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When I opened the box, I found a black piece of tape or whatever on the
bottom of the heat sink. Is that part of the thermal material or should
I remove it?
I've also looked at Intel's site and downloaded a pdf on the thermal
management and fitting, but found no instructions to remove the tape.
Furthermore, Scott Muellers book mention that the thermal material may
be either paste, pad or tape.
There is also a reference in the motherboard manual to "thermal tape".
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"Johannes H Andersen" wrote
> When I opened the box, I found a black piece of tape or whatever on
the
> bottom of the heat sink. Is that part of the thermal material or
should
> I remove it?
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Johannes H Andersen wrote:
> When I opened the box, I found a black piece of tape or whatever on the
> bottom of the heat sink. Is that part of the thermal material or should
> I remove it?
>
> I've also looked at Intel's site and downloaded a pdf on the thermal
> management and fitting, but found no instructions to remove the tape.
>
Some come with "protective tape" over the thermal pad to protect it in
shipping. The instructions that come with the CPU should explain this in
detail. If this "tape" you're talking about is a small square then this is
probably just the thermal pad, leave it alone and just install it. If it's
a piece of tape that goes over to the edge of the HS, it's probably a piece
of tape to protect the pad. It should be pretty obvious if it's the
protective kind of tape. Good thing with a P4, if you screw up this part,
the chip just throttles itself back instead of burning up.
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In article <2hv9n7Fgt4viU2@uni-berlin.de>, fotocord@yahoo.com
says...
> Johannes H Andersen wrote:
>
> > When I opened the box, I found a black piece of tape or whatever on the
> > bottom of the heat sink. Is that part of the thermal material or should
> > I remove it?
> >
> > I've also looked at Intel's site and downloaded a pdf on the thermal
> > management and fitting, but found no instructions to remove the tape.
> >
>
> Some come with "protective tape" over the thermal pad to protect it in
> shipping. The instructions that come with the CPU should explain this in
> detail. If this "tape" you're talking about is a small square then this is
> probably just the thermal pad, leave it alone and just install it. If it's
> a piece of tape that goes over to the edge of the HS, it's probably a piece
> of tape to protect the pad. It should be pretty obvious if it's the
> protective kind of tape.
The Retail Opterons come with a hard plastic sheet over the
bottom of the fansink to protect the goo. Seems to be an
excellent solution.
> Good thing with a P4, if you screw up this part,
> the chip just throttles itself back instead of burning up.
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"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b2446e99325b56398992e@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> In article <vZuuc.36137$lY2.20474@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
> spam@anywhere.com says...
> > Oops
> > "Anthony Fremont"
> >
> > That's still better than just turning OFF. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> You really ought to get with the 21st century, AF. P4 is dead.
> *dead*, *DEAD*, I tell you! ...just as I predicted some few
> years ago. ;-)
Give it up Keith, Intel rules. Just go on over to Tom's Hardware and
see for yourself. ;-)
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In article <ulvuc.36141$lY2.21335@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
spam@anywhere.com says...
>
> "KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b2446e99325b56398992e@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > In article <vZuuc.36137$lY2.20474@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
> > spam@anywhere.com says...
> > > Oops
> > > "Anthony Fremont"
> > >
> > > That's still better than just turning OFF. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
> >
> > You really ought to get with the 21st century, AF. P4 is dead.
> > *dead*, *DEAD*, I tell you! ...just as I predicted some few
> > years ago. ;-)
>
> Give it up Keith, Intel rules. Just go on over to Tom's Hardware and
> see for yourself. ;-)
Hogwash! Opteron rulz. P4 is dead, *dead*, DEAD*! Intel got
caught with their panties soiled, once again. Now, if I can get
the last 10' of the cable from the upstairs bedroom to the wiring
"closet" tomorrow... Then there is Linux to figr out.
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"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote
>I wrote:
> > Give it up Keith, Intel rules. Just go on over to Tom's Hardware
and
> > see for yourself. ;-)
>
> Hogwash! Opteron rulz. P4 is dead, *dead*, DEAD*! Intel got
> caught with their panties soiled, once again.
Nah, you're fantasizing again, HT is king. ;-)
> Now, if I can get
> the last 10' of the cable from the upstairs bedroom to the wiring
> "closet" tomorrow... Then there is Linux to figr out.
It's about time you got with the program (Linux that is). Which flavor
will you be using? I highly recommend Gentoo (www.gentoo.org) for the
long haul. Of course if you really wish to get your hands dirty, you
may want to do an LFS (www.linuxfromscratch.org) install just for grins.
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Anthony Fremont wrote:
>
> "KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote
> >I wrote:
>
> > > Give it up Keith, Intel rules. Just go on over to Tom's Hardware
> and
> > > see for yourself. ;-)
> >
> > Hogwash! Opteron rulz. P4 is dead, *dead*, DEAD*! Intel got
> > caught with their panties soiled, once again.
>
> Nah, you're fantasizing again, HT is king. ;-)
>
> > Now, if I can get
> > the last 10' of the cable from the upstairs bedroom to the wiring
> > "closet" tomorrow... Then there is Linux to figr out.
>
> It's about time you got with the program (Linux that is). Which flavor
> will you be using? I highly recommend Gentoo (www.gentoo.org) for the
> long haul. Of course if you really wish to get your hands dirty, you
> may want to do an LFS (www.linuxfromscratch.org) install just for grins.
Thanks folks, didn't imagine that I would start a long thread. Found this
however:
This should clear up the matter; I'll leave the black strip on.
Done is done, I did also consider AMD but got a P4C 2.8/800. My choice
however, was motivated by the Intel's dual channel memory and 800 fsb.
I think this is more important than small differences in GHz. Notice
that I picked the lowest GHz in currently available in this family.
AMD also have dual channel versions, but that's the 940 socket family
which costs more. Once this computer is up, I'll hardly notice the
innards. Whatever you buy it will be obsolete tomorrow, but then I have
work to do.
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In article <4yCuc.20475$4x2.15776@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
spam@anywhere.com says...
>
> "KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote
> >I wrote:
>
> > > Give it up Keith, Intel rules. Just go on over to Tom's Hardware
> and
> > > see for yourself. ;-)
> >
> > Hogwash! Opteron rulz. P4 is dead, *dead*, DEAD*! Intel got
> > caught with their panties soiled, once again.
>
> Nah, you're fantasizing again, HT is king. ;-)
HT is dead, *dead*, *DEAD*! (well, until the next attempt, anyway
and P4 has been canceled. ;-)
> > Now, if I can get
> > the last 10' of the cable from the upstairs bedroom to the wiring
> > "closet" tomorrow... Then there is Linux to figr out.
>
> It's about time you got with the program (Linux that is). Which flavor
> will you be using?
SuSE 9.1
> I highly recommend Gentoo (www.gentoo.org) for the
> long haul. Of course if you really wish to get your hands dirty, you
> may want to do an LFS (www.linuxfromscratch.org) install just for grins.
I'm not a programmer type. I want a system that works, rather
than one I have to keep fiddling with. Though I may install
something else in another partition for play. I'm dumping Win
because of it's licensing/registration/security (read that both
ways) issues, not because I want to fiddle with the OS all day. I
went with SuSE because I believe it has better AMD64 support. ;-)
I installed SuSE late yesterday, but the monitor doesn't work
(H.V refresh too high) after installation. It also complained
about some other things (like no Internet found), so I'll retry
after I get the last 10' of the pipe finished, likely this
afternoon.
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In article <40BB215B.122D5C60@sizefitter_spam_gets_fried.com>,
johs@sizefitter_spam_gets_fried.com says...
>
>
> Anthony Fremont wrote:
> >
> > "KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote
> > >I wrote:
> >
> > > > Give it up Keith, Intel rules. Just go on over to Tom's Hardware
> > and
> > > > see for yourself. ;-)
> > >
> > > Hogwash! Opteron rulz. P4 is dead, *dead*, DEAD*! Intel got
> > > caught with their panties soiled, once again.
> >
> > Nah, you're fantasizing again, HT is king. ;-)
> >
> > > Now, if I can get
> > > the last 10' of the cable from the upstairs bedroom to the wiring
> > > "closet" tomorrow... Then there is Linux to figr out.
> >
> > It's about time you got with the program (Linux that is). Which flavor
> > will you be using? I highly recommend Gentoo (www.gentoo.org) for the
> > long haul. Of course if you really wish to get your hands dirty, you
> > may want to do an LFS (www.linuxfromscratch.org) install just for grins.
>
> Thanks folks, didn't imagine that I would start a long thread. Found this
> however:
>
> http://support.intel.com/support/p [...] -prd24.htm >
> This should clear up the matter; I'll leave the black strip on.
>
> Done is done, I did also consider AMD but got a P4C 2.8/800. My choice
> however, was motivated by the Intel's dual channel memory and 800 fsb.
> I think this is more important than small differences in GHz. Notice
> that I picked the lowest GHz in currently available in this family.
>
> AMD also have dual channel versions, but that's the 940 socket family
> which costs more. Once this computer is up, I'll hardly notice the
> innards. Whatever you buy it will be obsolete tomorrow, but then I have
> work to do.
A little more $$, sure. I decided add the $$ (go bare-bones
elsewhere, for now) and skip the K7 family altogether. Note that
AMD not only has dual-channel, but an integrated memory
controller. Intel has to stuff memory accesses through the
northbridge and system bus.
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"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message
> spam@anywhere.com says...
> > Nah, you're fantasizing again, HT is king. ;-)
>
> HT is dead, *dead*, *DEAD*! (well, until the next attempt, anyway
> and P4 has been canceled. ;-)
No way, AMD will HAVE to implement multi-threading in some fashion
sooner or later. Prolly later, like usual. ;-) BTW, Intel is coming
out with their 64bit P4 in August AIUI.
> > > Now, if I can get
> > > the last 10' of the cable from the upstairs bedroom to the wiring
> > > "closet" tomorrow... Then there is Linux to figr out.
> >
> > It's about time you got with the program (Linux that is). Which
flavor
> > will you be using?
>
> SuSE 9.1
I've never installed SuSE, couldn't get past all that german. ;-) I
started with Slackware in 1995, also done a few Redhat installs, an LFS,
played with Knoppix, and completed a bunch of Gentoo setups. I now
strictly use Gentoo for customer server setups. Installing or updating
packages in Gentoo is way too easy.
> > I highly recommend Gentoo (www.gentoo.org) for the
> > long haul. Of course if you really wish to get your hands dirty,
you
> > may want to do an LFS (www.linuxfromscratch.org) install just for
grins.
>
> I'm not a programmer type. I want a system that works, rather
Then install Gentoo. I'm serious, it's a piece of cake. Emerge is the
greatest thing since sliced bread. Just follow the step by step
instructions to bootstrap your way up and then afterwards you'll know
what you need to know to manage your system.
> than one I have to keep fiddling with. Though I may install
> something else in another partition for play. I'm dumping Win
> because of it's licensing/registration/security (read that both
Yeah, MS is clueless. But thanks to spyware, addware and virii, I keep
myself pretty busy. ;-)
> ways) issues, not because I want to fiddle with the OS all day. I
> went with SuSE because I believe it has better AMD64 support. ;-)
I really don't see how any one distribution can have better support, the
kernel is the kernel is the..... The nice thing about Gentoo is that
you can compile everything (kernel, libs, and apps) optimized for your
CPU. The downside of that is you can't simply stick your hard-drive in
another box (unless it's the same arch of course).
> I installed SuSE late yesterday, but the monitor doesn't work
> (H.V refresh too high) after installation. It also complained
Post your XF86Config file and let me see what they've mangled in it.
;-) It could be that your monitor lied to the X server about its
capabilities. It happens. Getting things like 3D acceleration to work
can be a pain. Most Linux install problems are due to greedy
manufacturers not supporting it and demanding NDA's before releasing
hardware details. Once manufacturers get with the program, Linux should
run away with the market since developers will be able to concentrate on
the kernel and apps instead of spending all their time reverse
engineering braindead hardware to create drivers. ;-)
> about some other things (like no Internet found), so I'll retry
> after I get the last 10' of the pipe finished, likely this
> afternoon.
and P4 has been canceled. ;-)