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A64 3000+ Venice w/ MSI Neo 4 Plat.

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August 29, 2005 2:28:25 AM

SO, its been about 2 years since ive posted here, no one probably even remembers me now if anyone besides Crashman is still here from that time ago.

Anyways, here's my question.

I just recently upgraded my Barton 2500+ @ 2.4Ghz system to an A64 piece.

Here's the setup...

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice CPU
MSI Neo 4 Platinum Motherboard
OCZ PC4400 2x512MB Enhanced Latency Gold Limited Edition Ram(This was a VERY expensive aquisition)
ATI Radeon X700Pro 256MB PCI-E Video Card
WD 74GB SATA 10K Raptor HDD
WD 250GB PATA 7200rpm HDD
SB Audigy 2 Sound Card

etc etc etc..

Anyways, i have this thing running at 2.7Ghz right now on the stock HSF idling at 34C...
Are these settings ok though?

FSB @ 300Mhz
Ram Timming in DC Mode 2.5-4-4-10 1T
1.550VCore
3x HTT

I hit these speeds with no problem other than the fact I couldnt post with it at 4x HTT, is this ok? Is there any better/optimal settings i should look into/change?

Thanx guys...

-MeTaLrOcKeR

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August 29, 2005 4:50:54 PM

Yes the ram is also running at 300Mhz...its 1/1 right now...

i can purposely make it run slower....but does it matter??

I have the ram at default voltage and the NF4 Chipset also at default voltage...

Do any specific ram timings better or worsen performance? What are the BEST settings..?

Im running FSB/DDR Clock at 300Mhz 1/1 right now ram is at 2.5-4-4-10 @ 1T in dual channel with the HTT at x3...would 2.5-3-3-8 @ 2T make a difference? does laxing the ram timings hit performance in the least?

Is it better to run the HTT at 4x versus 3x somehow??? i tryed it at x4 HTT with Multiplier @ 9 and FSB/Mem @ 300 1/1 and it would post and boot but crash when i go to log in...

so its 2.7Ghz on the dot right now just trying to figure out anymore little tweaks here and there, im STILL on the stock HSF and she runs realllly cool, im gonna throw my Zakman 7000CuB LED on it anyways but for now anyways its fine.

Any ideas anyone?

-Jay



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August 29, 2005 5:44:30 PM

AIts normal that you crash at 4X because your HT link is at 1.2ghz and the mobo doesnt handle it...
900mhz HT is plenty, you dont get any perf hit before you lower it to 600-800 so its all good.

I think the timmings are right on, I would rather keep it at 1T..

Nice rig and nice OC, COOL stuff :wink:

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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August 29, 2005 5:57:48 PM

^Thanks a lot man, much appreciated...

So x3 HTT is good due to the high bus speed...good to know...im getting it now, that always confused me a little...

Now, the ram timings, ive read everywhere that 1T is better than 2T but running at 2T will alow more laxed timings...

But ever since ive been a computer overclocker/tuner having the most aggresive ram timings STABLE mind u is better than more laxed timings, more bandwidth due to higher read/write speeds...but i read a few places saying aggressive ram timings dont matter on an A64 anymore due to the integrated memory controller, now if thats true does that mean i can loosen up my ram timings and not suffer any performance loss??

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August 30, 2005 4:10:19 AM

I have it at 2T right now, seemed after 12 hours of memtest it failed at 1T at 2T its been stable for hours upon hours though....100% Stability....at 2.5-4-4-10 still though...

as far as dropping the multiplier, why would i do that?? i can just push the FSB even higher...

im running default ram voltage, default Chipset voltage also, just increased CPU voltage to 1.550 and thats it...

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August 31, 2005 5:29:15 AM

all of those ive tested and work on stock ram votlage still....ive tryed it all...

i read that A64 like the 10 more than 8....

so would running 3-3-3-8 be faster than 2.5-4-4-10 ??? i always thought the lower the cas the faster/better??

BTW, this is not only a stock cooler, i completely overlooked i had my fan speed set to spin at a slower rate until it hit 60 degrees celcious...i disabled that option and this puppy is idling right now at 33 degrees celcious overclocked to 2.7Ghz...and a room temp of 23 degress celcious..

its a week 20 from 05...

ive got another 3000BP (Venice 3000+) still in the box and its a week 25...was thinking about trying the newer silicon...but i wanted to wait till i get my MSI Neo 2 Platinum system up and running...

Is there any known advantages/disadvantages overclocking on the agp based nForce 3 Ultra vs the PCI-E Based nForce 4 Ultra???

-Jay

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August 31, 2005 6:24:17 AM

Ok than i will try out these settings when i wake up tomorrow...im to lazy and tired right now to bother...

BTW i know this CPU hasnt reached its limit if its only at 1.550VCore and 2700Mhz on the bone stock retail AMD HSF...stable as a rock too...

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August 31, 2005 8:56:42 AM

Rocker, if you can, wait till october to get the Zalman CNPS9500. This thing rivals some low-end water cooling systems. Even the cnps7700 cu is very good.

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September 1, 2005 9:29:27 PM

i dont cheap out wusy, EVER...

Im just stating that so far on the stock cooler ive been able to achieve such a cool temp. at such a high OC...

And whats wrong with the Zalman all copper 7000bCu ??? it helped out my temps on my old rig. by a sonsistant 5 degrees...

BTW although i have the stock cooler i rubbed off that crappy thermal paste it came with, im running A/S 5 on there...

And i can wait till october for sure, however, when i replace the stock cooler to either the zalman which i already have, or im goign straight to high end water...mayeb even liquid nitrogen...vapochill possibly...

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September 7, 2005 5:48:05 PM

Here's my Screenies...

<A HREF="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/MeTaLrOcKeR/Sandra..." target="_new">Sandra Multi-Media</A>
<A HREF="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/MeTaLrOcKeR/Sandra..." target="_new">Sandra Memory Bandwidth</A>
<A HREF="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/MeTaLrOcKeR/Sandra..." target="_new">Sandra Arithmetic</A>

CPU-Z is included aswell in all screenies...Stock cooler...seems that in the bios the VCore is set at 1.550 total but pumps out 1.6...meah...still runs 100% stable...memtest and everything...

Gotta love the OCZ ELDCGLE-K *thumbs up* npow running at 3-5-5-11 1T seems to be the BEST performance out of all the settings ive tried...

What u guys think?

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
September 8, 2005 6:52:24 AM

the mem. voltage?? the highest option i have available is 2.85V

but at 3-3-3-8 or 11 or 6, with 1T its not stable no matter WHAT voltage i use...

remember, im running my HTT-FSB at 1/1 with my memory...my ram is only rated at 277Mhz or PC-4400 and 2.5-6-6-11 timings..



<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
September 9, 2005 4:29:54 PM

You don't want to go past 2.85 anyway, if that's tccd, you can burn it at 2.9...most people stop at 2.8. No one takes it above 2.9 unless you're just wanting to see where it dies at. I don't ahve that kind of money...=/.

How high have you taken that venice up to v wise? I haven't taken my Winni above 1.525. But it hasn't ever seen those kind of speeds either...=(

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2400+][2000+][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
September 9, 2005 4:48:54 PM

Ive taken the voltage as high as the MB would let me...

The MSI Neo 4 Platinum is odd, i dunno if maybe other mainboard manufacturers are liek this, but theres 2 options for CPU Voltage...

There's Startup CPU VID and i can select anywhere from 1.200 - 1.450...
Than theres a spot that says CPU VID and it doesnt give me a list of different voltages, just different percentages of overvolting... 3.3% than 5% than 8.3% than 10% and i think 13%...

by default my Venice was running at 1.36VCore and i put the startup voltage at 1.450...and put the overvolt % at 10%...

The bios and MBM5 both confirm 1.6VCore... ive gone the highest possible as i thought maybe the cpu needed more voltage when i had some instability problems, turned out to be ram timings...so i dropped the voltage back down...im gonan try and drop the cpu voltage down some now too see if it will let me...

But as far as i can tell, 2.7Ghz is amazing...and its only a 3000+

My MSI Neo2 Platinum system didnt need 1.6VCore to get 2.7GHz...it only needed 1.5...but for 2.75GHz it needed 1.55 where its sitting now rock solid stable...

id liek to get 2.8Ghz...but i dont think ill be stable at those speeds...im still on the factory AMD boxed heatsinks...my temps r very low considering though...

Neo 4 system is at 35 Celcious as we speak w/ 1.6VCore @ 2.7GHz...
Neo 2 system is at 31 Celcious as we speak w/ 1.55VCore @ 2.75HGz...

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
September 9, 2005 4:56:28 PM

Dude...that's awesome. I'm so jealous. (so jealous i'm about to go out and buy a different cpu...grr heh). I need to figure out where my bottleneck is first though. Heh.

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2400+][2000+][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
September 9, 2005 5:15:25 PM

ive had a few people gock over my OC results...scroll up a little bit and click on the links to my screen captures....

I havent tryed 3d Mark 03 or 05 yet, there pretty big downloads...

but with my ATI Radeon X700pro 256MB i scorred 23,000 3D Marks on my MSI Neo 4 Platinum system...

and LOOK at my memory bandwidth...

i recomend everyones whos OC'n to get GOOD ram, forget this PC3200 DDR crap.... ive got OCZ Enhanced Latency Dual Channel Gold Limitied Edition 2x512MB PC4400 ram...and im running it 1/1 with my HTT/FSB @ 300MHZ! my bandwidth is crazy....

7400mb/s! yikes!

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September 9, 2005 6:28:51 PM

Heh yea i looked at them earlier. I purposely looked at the sandra bw cuz the best i've gotten is in the high 6000s. Honestly i thought you would have higher then that. When i went from 1T to 2T it dropped pretty big...i think i dropped from 6000s to 5000s. From a 235 1T to a 250 2T. 1T is a pretty big deal to 64 amd's, most people underestimate it. You've gotta oc alot further at 2T to get the same amount of work done as at 1T. It's the single most important memory setting, imho.

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2400+][2000+][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
September 9, 2005 6:41:32 PM

I agree....when i was at 2T i was in the high 6000's also... 69XX by 68XX to be more specific...

the reason im probably "ONLY" in the mid 7000's is cuz of my ram timings...

3-3-3-8 wouldnt work no matter stable after pro-longed use no matter WHAT voltage i give it...
2.5-4-4-10 was stable, than after a long game of C&C she frooze up...so i went back to the drawing board...

U gotta realize, my ram is rated at "only" 277Mhz or 554DDR... im at 300Mhz FSB 1/1...im not using any sort of memory divider... i mean i could go one step down in the memory divider and than use more aggressive ram timings, but whats the point? i wont get more bandwidth than this....

its at 3-5-5-11 right now i believe.... ram is rated at 2.5-6-6-11 @ PC4400 or 277MHz...and im at 3-5-5-11 @ 300...and stock/default ram voltage...so im not complaining...

Beat that for bang for buck ;) 

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September 9, 2005 6:56:41 PM

Yea thats tccd ram...it's similar to the ram i have. i've got patriot stuff...but it's all samsung tccd. Only the tccd and the bh-5 stuff will hit 300+.

and only the tccd will hit 300 below 2.9v, the bh-5 takes like 3.2v+.

Mine is rated to 267 i think at 3 4 4 8 @ 2.6v...it's printed right on the bloody label. Bloody expensive though...cost more then i really should have spent. =/

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2400+][2000+][1.3][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x4][X 2.8x2][P4 3.0x2][P4-M 2.4][P4 1.3]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
September 10, 2005 6:03:38 PM

Well, any ideas on how to get this TCCD to be stable with 2.5-3-3-10 or 3-3-3-8 or something with 1T at 1/1 @ 300MHz..?

i mean, the ram is only rated at 277Mhz...and ive surpassed that, and i can go even higher, but at the cost of ram timings...
if i were to run a memory divider 1 step down, say at 166MHz instead of the 200 its at now, and i tightened up the ram timings, would i loose/gain or stay about the same in performance??


<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=13597" target="_new">-MeTaL RoCkEr</A>
September 11, 2005 3:22:04 AM

well...i bet i could do that at 2T at 300Mhz...but im at 3-5-5-11 1T @ 2.8Volts stable and im getting ~7500MB/s bandwidth...

r u saying @ 300Mhz 3-4-3-7 @ 2T would be faster??

interesting...

ill try that out...

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