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June 3, 2005 7:19:30 AM

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Hello,

I am looking for who are leading Processors (for PC and laptop) and
mother board manufacturers in the world. I would like to buy in bulk
for cheap price, please let me know. Appreciated.
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June 6, 2005 7:43:42 AM

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On 3 Jun 2005 03:19:30 -0700, santa19992000@yahoo.com wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I am looking for who are leading Processors (for PC and laptop) and
>mother board manufacturers in the world. I would like to buy in bulk
>for cheap price, please let me know. Appreciated.

The #1 processor manufacturer in the world for PC and laptop
processors is Intel, with roughly 80% of the desktop PC market and
roughly 90% of the laptop market. Second place in both markets is AMD
with the great bulk of the remaining marketshare. IBM also gets their
nose in there as a distant third (about 1-2% of the market) with the
chips they sell to Apple, but I don't think they are what you have in
mind. VIA and Transmeta are about the only other manufacturers I know
of for PC and laptop processors, but they each have less than 1% of
the marketshare.

FWIW though, none of these companies sell direct to buyers, and when
you talk about bulk, you're talking small peanuts. Intel sells direct
to MAJOR OEMs, ie Dell and HPaq, who buy on the order of 30-50 million
units a year. If you're looking at anything less than a million
processors a year, you definitely need to talk to a distributor rather
than the manufacturer directly. In fact, even for a million chips a
year Intel would probably send you to a distributor, though AMD might
lend an ear.

A similar story exists for motherboards, though there are more
companies producing them. The #1 and #2 manufacturers of desktop PC
motherboards are Asus and ECS, though I don't know which order they
are in at the moment. Gigabyte and MSI are also big. On the laptop
side Arima, Quanta and Compal dominate the market, but that's because
they make the entire laptops. These three companies are the
outsourced manufacturers for laptops for Dell, HPaq, Gateway, IBM and
others. Asus exists in this market too, but last I checked they were
a pretty distant competitor.

Again, none of these companies do much in the way of direct sales
unless you're a major OEM.


The long story short here is that you're asking the wrong question.
The real question you should be asking is NOT about the
manufacturer's, but rather who are the big DISTRIBUTERS you should be
contacting. I would suggesting looking up the name "Ingram Micro" as
a good starting point.

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Tony Hill
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June 6, 2005 8:08:35 AM

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Tony,

Thanks for youe e-mail. I would like to supply the desktop and laptop
for very cheap price to the third world countries like Bangladesh,
Srilanka, India, Pakistan and some other African countries. Brandded
ones are very expensive, that is why I am looking for non-branded ones,
I would like to buy in Bulk, I would like to provide one year warranty
with Linux like OS on to those PC's (by loading Linux can ssave some
manoy - basically they need these PC's for Internet connection).

Please correct me if I am wrong, what I would like to do is, I would
like to buy these Mother boards and then assemble them and sell it or
buy these desktops and laptops directly.


Please suggest me, the bottom line the price is very important, also I
would like to buy in bulk, this way even if I keep my margin very low,
I would like to sell it for very less price, in these countries, there
are lot of middle class faminies who can't afford for branded ones, I
am looking for cheap ones.

Thanks for your time.
Santa.
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June 6, 2005 6:26:30 PM

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On 6/6/2005 03:43, Tony Hill wrote:

> A similar story exists for motherboards, though there are more
> companies producing them. The #1 and #2 manufacturers of desktop PC
> motherboards are Asus and ECS,

Foxconn?

~Jason

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June 7, 2005 2:01:57 AM

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:26:30 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:

> On 6/6/2005 03:43, Tony Hill wrote:
>
>> A similar story exists for motherboards, though there are more
>> companies producing them. The #1 and #2 manufacturers of desktop PC
>> motherboards are Asus and ECS,
>
> Foxconn?

PCChips?

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June 7, 2005 5:29:57 PM

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On 6/6/2005 22:01, keith wrote:

> PCChips?

I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.

~Jason

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June 8, 2005 12:00:52 AM

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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:

> On 6/6/2005 22:01, keith wrote:
>
>> PCChips?
>
> I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.

There's a difference? BTW, PCChips *is* a leading motherboard
manufacturer, like it or not.

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June 8, 2005 4:27:45 AM

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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:00:52 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2005 22:01, keith wrote:
>>
>>> PCChips?
>>
>> I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.
>
>There's a difference? BTW, PCChips *is* a leading motherboard
>manufacturer, like it or not.

To the best of my knowledge, ALL of PCChips motherboards are
manufactured by ECS. I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
whole deal, it's sometimes hard to tell just which companies are
actually manufacturers and which outsource to a third-party for their
production.

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Anonymous
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June 8, 2005 6:43:20 AM

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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:27:45 -0400, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:00:52 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/6/2005 22:01, keith wrote:
>>>
>>>> PCChips?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.
>>
>>There's a difference? BTW, PCChips *is* a leading motherboard
>>manufacturer, like it or not.
>
>To the best of my knowledge, ALL of PCChips motherboards are
>manufactured by ECS. I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
>whole deal, it's sometimes hard to tell just which companies are
>actually manufacturers and which outsource to a third-party for their
>production.

Interesting info about Foxconn in this interview:
http://www.reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/article/...

"Foxconn -- which is all Taiwanese, except they’ve moved most of their
employees over to Beijing and Shenzhen -- is a city within a city. They had
35,000 employees there when I visited. Now there are double that number.
Rolls of sheet metal come in one end, and out the other side come every PC
you’ve ever seen, Playstations, cell phones. It’s state of the art by
anyone’s metrics, and it’s all automated and being done in a lights-out
mode."

And just preceding that: "The longest waiting list for a car in Beijing is
a Rolls Royce."

--
Rgds, George Macdonald
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June 8, 2005 5:15:20 PM

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On 6/7/2005 20:00, keith wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:


>> I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.
>
> There's a difference? BTW, PCChips *is* a leading motherboard
> manufacturer, like it or not.

Haha. Yea, they are pretty big.

~Jason

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June 8, 2005 5:16:54 PM

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On 6/8/2005 00:27, Tony Hill wrote:

> manufactured by ECS. I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
> whole deal,

Intel branded and--I'm pretty sure--Dell motherboards are made by them.
There's probably others as well.

~Jason

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June 9, 2005 1:56:35 AM

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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:27:45 -0400, Tony Hill wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:00:52 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/6/2005 22:01, keith wrote:
>>>
>>>> PCChips?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.
>>
>>There's a difference? BTW, PCChips *is* a leading motherboard
>>manufacturer, like it or not.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, ALL of PCChips motherboards are
> manufactured by ECS.

Are you sure it's not the other way around. Some years ago there were a
*hundred* board companies that all just repackaged PCChips boards. THe
word then was that they made the boards for a dozen or more of the "name
brands" too, though with different specs. ECS wouldn't surprise me either.

> I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
> whole deal, it's sometimes hard to tell just which companies are
> actually manufacturers and which outsource to a third-party for their
> production.

That is a fact! Many of the Taiwaneese/Chineese companies are so
incestuous that it would take a DNA test to tell who made what.

--
Keith
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June 9, 2005 3:16:04 AM

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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:56:35 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:27:45 -0400, Tony Hill wrote:
>> To the best of my knowledge, ALL of PCChips motherboards are
>> manufactured by ECS.
>
>Are you sure it's not the other way around. Some years ago there were a
>*hundred* board companies that all just repackaged PCChips boards. THe
>word then was that they made the boards for a dozen or more of the "name
>brands" too, though with different specs. ECS wouldn't surprise me either.
>
>> I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
>> whole deal, it's sometimes hard to tell just which companies are
>> actually manufacturers and which outsource to a third-party for their
>> production.
>
>That is a fact! Many of the Taiwaneese/Chineese companies are so
>incestuous that it would take a DNA test to tell who made what.

That's for sure, ECS and PCChips above are a perfect example of this!
As best as I can tell, ECS was the manufacturing arm, PCChips was a
sort of OEM sales arm and the dozens of brand names were the companies
that actually sold to retail. However where one company ended and the
other began was definitely more than a bit murky.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's more than a bit of
back-and-forth involved here too. ie PCChips does the design, hands
it off to ECS to manufacturer who then send them back to PCChips to
package before them come back to ECS (among many others) to be sold.

Foxconn, it would seem according to the other posts, is one of those
major behind-the-scenes manufacturers of boards (and other
electronics). There are a number of such companies in the
Taiwan/China market for whom most of us will have never have heard of
but we've probably got a couple dozen of their products in our houses.

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June 9, 2005 2:16:02 PM

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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:16:04 -0400, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:56:35 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:27:45 -0400, Tony Hill wrote:
>>> To the best of my knowledge, ALL of PCChips motherboards are
>>> manufactured by ECS.
>>
>>Are you sure it's not the other way around. Some years ago there were a
>>*hundred* board companies that all just repackaged PCChips boards. THe
>>word then was that they made the boards for a dozen or more of the "name
>>brands" too, though with different specs. ECS wouldn't surprise me either.
>>
>>> I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
>>> whole deal, it's sometimes hard to tell just which companies are
>>> actually manufacturers and which outsource to a third-party for their
>>> production.
>>
>>That is a fact! Many of the Taiwaneese/Chineese companies are so
>>incestuous that it would take a DNA test to tell who made what.
>
>That's for sure, ECS and PCChips above are a perfect example of this!
>As best as I can tell, ECS was the manufacturing arm, PCChips was a
>sort of OEM sales arm and the dozens of brand names were the companies
>that actually sold to retail. However where one company ended and the
>other began was definitely more than a bit murky.
>
>I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's more than a bit of
>back-and-forth involved here too. ie PCChips does the design, hands
>it off to ECS to manufacturer who then send them back to PCChips to
>package before them come back to ECS (among many others) to be sold.
>
>Foxconn, it would seem according to the other posts, is one of those
>major behind-the-scenes manufacturers of boards (and other
>electronics). There are a number of such companies in the
>Taiwan/China market for whom most of us will have never have heard of
>but we've probably got a couple dozen of their products in our houses.

Then there's Info-Tek http://www.itctwn.com.tw/. NewEgg uses their name
for a "brand" of video cards - I dunno why because the video card brand
name is GeCube and clearly printed on the packaging. Apparently there was
a spot of bother when the first name chosen by Info-Tek for the brand was
Giga-Cube - Gigabyte was very unhappy, though Info-Tek is reportedly a
shareholder in Gigabyte. At one point they claimed to be the holding
company of Gigabyte - sounds like there was a major fall-out at a
wedding/funeral/christening.:-)

--
Rgds, George Macdonald
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June 9, 2005 3:05:05 PM

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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:43:20 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:27:45 -0400, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:00:52 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:29:57 -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/6/2005 22:01, keith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PCChips?
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't foist one of their products on my worst enemy.
>>>
>>>There's a difference? BTW, PCChips *is* a leading motherboard
>>>manufacturer, like it or not.
>>
>>To the best of my knowledge, ALL of PCChips motherboards are
>>manufactured by ECS. I'm not quite sure where Foxconn fits into the
>>whole deal, it's sometimes hard to tell just which companies are
>>actually manufacturers and which outsource to a third-party for their
>>production.
>
> Interesting info about Foxconn in this interview:
> http://www.reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/article/...
>
> "Foxconn -- which is all Taiwanese, except they’ve moved most of their
> employees over to Beijing and Shenzhen -- is a city within a city. They had
> 35,000 employees there when I visited. Now there are double that number.
> Rolls of sheet metal come in one end, and out the other side come every PC
> you’ve ever seen, Playstations, cell phones. It’s state of the art by
> anyone’s metrics, and it’s all automated and being done in a lights-out
> mode."
>
> And just preceding that: "The longest waiting list for a car in Beijing is
> a Rolls Royce."

That makes a lot of sense, was'nt it a couple of months ago that all the
reviews sites had fab reviews out. One common thing that I noticed was
most did not make their own pcb's, the pcb's where all subcontracted out.
Most reviews had a picture of a gal, taken a pcb from a stack, then
running it down the line to install the components. I would'nt be
surprised if their was say only one manufacture making the pcb's such as
Foxconn/Hon Hai, maybe in a room, or vault some subcontractor has all the
designs for all the major manufacturers. When an order comes in they pull
the specialized die, or mask from the vault, check the quality add the
special dye for that brand, be it red, or purple or what not run the batch.

So I guess in the end they really do eat their own dog food, what it comes
down to is who has the best QA to test for defects, who has the best
designed boards. I would not be surprised to see some lines have the
exact same layout, only differ between components, and the name on the
board.

Maybe someone in the know about the pcb's can shed some light on who's dog
food flavor of the month and why.

Gnu_Raiz
June 10, 2005 12:33:38 PM

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Anyone interested in ordering these MBOs from high to low , quality,
performance, reliability wise

Usually one particular ( socket/processor/chipset/features) model will
be popular from a particular manufacturer and maybe each has a hit
product. What i am asking is, in general ?


* asus
* gigabyte
* msi
* ecs
* Aopen
* biostar
* Abit
* asrock
* shuttle
* soyo
* chaintech
* foxconn
* anything left out ? oh, Tyan, supermicro...

--alex
!