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May 29, 2004 5:20:52 PM

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Hey All

I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable misunderstanding.

Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS SK8V
mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133 200GB HDD,
Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics solution I've decided on
the Geforce 6800.

I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that, however, I
have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will require a 600
watt psu.
Is that right?

Any relevant advice is welcome.

many thanks
May 29, 2004 5:20:53 PM

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At this rate, it won't be too much longer before we start seeing PSU
capacity advertised in kilowatts.

"TwoBells" <toobells8@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Hey All
>
> I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable
> misunderstanding.
>
> Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS SK8V
> mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133 200GB HDD,
> Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics solution I've
> decided on the Geforce 6800.
>
> I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that, however,
> I have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will require a
> 600 watt psu.
> Is that right?
>
> Any relevant advice is welcome.
>
> many thanks
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
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May 29, 2004 5:20:53 PM

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"TwoBells" <toobells8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hey All
>
> I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable misunderstanding.
>
> Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS SK8V
> mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133 200GB HDD,
> Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics solution I've decided
on
> the Geforce 6800.
>
> I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that, however, I
> have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will require a 600
> watt psu.
> Is that right?
>
> Any relevant advice is welcome.
>
> many thanks

I am putting together an almost identical machine. I have read that it is
suggested that the GF6800 needs a 480W PSU. 600W is beyond overkill.
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May 29, 2004 5:20:53 PM

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On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:20:52 +0100, "TwoBells" <toobells8@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Hey All
>
>I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable misunderstanding.
>
>Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS SK8V
>mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133 200GB HDD,
>Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics solution I've decided on
>the Geforce 6800.
>
>I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that, however, I
>have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will require a 600
>watt psu.
>Is that right?
>
>Any relevant advice is welcome.
>
>many thanks
>
>

No, that is not true. Nvidia recommended a 480w PSU initially but I
have heard that they have since revised this and are now saying a 350w
PSU should be adequate so long as it is a high quality PSU. But you
can never have too much and if I was buying one today I would probably
get something like an Antec TruePower 480w PSU or maybe even 550w.
Anonymous
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May 29, 2004 7:25:18 PM

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TwoBells <toobells8@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All
>
> I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable
> misunderstanding.
>
> Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS
> SK8V mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133
> 200GB HDD, Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics
> solution I've decided on the Geforce 6800.
>
> I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that,
> however, I have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will
> require a 600 watt psu.
> Is that right?
>
> Any relevant advice is welcome.

Sounds way too high to me. A 460W PSU should be overkill, as it now stands.
How much power does your friend think a video card requires?

Yousuf Khan
Anonymous
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May 29, 2004 11:54:53 PM

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On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:20:52 +0100, "TwoBells" <toobells8@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Hey All
>
>I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable misunderstanding.
>
>Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS SK8V
>mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133 200GB HDD,
>Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics solution I've decided on
>the Geforce 6800.
>
>I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that, however, I
>have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will require a 600
>watt psu.
>Is that right?

In a word: No.

The nVidia GeForce 6800 IS a power hungry beast, needing over 100W all
on it's own (completely ridiculous if you ask me, but not
surprisingly, nVidia didn't ask me :> ). The processor eats up about
100W and all other components in your system will eat up about another
100W. In total you're looking at somewhere in the 300-350W range.

That being said, power supplies are MUCH more about quality than
quantity. A good quality 350W supply should power this system up
fine, a poor quality 600W supply will fail miserably. I'm not
familiar with Akasa power supplies, however if they're halfway decent
it should work just fine with that 460W supply you've got.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
Anonymous
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May 30, 2004 6:10:41 AM

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Bitstring <hi4ib0lfnpreajvh3iq0l03prrshh86nqi@4ax.com>, from the
wonderful person Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> said
<snip>
>The nVidia GeForce 6800 IS a power hungry beast, needing over 100W all
>on it's own (completely ridiculous if you ask me, but not
>surprisingly, nVidia didn't ask me :>

They didn't ask me either, but I'm with you. That's a ridiculous amount
of power merely so someone can have 100 FPS (which my eyes can't even
detect) with 1600*1200 resolution and full screen AA, and bump mapping
and .... and ... and ... in Doom4, or HL2, or whatever. Mercifully
they won't sell many - the planet can't stand a hundred million of those
in 24/7 use.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.
May 30, 2004 2:33:58 PM

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Funnily enough, he (my friend) got his info from ALIENWARE, who have
introduced the 6800 into their new 'AURORA' systems and as soon as you try
to customize or tell the sales assistant you want the 6800 they say it HAS
to have the 600w psu!

TB


"Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67@ezrs.com> wrote in message
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> TwoBells <toobells8@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey All
> >
> > I need some advice here, mainly to clear up a probable
> > misunderstanding.
> >
> > Currently I'm building a system around the AMD FX-53 cpu on a ASUS
> > SK8V mobo, with 1gb CORSAIR EEC, 80gb UDMA133 hdd, 200gb UDMA133
> > 200GB HDD, Plextor CDRW, PIONEER A07 DVDR and for my graphics
> > solution I've decided on the Geforce 6800.
> >
> > I had ordered a AKASA 460 watt PSU and thought that was that,
> > however, I have since been told by a friend that the 6800 series will
> > require a 600 watt psu.
> > Is that right?
> >
> > Any relevant advice is welcome.
>
> Sounds way too high to me. A 460W PSU should be overkill, as it now
stands.
> How much power does your friend think a video card requires?
>
> Yousuf Khan
>
>
May 30, 2004 8:40:16 PM

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On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:54:53 -0400, Tony Hill
<hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>
>The nVidia GeForce 6800 IS a power hungry beast, needing over 100W all
>on it's own (completely ridiculous if you ask me, but not
>surprisingly, nVidia didn't ask me :> ). The processor eats up about
>100W and all other components in your system will eat up about another
>100W. In total you're looking at somewhere in the 300-350W range.
>
>That being said, power supplies are MUCH more about quality than
>quantity. A good quality 350W supply should power this system up
>fine, a poor quality 600W supply will fail miserably. I'm not
>familiar with Akasa power supplies, however if they're halfway decent
>it should work just fine with that 460W supply you've got.
>
>-------------
>Tony Hill
>hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

A real life example: a friend of mine built a dual Opteron246 on Tyan
Thunder K8W with 4GB RAM, 2x 7200rpm HDD, some high end Radeon
(9800XT? - not sure). The PSU he uses is something approved by both
case maker (Thermaltake - he uses one of those fancy Xasers with lots
of fans, lights, etc.) and Tyan (Thunder needs special connectors, not
plain vanilla ATX) 4x0W (probably 460W - not sure). When he tried to
use CD writer, the video would freeze. After long recearch it turned
out it was insufficient power (he turned off some other internal
gadgets, and it all started working). Now he resorted to using as
many devices externally as possible, and waits for approved 550W or
greater PSU to come out.
I have no idea how much power requirements of GF6800IS are different
from those of R9800XT, but just by looking at ATI's heatsink I'd say
it is quite power hungry.
So 600W does not seem too much of overkill. After all, the price
difference is too negligible to warrant skimping on PSU for a high end
system.
Anonymous
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May 30, 2004 10:47:24 PM

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On Sun, 30 May 2004 02:10:41 +0100, GSV Three Minds in a Can
<GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>Bitstring <hi4ib0lfnpreajvh3iq0l03prrshh86nqi@4ax.com>, from the
>wonderful person Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> said
><snip>
>>The nVidia GeForce 6800 IS a power hungry beast, needing over 100W all
>>on it's own (completely ridiculous if you ask me, but not
>>surprisingly, nVidia didn't ask me :>
>
>They didn't ask me either, but I'm with you. That's a ridiculous amount
>of power merely so someone can have 100 FPS (which my eyes can't even
>detect) with 1600*1200 resolution and full screen AA, and bump mapping
>and .... and ... and ... in Doom4, or HL2, or whatever. Mercifully
>they won't sell many - the planet can't stand a hundred million of those
>in 24/7 use.

I think the planet will survive just fine with what amounts to the
equivalent of a single light bulb being turned on, though I'm not sure
it's really a good thing. A more important problem IMO is a.) these
chips are very definitely going to *require* a very fast spinning
(read: loud) fan just for themselves and probably also pump out enough
heat to require an extra case fan. Throw in the fact that these fans
are the least reliable parts to any computer and these chips could
well end up frying themselves when those fans fail and you're off to a
bad start for a product design IMO. Add in the difficulties in
getting stable power to the product (no more/less difficult than for a
modern processor) and you're sure to have a negative effect on system
reliability.

On the flip side, at least those few goofballs spending their $500+ on
one of these cards will fund the development of useful video cards so
that people like me can go out and spend $100-$125 on a card that will
play all of today's games at a good frame-rate and resolution with all
the bells and whistles turned on. I might lose out on the pissing
contests, but the $400 I saved, along with a more reliable and quieter
system more than makes up for that IMO.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
Anonymous
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May 31, 2004 4:07:52 AM

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"nobody@nowhere.net" <MyGarbage2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4h1kb0h4se4tjqtvqpqr7cohvhr4cl0l5o@4ax.com>...
> On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:54:53 -0400, Tony Hill
> <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >The nVidia GeForce 6800 IS a power hungry beast, needing over 100W all
> >on it's own (completely ridiculous if you ask me, but not
> >surprisingly, nVidia didn't ask me :> ). The processor eats up about
> >100W and all other components in your system will eat up about another
> >100W. In total you're looking at somewhere in the 300-350W range.
> >
> >That being said, power supplies are MUCH more about quality than
> >quantity. A good quality 350W supply should power this system up
> >fine, a poor quality 600W supply will fail miserably. I'm not
> >familiar with Akasa power supplies, however if they're halfway decent
> >it should work just fine with that 460W supply you've got.
> >
> >-------------
> >Tony Hill
> >hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
>
> A real life example: a friend of mine built a dual Opteron246 on Tyan
> Thunder K8W with 4GB RAM, 2x 7200rpm HDD, some high end Radeon
> (9800XT? - not sure). The PSU he uses is something approved by both
> case maker (Thermaltake - he uses one of those fancy Xasers with lots
> of fans, lights, etc.) and Tyan (Thunder needs special connectors, not
> plain vanilla ATX) 4x0W (probably 460W - not sure). When he tried to
> use CD writer, the video would freeze. After long recearch it turned
> out it was insufficient power (he turned off some other internal
> gadgets, and it all started working). Now he resorted to using as
> many devices externally as possible, and waits for approved 550W or
> greater PSU to come out.
> I have no idea how much power requirements of GF6800IS are different
> from those of R9800XT, but just by looking at ATI's heatsink I'd say
> it is quite power hungry.
> So 600W does not seem too much of overkill. After all, the price
> difference is too negligible to warrant skimping on PSU for a high end
> system.

As another point of reference, I'm using a dual Opteron 244 on a Tyan
2875 Tiger board, 2GB RAM, 2 x 120 GB SATA HDD, Radeon 9200 graphics,
DVD burner and FDD. The power supply is an Antec 400W one and I have
had no problems whatsoever. I realise the video card is a much lower
end model than yours, but I'm still a bit surprised your friend had
problems. Maybe I'm living life on the edge and just haven't realised
it yet!

Mattias
Anonymous
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May 31, 2004 4:08:12 AM

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"nobody@nowhere.net" <MyGarbage2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4h1kb0h4se4tjqtvqpqr7cohvhr4cl0l5o@4ax.com>...
> On Sat, 29 May 2004 19:54:53 -0400, Tony Hill
> <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >The nVidia GeForce 6800 IS a power hungry beast, needing over 100W all
> >on it's own (completely ridiculous if you ask me, but not
> >surprisingly, nVidia didn't ask me :> ). The processor eats up about
> >100W and all other components in your system will eat up about another
> >100W. In total you're looking at somewhere in the 300-350W range.
> >
> >That being said, power supplies are MUCH more about quality than
> >quantity. A good quality 350W supply should power this system up
> >fine, a poor quality 600W supply will fail miserably. I'm not
> >familiar with Akasa power supplies, however if they're halfway decent
> >it should work just fine with that 460W supply you've got.
> >
> >-------------
> >Tony Hill
> >hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
>
> A real life example: a friend of mine built a dual Opteron246 on Tyan
> Thunder K8W with 4GB RAM, 2x 7200rpm HDD, some high end Radeon
> (9800XT? - not sure). The PSU he uses is something approved by both
> case maker (Thermaltake - he uses one of those fancy Xasers with lots
> of fans, lights, etc.) and Tyan (Thunder needs special connectors, not
> plain vanilla ATX) 4x0W (probably 460W - not sure). When he tried to
> use CD writer, the video would freeze. After long recearch it turned
> out it was insufficient power (he turned off some other internal
> gadgets, and it all started working). Now he resorted to using as
> many devices externally as possible, and waits for approved 550W or
> greater PSU to come out.
> I have no idea how much power requirements of GF6800IS are different
> from those of R9800XT, but just by looking at ATI's heatsink I'd say
> it is quite power hungry.
> So 600W does not seem too much of overkill. After all, the price
> difference is too negligible to warrant skimping on PSU for a high end
> system.

As another point of reference, I'm using a dual Opteron 244 on a Tyan
2875 Tiger board, 2GB RAM, 2 x 120 GB SATA HDD, Radeon 9200 graphics,
DVD burner and FDD. The power supply is an Antec 400W one and I have
had no problems whatsoever. I realise the video card is a much lower
end model than yours, but I'm still a bit surprised your friend had
problems. Maybe I'm living life on the edge and just haven't realised
it yet!

Mattias
!