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Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over [...] tag=st.pop

Yousuf Khan

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On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>
> Yousuf Khan

Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).

RM

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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:53:43 -0500, Robert Myers wrote:

> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>>
>> Yousuf Khan
>
> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).
>
> RM

OK let me get this straight, out is good, in is bad!

Last I heard Martha hired a personal chef to cook for her when she gets
out, how would you like that job! Now thats a good thing! rofl.
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xm [...] top%20chef

What ever happened to the saying, in like Flint!

I was surprised that this did not happen sooner, I also wonder how long
the product life for parts is at Dell. I mean can you still get parts for
certain models over three years old. I bet a lot of businesses are having
problems, regret their purchase.

When I am near my local University, I sometimes walk through their
computer centers, and I see lots of systems down for repairs, most are
Dells. I bet they do not like the techs/students lab assistants, to dig
into their machines,due to contract issues, other such stuff. Does Dell
still use their own funky, power supply that only work with their
hardware. I know at one time people were trying to take motherboards out
of Dells use them in their own system, but could not due to power supply
wiring issues.

Gnu_Raiz

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:38:21 -0600, Gnu_Raiz
<Gnu_Raiz@uptime.notlost.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:53:43 -0500, Robert Myers wrote:
>
>> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>>>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>>>
>>> Yousuf Khan
>>
>> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).
>>
>> RM
>
>OK let me get this straight, out is good, in is bad!
>
>Last I heard Martha hired a personal chef to cook for her when she gets
>out, how would you like that job! Now thats a good thing! rofl.
>http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/stewart%20lines%20up%20top%20chef
>
>What ever happened to the saying, in like Flint!
>
>I was surprised that this did not happen sooner, I also wonder how long
>the product life for parts is at Dell. I mean can you still get parts for
>certain models over three years old. I bet a lot of businesses are having
>problems, regret their purchase.

The problem is that the only real alternative for large business is
HPaq, and it's not like that's an improvement! I'm actually surprised
that it's JUST Dell that they're going after, since HP and Dell are
kinda reminiscent of the US government system of two parties that are
really just the same thing :>

>When I am near my local University, I sometimes walk through their
>computer centers, and I see lots of systems down for repairs, most are
>Dells. I bet they do not like the techs/students lab assistants, to dig
>into their machines,due to contract issues, other such stuff. Does Dell
>still use their own funky, power supply that only work with their
>hardware. I know at one time people were trying to take motherboards out
>of Dells use them in their own system, but could not due to power supply
>wiring issues.

Funky power supplies are pretty much the norm for big OEMs, the trick
with Dells is that they were physically identical to standard ATX
supplies but where electrically different. Made it just too tempting
for people to try swapping out the board or power supply with a
standard one that just wouldn't work. With HPaq supplies, for
example, they are still non-standard, but at least you KNOW that they
are non-standard since they won't fit into an ATX connector without
the use of a decently large hammer.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:38:21 -0600, Gnu_Raiz
<Gnu_Raiz@uptime.notlost.net> wrote:

> I know at one time people were trying to take motherboards out
>of Dells use them in their own system, but could not due to power supply
>wiring issues.

Some stores sell adapters that get around that issue.

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:42:01 -0500, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:38:21 -0600, Gnu_Raiz
><Gnu_Raiz@uptime.notlost.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:53:43 -0500, Robert Myers wrote:
>>
>>> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>>>>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>>>>
>>>> Yousuf Khan
>>>
>>> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).
>>>
>>> RM
>>
>>OK let me get this straight, out is good, in is bad!
>>
>>Last I heard Martha hired a personal chef to cook for her when she gets
>>out, how would you like that job! Now thats a good thing! rofl.
>>http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/stewart%20lines%20up%20top%20chef
>>
>>What ever happened to the saying, in like Flint!
>>
>>I was surprised that this did not happen sooner, I also wonder how long
>>the product life for parts is at Dell. I mean can you still get parts for
>>certain models over three years old. I bet a lot of businesses are having
>>problems, regret their purchase.
>
>The problem is that the only real alternative for large business is
>HPaq, and it's not like that's an improvement! I'm actually surprised
>that it's JUST Dell that they're going after, since HP and Dell are
>kinda reminiscent of the US government system of two parties that are
>really just the same thing :>
>
>>When I am near my local University, I sometimes walk through their
>>computer centers, and I see lots of systems down for repairs, most are
>>Dells. I bet they do not like the techs/students lab assistants, to dig
>>into their machines,due to contract issues, other such stuff. Does Dell
>>still use their own funky, power supply that only work with their
>>hardware. I know at one time people were trying to take motherboards out
>>of Dells use them in their own system, but could not due to power supply
>>wiring issues.
>
>Funky power supplies are pretty much the norm for big OEMs, the trick
>with Dells is that they were physically identical to standard ATX
>supplies but where electrically different. Made it just too tempting
>for people to try swapping out the board or power supply with a
>standard one that just wouldn't work. With HPaq supplies, for
>example, they are still non-standard, but at least you KNOW that they
>are non-standard since they won't fit into an ATX connector without
>the use of a decently large hammer.

So the HPaq connector has different keying for the connector? Is this
something that HP learned from Compaq? I remember the old proprietary
keyboard conectors that Compaq used to have - what a rip-off. All the same
I'd have thought both Dell and HPaq would have the same wires with the same
power and ground connections... just in a different order. In that case a
Molex pin extractor, and a used standard connector for the case of HPaq,
would be all you'd need to rearrange things to the standard order.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

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"Robert Myers" <rmyers1400@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:smts11hopm8ddsjeh33ub6hpvf10okuelt@4ax.com...
> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>
>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_
3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
> >
> > Yousuf Khan
>
> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).

There are criminal trials (such as the one Martha lost), and there are
civil suits (such as the one against Dell the company, not Mike the
chairman). Nobody goes to jail for losing a civil suit. Especially
if the losing party is a company. ;-)

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"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:camt11l4828sudqbm96a5jgud12q7flgpb@4ax.com...
>
> >I was surprised that this did not happen sooner, I also wonder how
long
> >the product life for parts is at Dell. I mean can you still get
parts for
> >certain models over three years old. I bet a lot of businesses are
having
> >problems, regret their purchase.
>
> The problem is that the only real alternative for large business is
> HPaq, and it's not like that's an improvement! I'm actually
surprised
> that it's JUST Dell that they're going after, since HP and Dell are
> kinda reminiscent of the US government system of two parties that
are
> really just the same thing :>

The Apple computer company is being sued in civil court (in the UK?)
for selling used parts and computers as new parts and computers. It
would appear the problem is endemic in the computer industry. If the
box has been opened, is the part/computer used??

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Robert Myers wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>>
>> Yousuf Khan
>
>
> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).

But can he turn an 8 by 12 jailcell into an ergonomic and aesthetic
tour-de-force? :-)

Yousuf Khan

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>>>>> "YKhan" == YKhan <yjkhan@gmail.com> writes:

YKhan> Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
YKhan> http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over [...] tag=st.pop

YKhan> Yousuf Khan


It was about time. My friend's son worked for dell in sales, and to
say the least dell has some very interesting sales techniques. I'm
sure other companies use them, but dell is very good at sales.

It still amazes me though that some folks believe everything sales
agent says ;-)). When they find out that have been taken for a ride,
they sue like hell ;-)).

I guess the next suite will be intel for hot chips!

Whatever.

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:44:57 GMT, "Felger Carbon" <fmsfnf@jfoops.net>
wrote:

>"Robert Myers" <rmyers1400@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:smts11hopm8ddsjeh33ub6hpvf10okuelt@4ax.com...
>> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>>
>>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_
>3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>> >
>> > Yousuf Khan
>>
>> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).
>
>There are criminal trials (such as the one Martha lost), and there are
>civil suits (such as the one against Dell the company, not Mike the
>chairman). Nobody goes to jail for losing a civil suit. Especially
>if the losing party is a company. ;-)
>

I hope you aren't so precise when someone tells a joke at a party,
Felger.

In any case, I'm beginning to wonder if you and that outlaw Michael
Dell don't belong to the same club. ;-).

RM

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:44:58 +0000, Felger Carbon wrote:

> "Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:camt11l4828sudqbm96a5jgud12q7flgpb@4ax.com...
>>
>> >I was surprised that this did not happen sooner, I also wonder how
> long
>> >the product life for parts is at Dell. I mean can you still get
> parts for
>> >certain models over three years old. I bet a lot of businesses are
> having
>> >problems, regret their purchase.
>>
>> The problem is that the only real alternative for large business is
>> HPaq, and it's not like that's an improvement! I'm actually
> surprised
>> that it's JUST Dell that they're going after, since HP and Dell are
>> kinda reminiscent of the US government system of two parties that
> are
>> really just the same thing :>
>
> The Apple computer company is being sued in civil court (in the UK?)
> for selling used parts and computers as new parts and computers. It
> would appear the problem is endemic in the computer industry. If the
> box has been opened, is the part/computer used??

There is usually a sticker on the system or disclaimer somewhere in the
documentation something on the order of "all components in this ______ are
new or equialent to new" to get around this "problem". I've seen these
"warnings" in automobiles, even. This isn't something strange amH,vil.
....well perhaps a little bad. ;-)

--
Keith

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:07:55 -0500, Robert Myers wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:44:57 GMT, "Felger Carbon" <fmsfnf@jfoops.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Robert Myers" <rmyers1400@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:smts11hopm8ddsjeh33ub6hpvf10okuelt@4ax.com...
>>> On 24 Feb 2005 07:04:43 -0800, "YKhan" <yjkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Dell sued over bait-and-switch charges | CNET News.com
>>>
>>>http://news.com.com/Dell+sued+over+bait-and-switch+charges/2100-1047_
>>3-5587443.html?tag=st.pop
>>> >
>>> > Yousuf Khan
>>>
>>> Martha Stewart out, Michael Dell in. ;-).
>>
>>There are criminal trials (such as the one Martha lost), and there are
>>civil suits (such as the one against Dell the company, not Mike the
>>chairman). Nobody goes to jail for losing a civil suit. Especially
>>if the losing party is a company. ;-)
>>
>
> I hope you aren't so precise when someone tells a joke at a party,
> Felger.
>
> In any case, I'm beginning to wonder if you and that outlaw Michael
> Dell don't belong to the same club. ;-).

Nah, Felger isn't Mike's type. Martha on the other hand...

--
Keith

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> Gnu_Raiz <Gnu_Raiz@uptime.notlost.net> wrote:

> What ever happened to the saying, in like Flint!

Actually, "In Like Flint" was a movie title, and
was a play on words from the real cliche, which was
"In like Flynn", referring to actor Eroll Flynn,
who had a bit of a reputation with the ladies, and
later managed to avoid successful prosecution for
events involving an underaged lass and his yatch.

Apparently the expression meant "sure to get lucky"
prior to the prosecution, and morphed to "and you'll
get away with it, even if illegal" afterwards.
Any number of web sites have more detail.

None of which has anything to do with Dell, which
is not a brand I buy or endorse when asked.

--
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http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com
NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.