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Hi,
I am upgrading my PC, can you guys enlighten me on which processor to
chose from. Should I go for AMD Athlon XP 2600 or Intel 2.8E HT???
Could you please suggest 1) motherboard 2) video card to go with your
suggestion? I am not a heavy gaming person, I do some home video
editing and I basically have a limited budget ($700).

Thank you for the help .

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On 22 Jul 2004 05:08:39 -0400, ken@kennos-dot-com.no-spam.invalid
(kennos) wrote:
>I am upgrading my PC, can you guys enlighten me on which processor to
>chose from. Should I go for AMD Athlon XP 2600 or Intel 2.8E HT???

Err, well between those you're looking at the somewhat slower but
quite a bit cheaper AMD chip or a faster but quite a bit more
expensive Intel chip. The AthlonXP 3200+ is roughly the same price as
the P4 2.8E.

Ohh, and FWIW, if you can still get one, the P4 2.8C is a faster
processor than the 2.8E and it runs cooler to boot.

>Could you please suggest 1) motherboard 2) video card to go with your
>suggestion? I am not a heavy gaming person, I do some home video
>editing and I basically have a limited budget ($700).

Given you're limited budget I suspect that you'll have a tough time
fitting the P4 in along with a good amount of memory (absolutely
crucial for video editing) and a halfway decent video card.

Here's a decent sample system though (all prices from www.newegg.com,
not the cheapest dealer but good prices and they're apparently fairly
reliable), with all the parts you are likely to really need to upgrade
your system:

AthlonXP 2600+ $94
MSI K7N2 Delta-L $64
Muskin 512MB PC3200 x2 $158
Maxtor 120GB/7200rpm/8MB cache $88
Sapphire Radeon 9600 $94
Antec True330W power supply $47

Total cost: $543

Add in the cost of shipping, any taxes and any "extra" new parts you
might need (maybe an extra case fan, floppy drive, CD-RW, possibly
even a case) and you'll be pushing right up against that $700 budget.
With any money you've got left over you could easily bump the
processor up to a 2700+ ($109) or 2800+ ($121).

If you go for the P4 then you're looking at all the above the same but
subtract the processor and motherboard and add in something like:

P4 2.8C $181
MSI 865PE NEO2-PLS $73

Total cost: $641

You would probably also want to swap out the Parallel ATA hard drive
for an SATA one on the Intel system (it's support basically for free
on the system board and only adds a few extra dollars in cost to the
hard drive). If you don't need any extra bits other than what is
listed above you should be able to fit this within your $700 budget,
but only just barely.

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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

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Hi Tony,

Thank you a million for your in-depth suggestion, you are indeed a
tremendous assistance to me. I guess I am going for the Intel 2.8C
you suggested. I probably have to delay a month or two to save up
for the more expensive system.

Regards

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ken@kennos-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (kennos) wrote :

> Hi,
> I am upgrading my PC, can you guys enlighten me on which processor
> to chose from. Should I go for AMD Athlon XP 2600 or Intel 2.8E
> HT???

What to choose : Honda Civic VTec or BMW 536i ?
See the analogy ? Why not go for an AMD XP 3200, the price is the same
as 2.8E intel.

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RusH wrote:
>
> ken@kennos-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (kennos) wrote :
>
> > Hi,
> > I am upgrading my PC, can you guys enlighten me on which processor
> > to chose from. Should I go for AMD Athlon XP 2600 or Intel 2.8E
> > HT???
>
> What to choose : Honda Civic VTec or BMW 536i ?
> See the analogy ? Why not go for an AMD XP 3200, the price is the same
> as 2.8E intel.

There is no BMW 536i !

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Johannes H Andersen <johs@sizefitterwiuiuienuivwuivzouvwvuoveswernuaz.com> wrote:
> There is no BMW 536i !

Perhaps not in the US, but overseas manufacturers make lots
of different models that they never import into the US.
Either no demand or too expensive to EPA or safety certify.

-- Robert

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On 22 Jul 2004 19:06:52 -0400, ken@kennos-dot-com.no-spam.invalid
(kennos) wrote:

>Thank you a million for your in-depth suggestion, you are indeed a
>tremendous assistance to me. I guess I am going for the Intel 2.8C
>you suggested. I probably have to delay a month or two to save up
>for the more expensive system.

There might not be any 2.8C on retail sale by then. Already I'm seeing
only 2.8E being advertised in local shops.

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Why not go for an Athlon 64 instead? The Athlon 64 3000+ is only slightly
more expensive than the P4 2.8C. There is also an Athlon 64 2800+
which is very close in price to the P4 2.8 C.

kennos wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> Thank you a million for your in-depth suggestion, you are indeed a
> tremendous assistance to me. I guess I am going for the Intel 2.8C
> you suggested. I probably have to delay a month or two to save up
> for the more expensive system.
>
> Regards
>
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Hi Guys,

Appreciate your inputs and anology. Hey have you guys got any other
sample specifications for me to take note? I think I might have to
take a bus at the moment

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Johannes H Andersen
<johs@sizefitterwiuiuienuivwuivzouvwvuoveswernuaz.com> wrote :

> There is no BMW 536i !

Sure there is (was), M5 with 3.6 engine.

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RusH wrote:
>
> Johannes H Andersen
> <johs@sizefitterwiuiuienuivwuivzouvwvuoveswernuaz.com> wrote :
>
> > There is no BMW 536i !
>
> Sure there is (was), M5 with 3.6 engine.

But I'm pretty sure not with a BMW 536i badge anywhere. BMW often uses
numbers on the badge that doesn't necessarily reflect the engine capacity.

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JK wrote:
>
> Why not go for an Athlon 64 instead? The Athlon 64 3000+ is only slightly
> more expensive than the P4 2.8C. There is also an Athlon 64 2800+
> which is very close in price to the P4 2.8 C.

However, P4 2.8C/800 can use dual channel memory.

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The Athlon 64 has an on chip DDR memory controller!

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processor [...] 03,00.html

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processor [...] 93,00.html

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processor [...] 92,00.html




Johannes H Andersen wrote:

> JK wrote:
> >
> > Why not go for an Athlon 64 instead? The Athlon 64 3000+ is only slightly
> > more expensive than the P4 2.8C. There is also an Athlon 64 2800+
> > which is very close in price to the P4 2.8 C.
>
> However, P4 2.8C/800 can use dual channel memory.

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JK wrote:
>
> The Athlon 64 has an on chip DDR memory controller!

Yes, that saves costs on motherboard and makes for consistent implementation.

> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processor [...] 92,00.html

But then look at the quoted difference in memory bandwidths for the socket
754 AMD 64 and the P4 (Northwood). The socket 939 AMD 64 is in another price
bracket. Main advantage of AMD 64 is the '64' for future OS.

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Johannes H Andersen
<johs@sizefitterwiuiuienuivwuivzouvwvuoveswernuaz.com> wrote :

> ??? Didn't say any of that, but this is usenet. There are always
> lots of issues and you can't win. But now I don't care because the
> new system is already built and will have to do the next couple of
> years. So far I've no complaints. I could equally have chosen an
> AMD 64, it would probably make little difference one way or
> another. I do use my system for numerical calculations and like to
> have a fast processor & memory, although probably for 95% of the
> time I don't need the full power. Heat output and noise is also a
> major concern, hence I chose Northwood over Prescott.

thats not the point, I was making fun of "dual channel memory"
argument. It doesnt matter how they do it as long as it work, buying
something becouse it has those 'funky groovy turbo intercooled
mega SUPER extra thingies' makes no sense if theyr counterparts get the
job done just for 70% of the price.

Pozdrawiam.
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