cools nearly as well. I always liked the idea of a pure copper heatsink...

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
March 15, 2005 1:18:10 PM

Aww. =/

Oh well...i'm mostly deaf anyway...i think it has to do with in the summer having the radio cranked up above the sound of the air coming in the windows @ 80mph...to and from work for 30mi... Speaking of 80mph... Have any of you guys had to sit through drivers reeducation training? Here in Indiana we have a 6hr video...i drove the speed limit for a month after watching it...I've never seen anything so boring in my life. I'd sit through 10 tv church sermon's in a row, over that, any day. Of the three roomates i've had in the last 3 years, we've had to watch that video 4x. LOL. My roomate nekos has had to watch it 2x. You have no idea how hard i laughed at him for that. (btw, you have to go through that process if you get two tickets in the same year...at least here)

Well i'm tak'n a beating today. Where's RX8 when i need him!

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
March 15, 2005 2:09:47 PM

WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T BUY IT!! I used it for like a week before i returned it, it's simply unacceptable. Just get a watercooling setup, thermaltake Bigwater is fairly cheap, and cools well with a very silent fan.
March 15, 2005 2:10:37 PM

oh yeah and don't use a fan guard on the tornado, you really don't need the extra noise. And make sure no wires' near the area, and don't put your finger anywhere near the fan.
March 15, 2005 3:20:53 PM

I'm not sure ... but i'm feeling some hostility towards these fans... =D

And they were such fans of yours too...LOL god i luv me.

(seriously tho thx 4 the advice...i'll b careful)

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
March 15, 2005 4:04:19 PM

You can trust me on the fact that IT WAS PAINFUL! it didn't quite cut me, but i'm sure it broke some tiny bones in my index finger.
March 15, 2005 4:28:39 PM

lol...oh man...since you shared... The other day...it was dark...i could hear a fan spinning up higher in my computer and i was wondering if it was running hhot...so i put my right hand on the case (metal) grounding myself out and went in to touch the heatsink...oh yea...caught the blade of the fan under my left index finger nail...omg did that hurt...took a chunk of skin with it. I looked at it when i pulled my hand out of there (at light speed i might add) and said...'that's gonna hurt'. Anyway it seems funny now...

I cut the last of the bruised nail off this morning.

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
March 15, 2005 4:53:36 PM

Fanguard or no on a tornado lol... Fanguard=noise, No Fanguard=chopping up fingers and wires.
March 15, 2005 4:58:19 PM

Awesome...i'll have to put lights around it and put it outside in the summer...<films the moths...>

god i hope there aren't any women reading this forum...they seem to get so uptight about needless (in their opinion) violence.

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0][P4 3.0][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
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