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> Tony Hillwrote:
On 22 Aug 2004 18:15:07 -0400,
>
> I know the
> Centrino
> bundel is great, but what about a
AMD
> M +
w-Lan,
> which is better (haven't heard anything about the
AMD
> M)?
>
> WHOA! Get yourself a proper newsreader there buddy! FWIW, just in
> case you thought that this is a "help" forum for a specific web
page,
> your message is actually just being thrown out onto the Usenet
> Newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips. If you've never heard of
> Usenet before you might want to look into it, your ISP probably has
an
> NNTP server that will let you get to it directly rather than
tunneling
> through some web portal.
thx for that, and sorry for all those brakets ;-)
i will try the Usenet
Newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips.
> :?: Which has a better performance? Which runs longer on one
> battery?
>
> Well, the first thing to figure out is just what the heck it is
that
> the dumb-*** marketing department is actually talking about. There
is
> no such thing as an "AMD M" processor, just as there is no such
thing
> as an "Intel M" processor. AMD makes processors, some of them are
> sold to the mobile market and some of those even have an 'M' suffix
> added to them.
>
>
>
> Most likely they are talking about the AMD AthlonXP-M processor.
This
> is a very respectable processor, coming in with good performance
and
> power consumption for a VERY reasonable price. The maximum power
> consumption of this processor could be either 25W, 45W or 63W,
> depending on just what model of processor they used (AMD sells
three
> different power grades for their mobile processors, the "Low
Power",
> "Mainstream" and "Desktop Replacement" for the three power grades
> respectively). Most likely they use the 45W max chips.
>
>
> For comparison, Intel's Pentium-M has a maximum power consumption
of
> 25W, only one power grade from Intel. More importantly though, the
> Pentium-M probably has slightly lower power consumption at idle.
> Generally speaking your processor is actually idle about 99% of the
> time for most people, so it's maximum power consumption tends not
to
> have a huge effect on things. The Pentium-M does very well in this
> regard, and that's why it will end up having much better battery
life
> than the Mobile Pentium4 or the Celeron-M. The AthlonXP-M is also
> pretty good here, but maybe not quite as good as the Pentium-M.
>
>
> :idea: She needs to be very mobile (long battery life).
>
> Given that long battery life seems to be your top criteria, the
> Pentium-M is probably your best choice. For any given price-point
the
> AthlonXP-M will offer much better performance than the Pentium-M,
and
> it's a GREAT alternative to any of Intel's Mobile P4 line (good
> performance by VERY high power consumption), the Celeron-M (a
> Pentium-M that has been intentionally castrated to increase idle
power
> and reduce battery life) or the Mobile Celeron (avoid these at all
> costs! High clock speed but terrible performance combine with high
> power consumption make the Mobile Celeron a TERRIBLE choice!)
>
> AMD has a great bang-for-your-buck mobile product on their hands
(and
> their new Mobile Sempr0n and Athlon64 chips look like they'll
continue
> that tradition). However if long battery life is your top
criteria,
> the Pentium-M is top-dog.
>
> The one problem with this recommendation is that you might have a
> tough time finding a decent laptop that uses the Pentium-M
processor
> and that fits into your 1300 euro budget, particularly if you go for
a
> system with a 3 year warranty (personally I would tend to highly
> recommend this, getting out of warranty laptops fixed is
EXPENSIVE).
> Having a quick look through what Toshiba (usually the lowest cost
> manufacturer with decent quality) offers, the best I could do was a
> Satellite M30 in pretty much the bare-minimum configuration with a
> 3-year warranty added on for $1410 US. Given a straight exchange
that
> would come in under your 1300 euro budget, but I understand that
> prices for laptops is are a bit higher on that side of the pond.
>
>
>
> Ohh, and a little FWIW for you.. The term "Centrino" is 100%
> marketing trash (but INCREDIBLY successful marketing trash at
that).
> All it means is that the laptop uses a Pentium-M processor, an
Intel
> chipset and an Intel WiFi chip. If you use all three of those you
get
> a nice little "Centrino" logo and TONS of money in Intel marketing.
>
> The whole idea behind this marketing campaign was to sell Intel's
WiFi
> chips despite the fact that they're really not very good
(definitely
> inferior to what Broadcom or Atheros offer). The Pentium-M
processor
> and Intel motherboard chipsets are good enough that everyone wanted
to
> use them, and Intel allocated enough marketing money to make it
> basically cheaper for most companies to include an Intel WiFi chip
> than to not include one.
>
so u say the AthlonXP-M is almost as good as the Pentium-M? that
would cut the cost a little ;-) but it needs to run min 4hrs.
i didn't know centrino would mean an intel WiFi-chip.
do u know a n-book with one of those good WiFi-chips?
thx so far, was a very great help, now we know more and can look a
little more speciffic
cas
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