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Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my current primary/gaming system on http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not due to weak EAX emulation).
Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET, etc.
Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
my system's age like DOOM 3, Far Cry, etc. I do not overclock and my
setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak, upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed. --
"Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
"Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
/\___/\
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Seems to me like you have it nailed. Athlon 64, ASUS motherboard (I would go for an Nforce3) Audigy 2. That's what I would pick. NVidia's Opengl drivers are better according to some, so for a video card you may want to go that route if you game in Linux.
JK
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message newsJmdnVpdlZX63dvcRVn-qw@mminternet.net...
> Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> current primary/gaming system on
> http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
>
> I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
>
> Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> due to weak EAX emulation).
>
> Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> etc.
>
> Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
> my system's age like DOOM 3, Far Cry, etc. I do not overclock and my
> setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
>
> Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
> -- >
> "Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
> subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
> "Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
> /\___/\
> / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx & http://aqfl.net > | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
> \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address if your e-mail was returned.
> ( )
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
> Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> current primary/gaming system on
> http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
>
> I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
>
> Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> due to weak EAX emulation).
>
> Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> etc.
>
> Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
> my system's age like DOOM 3,
Since you mentioned Doom 3, I thought you would like to see this.
> etc. I do not overclock and my
> setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
>
> Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
> --
>
> "Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
> subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
> "Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
> /\___/\
> / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx & http://aqfl.net > | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
> \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address if your e-mail was returned.
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Well, I am not ready to let go of this video card. I only had it for one year
and paid like $400 for it!! I think I can still get more FPS because my Athlon
2200+ XP is the bottleneck in getting more FPS.
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action John Hall <johnhall11@rogers.com> wrote:
> Seems to me like you have it nailed. Athlon 64, ASUS motherboard (I would > go for an Nforce3) Audigy 2. That's what I would pick. NVidia's Opengl > drivers are better according to some, so for a video card you may want to go > that route if you game in Linux.
> JK
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message > newsJmdnVpdlZX63dvcRVn-qw@mminternet.net...
> > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > current primary/gaming system on
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> >
> > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> >
> > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > due to weak EAX emulation).
> >
> > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > etc.
> >
> > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
> > my system's age like DOOM 3, Far Cry, etc. I do not overclock and my
> > setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> > upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
-- "Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
"Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx & http://aqfl.net | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address if your e-mail was returned.
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Yeah, I have seen that before. I wanted to get more confirmations from others.
It looks like AMD Athlon 64 will be my next CPU. Now, need to figure out the
motherboard brand and model. Any suggestions? I would like to get a stable
one that has been out more than 3-6 months so I can determine that it has
the known issues fixed, Debian's Kernel has the all the support, etc.
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action JK <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote:
> ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
> > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > current primary/gaming system on
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> >
> > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> >
> > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > due to weak EAX emulation).
> >
> > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > etc.
> >
> > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
> > my system's age like DOOM 3,
> Since you mentioned Doom 3, I thought you would like to see this.
> > etc. I do not overclock and my
> > setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> > upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
-- "Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
"Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx & http://aqfl.net | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address if your e-mail was returned.
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<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, I have seen that before. I wanted to get more confirmations from
others.
> It looks like AMD Athlon 64 will be my next CPU.
Be sure to go for a motherboard with the Socket 939 since this is the new
standard. The matching CPUs are somewhat more expensive since they just got
out, though..
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Hello,
I want to do the same things like you (changing motherboard, CPU and RAM).
I'm using Debian Sarge and XP. I think about an AMD Athlon 64 (socket 939)
with an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinium motherboard.
Best regards
Ralph
============================================================
Ralph Stens
email : ralph.stens@r-stens.de
============================================================
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ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
> Well, I am not ready to let go of this video card. I only had it for one year
> and paid like $400 for it!! I think I can still get more FPS because my Athlon
> 2200+ XP is the bottleneck in getting more FPS.
>
You should be aware then that there's no 64bit Linux driver for any ATi cards. There's only a basic 2d driver supplied with X.org.
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I just got a chaintech cheapie $75 bucks off Newegg, socket 754 (no problem
since when I upgrade its usually time for new Ram and MB options anyhow),
working fine....just...not sure I'd recommend using a single SATA drive as
your only HD option, I can't seem to get my Seagate SATA drive to act as the
boot device reliably.....
If you go Socket 939, you'll be paying big bucks....the boards and chips are
expensive...with the extra money you spend on 939 you could probably upgrade
to a 939 chip and MB in a years time by just sticking with some 754 parts
today, getting the most out of them, and upgrading when the time comes.
Otherwise, the Chaintech is an NForce 3-250 board and has all the tweaks you
could want to overclock with, etc. A great bargain board. There are other
great boards out there, the DFI Lanparty II I think is the current king, but
its brand new and pricy I think......
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
news:HLCdnVRf1I7rHNvcRVn-uw@mminternet.net...
> Yeah, I have seen that before. I wanted to get more confirmations from
others.
> It looks like AMD Athlon 64 will be my next CPU. Now, need to figure out
the
> motherboard brand and model. Any suggestions? I would like to get a stable
> one that has been out more than 3-6 months so I can determine that it has
> the known issues fixed, Debian's Kernel has the all the support, etc.
>
>
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action JK <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> > ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
>
> > > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I
am
> > > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > > current primary/gaming system on
> > > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> > >
> > > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU,
and
> > > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches
from
> > > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> > >
> > > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its
LiveDrive)
> > > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > > due to weak EAX emulation).
> > >
> > > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red
Hat
> > > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to
show
> > > my system's age like DOOM 3,
>
> > Since you mentioned Doom 3, I thought you would like to see this.
>
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=2149&p=7 >
> > > Far Cry,
>
> > > etc. I do not overclock and my
> > > setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> > > upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for
me.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
> -- > "Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
> subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
> "Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
> /\___/\
> / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx & http://aqfl.net > | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
> \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address if your e-mail was returned.
> ( )
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"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
>
> > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > current primary/gaming system on
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> >
> > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> >
> > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > due to weak EAX emulation).
> >
> > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > etc.
> >
> > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to
show
> > my system's age like DOOM 3,
>
> Since you mentioned Doom 3, I thought you would like to see this.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=2149&p=7
After carefully examining the numbers at the above link I have a few
observations.
First there is a huge price step up from the AMD Athlon 64 3000 + at
$205.00
to the next Athlon chip tested, the 3500 + at $347.00 . That's over a
hundred bucks for only 7 FPS increase
at 1280 X 1024 resolution. With that in mind, I might choose the cheaper AMD
chip as being
a good performance/cost option , but I'd still consider one of the P IV
based combos
in that price range depending on test results with other games, including
those still to be tested after
release, like HL2, for instance.
Also, thanks to the competition from AMD, Intel prices have dropped 25%.
That has yet to be reflected at retail level, but in the coming weeks it
should start to show up.
FWIW, my P-IV 3.0Ghz based system using a Radeon 9800 pro
gets a steady 60 FPS according to the timedemo I just ran.
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Michael Starke <mikestarke_remove_@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> > > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > > current primary/gaming system on
> > > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> > >
> > > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> > > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> > > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> > >
> > > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> > > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > > due to weak EAX emulation).
> > >
> > > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> > > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to
> show
> > > my system's age like DOOM 3,
> >
> > Since you mentioned Doom 3, I thought you would like to see this.
> >
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=2149&p=7
> After carefully examining the numbers at the above link I have a few
> observations.
> First there is a huge price step up from the AMD Athlon 64 3000 + at
> $205.00
> to the next Athlon chip tested, the 3500 + at $347.00 . That's over a
> hundred bucks for only 7 FPS increase
> at 1280 X 1024 resolution. With that in mind, I might choose the cheaper AMD
> chip as being
> a good performance/cost option , but I'd still consider one of the P IV
> based combos
> in that price range depending on test results with other games, including
> those still to be tested after
> release, like HL2, for instance.
> Also, thanks to the competition from AMD, Intel prices have dropped 25%.
> That has yet to be reflected at retail level, but in the coming weeks it
> should start to show up.
> FWIW, my P-IV 3.0Ghz based system using a Radeon 9800 pro
> gets a steady 60 FPS according to the timedemo I just ran.
What resolution and stuff? At 1152x864 resolution, High Quality setting
in DOOM 3, all details at maximum, anistropic at max, no FSAA, etc., I
get about 27 FPS according to timedemo. 29 on the second run due to
caching. This was on my current Athlon XP 2200+ system.
-- "Have I told you how much I like ants, huh? Especially fried in a
subtle blend of mech fluid and grated gears?" --Rampage to Inferno,
"Transmutate" in Transformers (Beast Wars)
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx & http://aqfl.net | |o o| | E-mail: philpi@earthlink.netANT or ANTant@zimage.com
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address if your e-mail was returned.
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Michael Starke wrote:
> "JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:414651B8.A44E8C1C@netscape.net...
> >
> >
> > ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> > > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > > current primary/gaming system on
> > > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> > >
> > > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> > > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> > > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> > >
> > > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> > > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > > due to weak EAX emulation).
> > >
> > > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> > > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to
> show
> > > my system's age like DOOM 3,
> >
> > Since you mentioned Doom 3, I thought you would like to see this.
> >
> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=2149&p=7 >
> After carefully examining the numbers at the above link I have a few
> observations.
>
> First there is a huge price step up from the AMD Athlon 64 3000 + at
> $205.00
More like $160 now.
>
> to the next Athlon chip tested, the 3500 + at $347.00 .
The have the Athlon 64 3400+ listed, which is around $280.
> That's over a
> hundred bucks for only 7 FPS increase
> at 1280 X 1024 resolution.
The 1280x1024 numbers show less difference than the 800x 600
for as a faster Athlon 64 is used, as the video card is starting to
become the limiting factor.
> , but I'd still consider one of the P IV
> based combos
> in that price range depending on test results with other games, including
> those still to be tested after
> release, like HL2, for instance.
>
> Also, thanks to the competition from AMD, Intel prices have dropped 25%.
> That has yet to be reflected at retail level, but in the coming weeks it
> should start to show up.
>
> FWIW, my P-IV 3.0Ghz based system using a Radeon 9800 pro
> gets a steady 60 FPS according to the timedemo I just ran.
>
> mjs
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/theageofreason
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<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
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> Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> current primary/gaming system on
> http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
>
> I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
>
> Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> due to weak EAX emulation).
>
> Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> etc.
>
> Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
> my system's age like DOOM 3, Far Cry, etc. I do not overclock and my
> setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
>
> Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
While AMD-64 is really nifty, especially for server class applications, it's
not really accessible yet to most game software. So the clock speed winds up
dominating a lot of that performance. For this year at least, consider using
Xeon's on a dual-CPU capable board and add the second CPU later if you need
it.
Hyperthreading on CPU's is useful for some applications, but also still
over-vaunted.
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
> newsJmdnVpdlZX63dvcRVn-qw@mminternet.net...
> > Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
> > going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my
> > current primary/gaming system on
> > http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfa [...] puters.txt ...
> >
> > I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
> > motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
> > an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
> > reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming
> > system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff
> > which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
> >
> > Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
> > to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not
> > due to weak EAX emulation).
> >
> > Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
> > Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET,
> > etc.
> >
> > Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
> > my system's age like DOOM 3, Far Cry, etc. I do not overclock and my
> > setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak,
> > upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
>
> While AMD-64 is really nifty, especially for server class applications, it's
> not really accessible yet to most game software.
What? The Athlon 64 does a great job of running 32 bit software. The integrated
memory controller(s) help provide great gaming performance.
> So the clock speed winds up dominating a lot of that performance.
Very funny. Clock speed is meaningless, unless you are comparing
otherwise identical chips. Architecture is what is important. Notice
that a $160 Athlon 64 3000+ beats an $820 Pentium 4 EE 3.2 ghz
running Doom 3.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:50:47 -0500, ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
>
>Hello. I am planning to upgrade my computer system in a few weeks. I am
>going to replace its motherboard, CPU, and memory. You can view my >current primary/gaming system on >http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt ...
>
>I am planning to keep all my old parts except sound card, RAM, CPU, and
>motherboard. Now, the question is which CPU and which motherboard (was
>an ASUS person in the past) do I want to get. From brief researches from
>reading benchmarks, AMD Athlon64 seems like a good choice for a gaming >system. I read that Intel P4 CPUs does a better job with video stuff >which I rarely do (mostly cropping and encoding with DivX).
>
>Also, I plan to replace my old SB Live! Platinum (without its LiveDrive)
>to an Audigy2 (good EAX) or maybe a M-Audio Revolutions (probably not >due to weak EAX emulation).
>
>Also, I will be installing Debian with Windows XP Pro to replace Red Hat
>Linux 7.2. Yes, I do game in Linux with old games like Q3A, RTCW, ET, >etc.
>
>Mainly, this upgrade is for gaming. The newest games are starting to show
>my system's age like DOOM 3, Far Cry, etc. I do not overclock and my
>setup must be able to survive in a 85+ degrees(F) room (AC is weak, >upstair room, and Southern CA's heat waves). Heat is a big issue for me.
>
>Any suggestions on what I should get for my upgrade is welcomed.
Given your requirements I would say that the Athlon64 is the clear
choice. The bang for your buck in games is far better than what Intel
has to offer. Other than that it's mainly just a question of how much
money you have to spend on what parts. The video card you've got is
already quite good and the other components all look like they'll be
up to the task.
About the only trick that you might run into is that many new
motherboards only come with 2 IDE controllers, enough for 4 devices.
It looks like your system has 5 IDE devices. Often the extra parallel
IDE connectors have been dropped in favor of Serial ATA ones, though
there are at least a few boards less with 3 IDE controllers (I know
Asus' A8V Deluxe has them).
Switching one (or more) of the hard drives to SATA would be another
solution, though here you have to watch out for driver support in
Linux which is still a bit weak.
Other than that, I'd say you're on the right path. Even the heat
thing should be a tiny bit better for the Athlon64 with it's "Cool 'n
Quiet" technology and lower maximum power consumption when compared to
the P4.
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